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Message 2035192 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 21:47:18 UTC - in response to Message 2035085.  

If they do that, I hope they give us enough notice to switch to backup projects, and flush through all cached tasks before the outage starts - so we don't start filling the new database with crud as soon as it comes back online.

And I hope two more things as well:
1) I hope setizens do something similar, rather than trying to grab oodles of work before the outage starts.

Hehe, as if that will happen. The moment the news of a long outage hits officially, that's the moment the credit hounds will up all the caches they can.
And many client spoofers will up the GPU numbers to the max too.


. . Does this mean you will have to change your nick to the Smug Swede? Since you should no longer be grumpy. There will be much rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth now. And the local pubs will do a roaring trade ....

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Message 2035194 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 21:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 2035180.  

Since seti@home is shutting down at the end of March the points raised in this thread is moot.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267#2035179


. . Very sadly, very true ...

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Message 2035196 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 21:51:07 UTC

Now I will have to find a new project to coexist with Einstein.
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Message 2035233 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 22:28:28 UTC - in response to Message 2035196.  

Now I will have to find a new project to coexist with Einstein.

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Message 2035235 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 22:29:25 UTC
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Perfect timming, just when we finish the new unlimited spoofed client with CPU & GPU capacity... LOL
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Message 2035239 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 22:33:30 UTC

That's OK - it should work equally as well at Einstein & Milky Way
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Message 2035249 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 22:40:03 UTC - in response to Message 2035194.  

Since seti@home is shutting down at the end of March the points raised in this thread is moot.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267#2035179


. . Very sadly, very true ...

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I'm just 2 months away from 20 years...it has been a good and fun run.
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Message 2035250 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 22:41:12 UTC - in response to Message 2035244.  
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Perfect timming, just when we finish the new unlimited spoofed client with CPU & GPU capacity... LOL

You still have a month to kill the DB thoroughly with that unlimited spoofed client. Download a million tasks by all means :-(

By your command! I will try to do my best!

Ops... for a million WU cache i will need a lot bigger SSD.
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Message 2035298 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 23:55:04 UTC - in response to Message 2035235.  

Perfect timming, just when we finish the new unlimited spoofed client with CPU & GPU capacity... LOL


Hence my belief in Murphy's Law ... :(

It's been fun guys ...

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Message 2035300 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 23:57:17 UTC - in response to Message 2035249.  

Since seti@home is shutting down at the end of March the points raised in this thread is moot.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267#2035179


. . Very sadly, very true ...

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I'm just 2 months away from 20 years...it has been a good and fun run.


. . Hey I'm a friendly guy, I'll spot you that month, consider it a gimme ... :)

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Message 2035303 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 0:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 2035250.  
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Perfect timming, just when we finish the new unlimited spoofed client with CPU & GPU capacity... LOL

You still have a month to kill the DB thoroughly with that unlimited spoofed client. Download a million tasks by all means :-(

By your command! I will try to do my best!

Ops... for a million WU cache i will need a lot bigger SSD.

My Imperious Leader!
I made some calculations and my actual SSD could hold only up to 50000 WU.
Hope that that number is enough for you! My Master!
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Message 2035370 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 2:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 2035081.  

@ Stephen "Heretic"
... lead by example and drop all your machine work fetch sizes ...

Good idea. My slowest computer had a turnaround of 1.14 days, and my fastest was 0.21 days. I don't
know how many "days" 20 or 60 tasks is, so I just reduced them to 0.1 on the fast ones, and 0.3 on the
slower one. After a day or so, I will check to see if I need to up or down the number of "days" requested.

Stay tuned for an update.
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Message 2035373 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 2:44:22 UTC - in response to Message 2035370.  
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@ Stephen "Heretic"
... lead by example and drop all your machine work fetch sizes ...

Good idea. My slowest computer had a turnaround of 1.14 days, and my fastest was 0.21 days. I don't
know how many "days" 20 or 60 tasks is, so I just reduced them to 0.1 on the fast ones, and 0.3 on the
slower one. After a day or so, I will check to see if I need to up or down the number of "days" requested.

Stay tuned for an update.

Don't waste your time, SETI will stop to produce new work in March 31. So the DB size problem will cease very fast after that.
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Message 2035377 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 2:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 2035250.  

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Ops... for a million WU cache i will need a lot bigger SSD.

A 1 TB would do. Heck, my M2 NVME has enough room, with 147 GB for more. This stick also has Windows 10 on it.

705KB*1,000,000=705 GB
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Message 2035379 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 2:55:09 UTC - in response to Message 2035373.  

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Don't waste your time ...
It wasn't a waste of time since I now have two or three backup/take over
projects for when SETI stops sending work (and on the outage days).
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Message 2035382 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 3:00:30 UTC - in response to Message 2035377.  
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@ juan BFP
Ops... for a million WU cache i will need a lot bigger SSD.

A 1 TB would do. Heck, my M2 NVME has enough room, with 147 GB for more. This stick also has Windows 10 on it.

705KB*1,000,000=705 GB

I use an old sata 3 - 64GB SSD for the OS and the project plus a 3 TB HDD for the rest. The large cache requires to run on a SSD to be reliable and avoid high lags. But i will try to do my best to fulfill My Master wishes! Right now the cache is at · In progress (15299) only but is slowly increasing and the Boinc directory uses 12.3 GB.
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Message 2035421 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 6:31:51 UTC - in response to Message 2035373.  

@ Stephen "Heretic"
... lead by example and drop all your machine work fetch sizes ...

Good idea. My slowest computer had a turnaround of 1.14 days, and my fastest was 0.21 days. I don't
know how many "days" 20 or 60 tasks is, so I just reduced them to 0.1 on the fast ones, and 0.3 on the
slower one. After a day or so, I will check to see if I need to up or down the number of "days" requested.

Stay tuned for an update.

Don't waste your time, SETI will stop to produce new work in March 31. So the DB size problem will cease very fast after that.


. . Since there is no point in sending out new work that will never be crunched I suspect they will end the splitting before that date. But yes, it is all a moot point now.

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Message 2035422 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 6:33:58 UTC - in response to Message 2035382.  

@ juan BFP
Ops... for a million WU cache i will need a lot bigger SSD.

A 1 TB would do. Heck, my M2 NVME has enough room, with 147 GB for more. This stick also has Windows 10 on it.

705KB*1,000,000=705 GB

I use an old sata 3 - 64GB SSD for the OS and the project plus a 3 TB HDD for the rest. The large cache requires to run on a SSD to be reliable and avoid high lags. But i will try to do my best to fulfill My Master wishes! Right now the cache is at · In progress (15299) only but is slowly increasing and the Boinc directory uses 12.3 GB.


. . So that is why I keep getting "no tasks available" ... LOL.

Stephen

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Message 2035440 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 7:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 2035373.  

Don't waste your time, SETI will stop to produce new work in March 31. So the DB size problem will cease very fast after that.
Assuming they keep things running till all existing work is returned, i'd say it will take 6-8 weeks for a big dent int he database to occur.
You have to wait for all those WUs that are waiting for their Quorum result to timeout on the systems that are holding things up. And with the present 4-8 week deadlines, that'll translate to 6-8 weeks for it to occur- then there should be a rather rapid drop in the size of the database over a few days, then a gradual decline after that down to 0.
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Message 2035453 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 8:28:23 UTC

It is distribution of new tasks that stops on 31st March, I would guess that the number of new tapes loaded will be reduced in the last few days so there is a bare minimum of work going out at that time. I would also guess that there have been discussions behind the scenes as to how long after 31st March results will be accepted back, my guess is another month to catch as many of the last batch of data as is sensible.

As to the current slow delivery of work - look back over the last few weeks and we've seen an shortage every 2-3 days, so we were due one.
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