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Message 2046331 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 13:36:23 UTC
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i think they not care about this. If they care they could done the dateline cut a long time ago.
Their focus is in the science DB, They need to validate ASAP. So send the WU to few extra wingmen solve a big part of the question.
We are the ones, not them, who loose crunching & electric power for nothing by crunching an a already validated WU.
But look from the project side, they have now several times more processing power than they need at this time.

<edit> Not be alarmed with a msg like this in the next couple of days: We finish the science DB so we have a "final complete set". No more crunching is needed. You could abort all the remaining uncrunched WU. Thanks for your support, etc.

Just guessing of course. But if you look the graphics when they resend the WU to a another wingmen you could notice the resends are in the range of 500 K only. So in theory that is the real number of WU who still need to be crunched. A couple of days with the actual Results received in last hour ** 0 77 14,395.
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Message 2046336 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 2046330.  

If they really wanted to clear those results from the database faster, they would have reduced the ridiculously long deadlines. Some of the extra resends they are sending now have deadlines in late July.
I've wondered, all along, how long before the official announcement of this hibernation the planning for it started. If tasks can have up to a three month deadline (though those are rare), you ought to plan three months before you start the process.

We saw no sign of that: my feeling is that there was actually a pretty short lead-time between idea and action. Hopefully somebody will write the official history of SETI@Home, though I wouldn't bet it would be in my lifetime.
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Message 2046344 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:43:17 UTC

I certainly got the impression from what Eric et-al said that there was virtually no notice of the order to stop distribution so there was no real time to plan, develop and test any proper process.
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Message 2046346 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:46:36 UTC - in response to Message 2046344.  
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I certainly got the impression from what Eric et-al said that there was virtually no notice of the order to stop distribution so there was no real time to plan, develop and test any proper process.

Or maybe a couple of days only. What makes no difference. Just sure with no time for preparations.
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Message 2046356 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 15:01:29 UTC

If they had reduced the deadlines when the end was announced, the longest deadlines out in the field would be nearly two months shorter than they are. And if they had reduced them a lot, no one would have been able to buffer a huge cache to coast weeks past the end.
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Message 2046365 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 15:28:46 UTC - in response to Message 2046344.  

I certainly got the impression from what Eric et-al said that there was virtually no notice of the order to stop distribution so there was no real time to plan, develop and test any proper process.
Order??!!
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Message 2046374 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 16:06:48 UTC

Order = loose interpretation of the shutdown
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Message 2046384 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:03:11 UTC

Strange, got this resend, but it has already been sent to 2 others...

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3903719547
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Message 2046385 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:08:24 UTC - in response to Message 2046384.  
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Strange, got this resend, but it has already been sent to 2 others...

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3903719547

This is the new reality. Forget about the deadlines.
If the host not return in few days the WU crunched it will be sended to a new one.
Until they found a host fast enough to do the task. As i believe you host will going to do.
They are trying to close the science DB ASAP.
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Message 2046386 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 2046384.  

Strange, got this resend, but it has already been sent to 2 others...
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3903719547
Return it fast if you want to get the credit. If they keep resending it, it'll end up in a state where it can't be validated any more like the thousands of tasks like this one at the end of March.
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Message 2046387 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:16:57 UTC
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Already starting crunching the 6 resends I got (on my slowest host).
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Message 2046388 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 2046387.  
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I got (on my slowest host).

Another new reality in this strange last days. LOL

Provided you host returns the work in the next, lets say, 24 hrs all will be OK and your credit will be granted.
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Message 2046390 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 17:36:58 UTC - in response to Message 2046388.  

I got (on my slowest host).

Another new reality in this strange last days. LOL

Provided you host returns the work in the next, lets say, 24 hrs all will be OK and your credit will be granted.



I have a group of validated waiting for either timeout or other person to return. I don't think they taking a valid out of the list until all wingman have a chance to do it or timeout. AT THE MOMENT.

I expect this to change, as they won't want to wait until end of May or June. I'm guessing (very wild guess, based on nothing) that at the end of April (or maybe sooner) they will start looking at the valids and push them through and not wait on any other WUs to come back.
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Message 2046394 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 18:17:14 UTC - in response to Message 2046390.  

I think the scientific urgency is to translate all the 'Completed, waiting for validation' and 'Completed, validation inconclusive' tasks in our list to, hopefully, 'Valid'. At that point, the science is complete: all canonical results will have been assimilated into the science database, and they can take that science database off into a bunker somewhere and really start giving it the third degree.

If the rest of us are left with a few dangling timeouts, no matter. They'll let them wither over time. Maybe run a cleanup script before they re-open the shop for business, if anybody takes them up on their offer of a fully (?) working distributed computing project, going cheap.

BTW, has anybody mentioned giving the third degree to the Astropulse science database?
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Message 2046396 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 18:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 2046394.  

BTW, has anybody mentioned giving the third degree to the Astropulse science database?


That would be nice but probably not going to happen...
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Message 2046410 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 20:39:23 UTC - in response to Message 2046402.  
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Yeah, we haven't heard anything for ages (if ever) about the future of the Astropulse results. Could it really be that they never will analyze Astropulse in depth?
Have we really spent time and electricity on Astropulse for no reasons whatsover?

It would be good if the project could inform us about what they'll do with all the AP data.


Find another pulsar? :)

I have been lobbying for (as a moderator complained to me about posting similar/identical content in multiple threads) the AP project to continue if it can be run in such a way as to not sop up much in the way of people or server resources.

It could be paid for as a "Pulsar" search program and in the process gather more data for SETI analysis. If someone wanted to we could start a "competition" with E@H over who is finding Pulsars "faster" or something?
---edit---
IF I am reading everything right, the only "post data analysis" needed would be to "unspilt" the results so they can aggregate?

Someone else needs to read the details and the paper they have published. It really looks like the output of the AP app is the "final step" except for examining "the result" with the idea of Y/N in mind.
If that is a simple threshold determination then it should be completely automatable and maybe even BOINCable.
------edit---
Someone with a little more math needs to wade through the details and tell me where I likely misunderstood it.
----another edit----
Just stumbled over this budget from the deep, dark past:
astropulse 60,000
Continued maintenance 10,000
Further development 20,000
Data analysis 30,000


So apparently there is both post BOINC data analysis and it costs significant resources...
---end another edit-----------

Anyway. Another dream I think.

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Message 2046440 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 23:20:16 UTC
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April 22 0:40 UTC
I've still got 259 Pendings and 342 Inconclusives
My Pendings are down to 145 and Inconclusives 237.
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Message 2046441 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 23:26:00 UTC - in response to Message 2046390.  

I expect this to change, as they won't want to wait until end of May or June. I'm guessing (very wild guess, based on nothing) that at the end of April (or maybe sooner) they will start looking at the valids and push them through and not wait on any other WUs to come back.


. . Funny but I was thinking along those same lines. It seems like that are pushing for validation of all (most) tasks in the field and I was hypothesising that when they have that all non-completed tasks will be expired.

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Message 2046447 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 23:56:28 UTC

Well this was a waste of time doing. :-(

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Cheers.
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Message 2046448 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 0:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 2046447.  

Well this was a waste of time doing. :-(
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3950405400
Cheers.


. . I have also had quite a few like that ...

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