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Message 2037407 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 0:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 2037379.  

You do more of the same thing and get fewer rewards.


We would have to go from finding zero extraterrestrial signals to some negative number. :^)
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Message 2037424 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 1:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 2037414.  

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Hehe, the result: We just found -10 ET's :-)


Perhaps ET exists or conveys their messages in the dark matter realm. - or + 80% more likely.
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Message 2037436 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 1:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 2037370.  
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What is meant by "diminishing returns"?


Sometimes it means the inability to see changes with an invigorated perspective or with fresh eyes.

It's not always about the numbers.

I see in this thread a lot of people who don't post much but contribute massively.

All have come to say that SETI is not a diminishing return but a living value.

After all what is the point in finding ET if we don't care or have no vested interest in growing and exploring the new.

SETI crunchers, their inputs, willingness to pay their way and this forum's members are all a positive return.

I hope the bosses of this project realise this potential and find a way of keeping us together and crunching for SETI.

After all SETI can crunch anything related to ET not just archain radio signals.

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Message 2037452 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 3:04:22 UTC

Dear Crew, With the advent of the ending of SETI Data crunching my computer ( small and meager as it is ) is now free since 2002, I have been crunching continuously for 18 years. I am seeking suggestions of which one of the many BIONIC projects needs our help the most, or which has the most significance socially or scientifically? Thanks again. Blanchjoe
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Message 2037471 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 6:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  
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Will you consider increasing or even removing deadlines to finish all WU's? There will be no more WU's after March 31st however the WU's we already have may reach the deadline after then and we can't finish them.
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Message 2037473 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:39:09 UTC - in response to Message 2037471.  

Will you consider increasing or even removing deadlines to finish all WU's? There will be no more WU's after March 31st however the WU's we already have may reach the deadline after then and we can't finish them.
The servers will still be running to accept completed work, and resends will still be sent out to clear existing Work Units, but no new Work Units will be split & sent out.
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Message 2037476 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 8:03:57 UTC - in response to Message 2037473.  

The end of SETI@home was mentioned on this week’s Micah Hanks show. (Formerly, the Gralien Report, via KGRA.)

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/gralien-report/the-gralien-report
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Message 2037480 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 9:10:53 UTC

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Message 2037488 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 9:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 2035941.  

UNLV here has some (or had? believe they still do) some supercomputers locally at a Switch Network center. Wonder if that is ever feasible for helping sift through the collected data?

What if the client was retooled to process all this data (assuming we've just done one form of processing) Would that lower time needed to crunch it all?

Complete layman here, fully respect much of this is above my 5th grade education. Apologies for any dumb questions
Historian for the Defunct Riviera Hotel and Casino, Former Classic Seti@home user for Team Art Bell. Greetings from the High Desert!
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Message 2037494 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 10:01:27 UTC - in response to Message 2036092.  

Art Bell got me started in this more then a decade ago now (turn of the century) and it was a HP Pavilion 8276 (300 mhz PII, 48 then 256 mb of ram) that started it all. IT job in 04-05 saw me able to run it on some pc's (and even got it onto some images sent out of the office, but it was touchy and flaky with the cpu utilization so I couldn't do that anymore. heh heh)

Jumped to einstein and joined that Art Bell team. even though he is gone now, can't bring myself to start my own team in honor of a defunct casino or join any others. Hopefully he is enjoying any answers about questions he had. Lucky ba*tard, he has them before I do...
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Message 2037521 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 11:34:15 UTC - in response to Message 2037482.  

In fact, an advanced ET race is more likely to find us first than us them. What happens when that occurs and they say take us to your leader? Er, um,. sorry guv, we ain't got one! United nations? Rather not think so. Trump, Putin? Lord help us.

Hardly more advanced civilization will have desire to speak with current officials.
More probably some kind of progressors (look for Arkady and Boris Strugatsky SiFi books regarding this concept) will be sent.
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We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
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Message 2037542 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 14:02:32 UTC

I am curious if the staff is planning to have all the old tapes to be at least in que, to be repossessed and completed so that if a restart is ever done all is nice and tidy?
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Message 2037557 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 16:43:25 UTC

As a member of the Seti@home project for more than 20 years now, i'm very sad to see it going to "hibernation".
However, we all knew that this (long time) project must come to an end (as well as all other projects) : that's the basic description of a project, it has a start date and a finishing date.
On the other side "hibernation" gives us some hope for a future "resurection". I only hope we won't have to wait too long...

The Seti Belgium Team and I are waiting news from the results. Until there, we wish you all the best and say Goodbye.
Live long and prosper !
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Message 2037565 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 17:16:38 UTC - in response to Message 2037494.  

Art Bell got me started in this more then a decade ago now (turn of the century) and it was a HP Pavilion 8276 (300 mhz PII, 48 then 256 mb of ram) that started it all. IT job in 04-05 saw me able to run it on some pc's (and even got it onto some images sent out of the office, but it was touchy and flaky with the cpu utilization so I couldn't do that anymore. heh heh)


My first computer to participate in seti@home was also a 300 MHz Pentium II but from Gateway 2000. I believe it had 160 MB RAM at the time. I think I installed it on my older 486 DX2-66 (also a Gateway 2000 machine) too though. After that it was Duron->multiple Athlon XPs->Athlon 64->Athlon 64x2->Phenom->multiple Phenom IIs->an Athlon FX or 2->Core i7-> a couple of Ryzens... As my main machines anyway. There were also numerous mobile processors starting with a mobile PIII. Then there were lots of other secondary machines along the way... a couple of Pentium IIIs, a couple of original Penium MMXs, some Power PC based Macs (a couple of Intel ones too), a couple of Opterons and probably plenty of others I have forgotten. Then there are the Android based tablets and phones too. And of course the GPUs. I think I started with something like an Nvidia 8600 something or other up to a 1080 today.
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Message 2037566 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 17:18:10 UTC

From the Wikipedia seti@home entry:

"Astronomer Seth Shostak stated in 2004 that he expects to get a conclusive signal and proof of alien contact between 2020 and 2025, based on the Drake equation.[14] This implies that a prolonged effort may benefit SETI@home, despite its (present) twenty-year run without success in ETI detection."

Sounds to me like we need to put off hibernation for at least another 5 years... :)
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Message 2037573 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 17:52:02 UTC - in response to Message 2037566.  
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I still cling to the faint glimmer of a foolishly optimistic hope (as I have nothing else right now) that should the Nebula run not find anything, that the project will indeed come back to life, hopefully with refreshed long-term goals and funding/staffing requirements to keep it going.

As noted earlier, we haven't even touched a quarter of the sky due to the declination limitations of the two radio telescopes SETI@Home has used so far, as Parkes was never brought online. We have zero possible idea of when we're going to find that signal or signals (multiples still are required to even qualify) so more observations can only improve our chances. And there's no time like the present with computers thousands of times faster than the clunkers we started with twenty years ago to sift all that data.

We're also 10x more sensitive than the real-time BL analysis. Assuming strict inverse-square, that means we could detect a signal from about 3.2x further away, which by volume would be about 33x the number of star systems assuming an even distribution. This is the slower but better "quality vs. quantity" search which I think has a better chance... if, and only if, we keep listening!
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Message 2037587 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 19:18:07 UTC - in response to Message 2037584.  
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Unfortunately, it's even more complex than that. If you read his blog, he goes into giving criteria on what he would want to look for but not sure of how he would actually write the program (don't get me wrong, I don't have a clue either) but sounds like there are lots of obstacles that need to be overcome before they can ever start to look at the data.
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Message 2037601 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 20:14:10 UTC - in response to Message 2035770.  
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Say it isn't so

of course

....
We have found definitely something around the 14th-end of December of every year, at least.
If it is Santa Claus or Torchwood or Dr.Who's spaceship we cannot know until the final demo expo of results at home... :D
C-U back
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Message 2037614 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 21:14:28 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

no! so sad
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Message 2037615 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 21:22:50 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

I have been very happy to be contributing to SETI@Home for 20 years. Thank you very much.
I look forward to further project.

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