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Message 2036996 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 20:46:31 UTC - in response to Message 2036574.  


I have been proud to work on this project. I agree with an earlier poster that it would be very nice to have a Seti final certificate available that would be suitable for posting for those of us that wish to do so.
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Just make sure you visit the certificate page on March 31 or before the project closes this URL. Print out your Seti Contribution.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cert_print.php
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Message 2037003 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 21:20:04 UTC - in response to Message 2036989.  
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If what my computers have analyzed needs to be reanalyzed, then why isn't our computers doing it to help out?

that's the problem. and nobody will answer it.

Next processing stage requires access to whole database. So it can't be distributed.
We do first part that can be separated to many unlinked pieces. Next stage will link results of all those parts together.
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Message 2037006 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 21:28:29 UTC

BTW, if scientometrics plays same role in US universities as it became to play here SETI core team in big trouble for years already.
Publicational activity quite low so it could be hard to justify own places @US Berkeley staff. No matter how important research you do, if it provides low "scores" - you in trouble...
So, quite possible they really need to publish and spend whole time on papers preparation. Just because of those "external"reasons.
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Message 2037016 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 22:46:42 UTC

Sorry to see this day come, but it's expected, of course, nothing lasts forever.

I've been with Seti since the very beginning, first running on an 8086 IBM clone & a Hayes 300 baud modem. Were it not for SETI and wanting to get the most WU's done as possible, I would have never spent so many thousands of dollars on ever-faster computers over the years. I recently upgraded to the most powerful computer I have ever had & a video card that alone cost over a grand, just for the ability to do more WUs with SETI in mind, it's the only project I have that uses the GPU and I don't have one game on the computer.

Hopefully, you'll call on us in the future to embark on SETI II, I'll likely still have this computer & it'll be good for a long while.

Cheers from beyond the Rim & 73,

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Message 2037035 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 23:58:34 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

I signed up on 16 May 1999. Congratulations on creating such an interesting and worthwhile project. It's been interesting. Looking forward to what comes next.
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Message 2037037 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 0:08:16 UTC

I've been processing SETIWUs since 2004 so I am sad and disappointed. Will the search for extraterrestrial broadcasts end? Are there any other sites like SETI looking for intelligent life? I'm already participating in Milkyway, Einstein and Rosetta.
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Message 2037040 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 0:36:28 UTC
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I can just say this, not all areas of the sky has stars, a good amount is gas clouds and such in the areas being searched, so diminishing returns makes sense as it does below.

Plus hardware was mentioned as being needed and that meant donations of money was also needed.

Now I don't know how far anyone was from the goal of new hardware money wise and this is a project run on a shoestring so I can't comment on any money raised.

I will be here to crunch again when the call goes out that We are needed once again.

In the meantime lets crunch away and hope the paper(s) are successful in their intent.
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Message 2037046 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 0:58:54 UTC - in response to Message 2037040.  
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Please read this SETI@Home fundraising letter from Nov. 2019 only four months ago.

We continue to obtain raw data from Berkeley's Breakthrough Listen program. From Green Bank, we will be getting data from observations of galaxies and targets selected by the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) program. Parkes will soon be conducting a survey plane of our own Milky Way galaxy and we will be distributing those data as well.


In those four months, we went from that, to:

We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home for SETI or related areas like cosmology and pulsar research. If this happens, SETI@home will start distributing work again.


"other" = It won't be anyone from the SETI@Home team currently, so no continuation or succession. It won't be SETI@Home, in other words.
"We hope"/"if this happens" = No one's confirmed anything. Maybe no one's even been asked.

As far as "diminishing returns", unless someone has some inside info on when ET is calling, more observations can only improve our chances of finding anything. And we haven't even observed half the southern sky (which was what the Parkes data was supposed to do) as the lowest declination of the GBT is only -46° (Arecibo is only slightly steerable so is -1°, even being much further south.)
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Message 2037053 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 2:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 2037040.  

I believe I saw a post indicating over fifty thousand dollars were raised. Also indicated it was sufficient for the need.
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Message 2037064 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 4:38:37 UTC - in response to Message 2036977.  

"If I were the paranoid type I would probably think that the real reason for stopping was because we've known the ET's have been here for years and it's just silly to keep looking." Bingo.
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Message 2037084 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 9:04:19 UTC - in response to Message 2036117.  

I'm particapating with SETI@home since May 2003. I am very sad to hear that SETI@home will go in hibernaton soon.
At the moment I'm developing my own antenne array, so I can continue the search. I use dishes variating from diameter of 1 meter to 3 meters across. Also I will scan from 250MHz up to 16GHz.
Hope SETI@home will return soon.


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Message 2037088 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 9:43:54 UTC
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Thanks to the S@H team for the outstanding work. Not only on SETI, but also on BOINC. A lot of people are getting very upset about S@H being mothballed, which is understandable up to a point, although some of the posts here say more about the poster than about the project.

No hard thing can be got at directly. Fundamental science is not just about the headline question. Why? Often its byproducts end up as significant (e.g. Newton having to invent calculus to do celestial mechanics, CERN giving rise to HTTP or S@H giving rise to BOINC). Also, all science is incremental. Someday the S@H work will enable something else by being the shoulders someone else stands on. In fact, it already is.

The science isn't done yet. In a couple of centuries we'll have a better sense of how far we've got, if we're still around. To help make sure we're still around, crunch other projects (join Science United to give smaller projects a chance), join the Long Now Foundation, get involved in Effective Altruism.
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Message 2037100 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 12:49:32 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

Hello, thank you for this exciting project. I have been there since May 1999, the whole 20 years, and have done my best to support you.
I am a little disappointed that it is over, but I think (as you wrote it) it has done a lot for networked computing.
Greetings to the whole team and thank you for letting me be there.
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Message 2037104 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:55:17 UTC - in response to Message 2037080.  
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First, we were all erroneously lied to in this email,
From Jeff
At the time it was written it was genuinely believed to be correct.


So what changed? The hibernation announcement doesn't seem to address that. It just expresses an almost 180 degree point of view.

I think the simplest explanation is that highly skilled and educated scientists got sick of playing IT support.

Completely untrue. Why do you think the Servers were all moved downhill to the CoLo, in the town. So that their staff had a supply of hot swap disks to provide IT support.


Well, the number 2 reason in the hibernation announcement was "It's a lot of work for us to manage the distributed processing of data. We need to focus on completing the back-end analysis of the results we already have..." so this seems somewhat contradictory.

I see in the link you posted that funding is another reason given. It doesn't seem like they really wanted to try to overcome that though as it's not as if they put out a call for help. I imagine they could have raised a lot of money if they had brought up the possibility of a shut down. People don't always realize how much on the edge such a project is until something like that happens. So I guess it comes down really to a matter of time. Something they thought they could deal with a few months ago but not as they got a little more into post processing work.

Don't get me wrong, seti@home doesn't owe me anything and I certainly don't think anybody was intentionally lying about anything. It just seems like there was a fairly sudden change of heart with the only real reason given is that there isn't enough time to continue to support seti@home as it is today and work on further back end analysis of the data (which apparently wasn't an issue a few months ago). People who have been participating for the last couple of decades are obviously disappointed and are generally unsatisfied with the relatively sudden and rather terse announcement that it's ending (at least the distributed part). But then some people would never be satisfied. I will miss seti@home greatly but I've been participating in other projects as well for a long, long time so I'll move on. Hopefully, it will return again one day and this truly is just a "hibernation".
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Message 2037107 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

The years of work on seven computers in my office and home has provided a substantial amount of input and assessments.
The search of the universe and worlds for possible other species through Seti is very, very, very, important and helpful for
us to discover if we actually exist with other high functioning species.
Clearly this should continue to find other worlds with other species.

PLEASE KEEP THIS UP AND RUNNING SO WE CAN SEARCH THE WORLDS.

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Message 2037110 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 15:03:13 UTC

Somebody (all of us) needs to take Dr. Korpela and all the Seti@Home staff out to a really nice dinner and celebrate the wonderful contributions to Seti@Home over the years.

21 years...INCREDIBLE RUN!
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Message 2037125 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 17:23:07 UTC

The sad news hit me like a bucket of cold water. SETI@home has been a part of my life for over twenty years. The statement that SETI@home is going to hibernation (it sounds to me as a Noble lie) doesn’t help with the pain.

I joined the project just at the start of the new century. I remember crunching data work units with a budget computer and a 56k modem (phone bills were of this size).

Despite modest results (it is a result too) today after all those years and several computers burned I continue enjoy it as I did the first day 20 years ago hoping to hear someday a WOW! Signal.

SETI@home is a unique scientific project like no other with the ability to attract millions of non-scientific people from all over the globe with the hope of helping to find intelligence out there. Really a social phenomenon.

I can’t understand why end a project pioneer on Distributed Computing that have achieved a huge computing capabilities and millions of enthusiast volunteers in a time of cheap and high performance personal computer hardware. In a time where advances on radio communications have boosted as never before radio astronomy.

Anyway thank you to the SETI@home team for making us dream throughout all these years.

Farewell SETI@home.
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Message 2037127 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 17:48:57 UTC

Somebody (all of us) needs to take Dr. Korpela and all the Seti@Home staff out to a really nice dinner and celebrate the wonderful contributions to Seti@Home over the years.


Send them coupons for Cheeseburgers. I read once 'bout their liking of cheeseburgers.

'specially if they haz coupons.

Part-time monies is GOoD, REAL GOoD, however who don't like a discount?

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Message 2037130 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 17:56:02 UTC

If we all shout Encore! Encore! then the project is obliged to keep going for at least a couple more years.
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Message 2037136 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 18:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 2035181.  

Aborted all tasks too, and it's a dead end to talk about "start distributing work again". I was a member just for 5 years but ending this project in that way? Good luck seti@home team.
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