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![]() Send message Joined: 28 Nov 02 Posts: 5126 Credit: 276,046,078 RAC: 462 ![]() |
Lately most of our data has been sourced from the Breakthrough Listen initiative. All of its raw data is publicly available and can be downloaded here for anyone to analyze. What kind of development effort would we need to be able to do that? Or if we setup a "mini-Seti@Home server(s)" on VM's would we be able to process data on the regular S@H apps? Tom A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association). |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
... if we setup a "mini-Seti@Home server(s)" on VM's would we be able to process data on the regular S@H apps?Yes. Provided you set up your own radar blankers, splitters, and validators too. Plus a workunit database to keep track of the jobs you've created, and a science database to keep track of what you find. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 30 Aug 99 Posts: 4 Credit: 15,490,000 RAC: 78 ![]() ![]() |
This is what I sent to my team, thought I'd share... To the members of the How Stuff Works SETI team... I was one of the earliest members to join this team. I saw the explainer about SETI@Home on the original How Stuff Works website back when it was still written by Marshall Brain. I loved the site, I loved the promise of what SETI was doing and Immediately jumped at the opportunity to help. Over the last nearly 2 decades every computer I have ever owned (and several I built for others) has run SETI@Home. Our group has produced so much good work that we are as a group ranked 620 out of all 64,000 SETI teams worldwide! THE TOP 1%!! An exceptional achievement! Although the project is going on an indefinite hiatus this does not minimize or undermine the efforts of this team and every other SETI user. The SETI project has more data from our analises than they know what to do with. In fact the reason for the shutdown is actually because we helped them reach their goals not just faster than they expected but faster than they could handle. It is entirely possible that the holy grail of this project may have already been uncovered in the data but is still years away from validation! We may have already found proof of alien life, we just don't know it yet. As this month closes out and SETI ends a new door opens into exciting new science, research and analysis of everything we have collected. I'm sad to see project this go as many of you are but I'm sure that future opportunities will present themselves to help the SETI project. I also encourage you all to look to other BIONIC projects where you can donate your spare CPU cycles for things like Cancer and Drug research or other astronomy based efforts, there are many great causes out there to contribute to. Although Mr. Brain has not been active in this group for over a decade I'm sure he would be as surprised and proud of everything that has been accomplished here as I am. Thank you again for your contributions! With Gratitude, Ariel Williams |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Aug 03 Posts: 36 Credit: 78,247,091 RAC: 46 ![]() ![]() |
seti work distribution may comes to a halt... ...but the music from the stars will never stop =3 meowsic meoweow! keep watching the stars... '^ ^ |
Cavalary Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 104 Credit: 7,507,548 RAC: 38 ![]() ![]() |
Thing is that for many of us here this was never a science project, instead this was a two decade journey of faith. [...] Pulling the plug on the received data like yuo just did may make scientific sense, but it has the emotional intelligence of a Honey Badger. [...] Throw us a better bone than this miserable announcement please. I realize that strictly speaking this is not your problem, but right now and after dating us for two decades I feel like you broke up with us using a text message. To conclude, I hate this... Well put! |
msrnla Send message Joined: 3 Dec 99 Posts: 10 Credit: 1,744,353 RAC: 51 ![]() ![]() |
After20+ years and countless computers (OK they can be counted) my time was not waisted. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 8 Jul 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 3,374,897 RAC: 3 ![]() |
I've been running seti for a long time. Really sad to see it go into hibernation. Seems like I'm losing an old friend. |
![]() Send message Joined: 8 Jul 99 Posts: 3 Credit: 1,330,925 RAC: 3 ![]() |
Been here a long time, over 20+ years and will miss looking every day but will look forward to starting back up. |
![]() Send message Joined: 28 Aug 05 Posts: 1 Credit: 300,968 RAC: 5 ![]() |
Sooooo much Computing power over the years --- Wow! |
J Rat Send message Joined: 2 May 00 Posts: 1 Credit: 20,275,528 RAC: 66 ![]() ![]() |
I am very unhappy the search is ending. I do have a question. You stated you have "analyzed all the data we need for now", but you also state "We need to focus on completing the back-end analysis of the results we already have, and writing this up in a scientific journal paper". So did you find anything and will you tell us where we can read your paper? |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3835 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 ![]() ![]() |
So did you find anything and will you tell us where we can read your paper? We won't know if there are any findings until the Nebula analysis is completed, which we don't have a timeframe for either as it's still in development. I wouldn't expect anything for a few months at least. The resulting paper will definitely be made public; I'm pretty sure that this was already directly indicated by someone on the team who could make such a pronouncement; don't have the link handy though. ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11449 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 ![]() ![]() |
I am very unhappy the search is ending. Now the real science begins in earnest, Data collection has ended for the time being but looking at what has been done for the last 20 yrs plus is the object of this exercise. |
xe1ici Send message Joined: 9 Jan 19 Posts: 7 Credit: 16,535 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Bueno pues NADA ES PARA SIEMPRE !! |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 10 Nov 13 Posts: 8 Credit: 4,428,971 RAC: 18 ![]() ![]() |
Being a complete layman in this field I am not entirely sure I'll be able to understand the answer to my own question ;-) but I'll ask it anyway: What about Breakthrough Listen? In my mind, the fact that BL data was now being processed by SETI@home seemed a strong indication that the project would last much longer in its present form. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Being a complete layman in this field I am not entirely sure I'll be able to understand the answer to my own question ;-) but I'll ask it anyway: What about Breakthrough Listen? In my mind, the fact that BL data was now being processed by SETI@home seemed a strong indication that the project would last much longer in its present form.That's a very good question, and I doubt anyone here knows the answer. People sometimes complain that the SETI@Home project has been taciturn over the years, slow to tell us what they're doing: but in comparison, Breakthrough Listen is positively Trappist. The most recent item on the Breakthrough Listen news feed talks about making more data available for other people to process, but is silent on who might be doing that processing. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
They collect, we process... but the analyse part stalls with Nebula... As I understand, main reason for hibernation is to finish Nebula and get results finally. "Results" that our computers return not real results in sense "yes, we found ET signal", they should be aggregated and summarized some way - that step Nebula should do. And to summarize them access to whole database of reported "signals"(in sense S@h client) required - that prevents DC-style of processing and limits our involvement in that stage. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Yes, it's a three - no, four - stage pipeline: collect, process, analyse, publish. But if any one link in the chain is broken, the entire chain is useless. Up until now, the broken link has been the analysis. Now, we're proposing to break the processing link, to repair the analysis link. So there won't be anything more to analyse in future, despite the collection continuing at an ever-increasing pace. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
Yes, it's a three - no, four - stage pipeline: collect, process, analyse, publish. Yep, "least of evil"-kind of decision - can't be really good.... Until SETI staff increased (I would say increase should be twice approx, at least 2 new persons with solid education in corresponding field and few graduates) it seems this inevitable... SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 10 Nov 13 Posts: 8 Credit: 4,428,971 RAC: 18 ![]() ![]() |
To my utter amazement I seem to grasp the general idea. I have a much clearer view of the whole process now. Thank you very much to you all! |
![]() Send message Joined: 21 Dec 03 Posts: 1 Credit: 720,227 RAC: 14 ![]() ![]() |
This saddens me greatly =[ |
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