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Message 2042959 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 17:08:56 UTC

04-Apr-2020 18:43:29 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks


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Message 2042980 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 19:44:50 UTC

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Message 2042985 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 19:56:03 UTC - in response to Message 2042932.  

And just as I predicted, the next failed scheduler request happened at 7:25 UTC.

Did you try to NNT? When i do that the problem disappears.
Even when you have no Tasks to report & just need new work?
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Message 2042989 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 20:06:34 UTC - in response to Message 2042932.  

And just as I predicted, the next failed scheduler request happened at 7:25 UTC.

Did you try to NNT? When i do that the problem disappears.

I have NNT. I still get errors regularily every 3 hours. Yesterday the errors happened in several requests in row but today it seems to be just one failed request every three hours.

04-Apr-2020 15:34:29 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 15:44:54 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 15:55:13 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 16:06:11 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 16:18:39 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
04-Apr-2020 16:22:19 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 16:34:11 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 16:44:26 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 16:54:51 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:05:14 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:15:36 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:26:15 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:36:41 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:47:04 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 17:57:27 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:07:51 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:18:24 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:28:45 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:39:04 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:49:21 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 18:59:47 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 19:11:05 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 19:22:42 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Failure when receiving data from the peer
04-Apr-2020 19:26:33 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 19:37:06 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 19:47:28 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 19:57:44 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:08:06 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:18:35 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:28:56 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:39:22 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:49:40 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 20:59:59 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 21:10:24 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 21:20:49 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 21:31:08 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 21:41:28 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 21:51:52 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 22:02:49 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 22:14:53 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 22:27:28 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
04-Apr-2020 22:30:56 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 22:41:19 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 22:51:48 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
04-Apr-2020 23:02:08 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed

(My local time is 3 hours ahead of UTC)
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Message 2042994 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 20:11:58 UTC

It is much worse for my other computer that has no NNT:

04-Apr-2020 15:38:22 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 15:48:42 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 15:59:00 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 16:11:12 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
04-Apr-2020 16:14:21 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached
04-Apr-2020 16:19:48 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached
04-Apr-2020 16:26:42 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached
04-Apr-2020 16:42:06 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 16:52:26 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:02:43 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:13:06 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:23:27 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:33:56 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:44:15 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 17:54:37 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:04:54 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:15:12 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:25:34 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:35:59 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:46:21 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 18:56:39 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 19:08:18 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:12:00 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
04-Apr-2020 19:17:42 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:25:31 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:35:17 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 20:02:34 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:12:55 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:23:19 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:33:40 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:44:01 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:54:21 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:04:43 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:15:06 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:25:25 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:35:47 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:46:16 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 21:56:33 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 22:08:45 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 22:12:15 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 22:17:46 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 22:24:39 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Failure when receiving data from the peer
04-Apr-2020 22:38:17 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 22:59:40 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
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Message 2042995 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 20:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 2042985.  
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And just as I predicted, the next failed scheduler request happened at 7:25 UTC.

Did you try to NNT? When i do that the problem disappears.
Even when you have no Tasks to report & just need new work?

No, this works for us who still has work to report and due the server problem we can´t.
If you have work to report and your hosts can`t it enter on a long delay adding more time on each call and stopping to ask for new work. This NNT allow the host reports the crunched WU so clear the cache and them when you set back o New Work the request back to ask for work and eventually pick some resend as your host is doing.

<edit> From Ville post

This procedure i use to avoid this internal server error who happening each 3 hrs as he post (i have no idea why this error happening BTW):

04-Apr-2020 19:08:18 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:12:00 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
04-Apr-2020 19:17:42 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:25:31 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04-Apr-2020 19:35:17 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

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Message 2043006 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 21:06:12 UTC - in response to Message 2042995.  
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set back o New Work the request back to ask for work and eventually pick some resend as your host is doing.
That's the problem. The Scheduler has been spending so much time down that even when i do ask for work, there's no chance of getting because the Scheduler has gone AWOL.
I've probably picked up less than 12 Tasks since the splitters stopped producing new work.
Of course at the present rate it will probably be a week (or more) before i can see the actual numbers- it looks like the Replica has all but given up trying to get data from Main and just gets further & further behind.


I think Eric needs to give his Tasks that have been out for over 4 weeks script another try to get some Resends out to get the size of the database down so things can actually function again.
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Message 2043008 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 21:17:32 UTC - in response to Message 2043006.  
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set back o New Work the request back to ask for work and eventually pick some resend as your host is doing.
That's the problem. The Scheduler has been spending so much time down that even when i do ask for work, there's no chance of getting because the Scheduler has gone AWOL.
I've probably picked up less than 12 Tasks since the splitters stopped producing new work.
Of course at the present rate it will probably be a week (or more) before i can see the actual numbers- it looks like the Replica has all but given up trying to get data from Main and just gets further & further behind.

Agree that is why i leave with NNT. At least the crunched work could be reported.
Anyway in my particular case i still have a lot of work to be crunched until my host runs out.
So try to get few more WU and the expense of stop to report the crunched work makes no sense for me.
Hope in a week with less users around that could be sorted.

What still bugs my mind is, if the queries/second=450, the Results received in last hour=13,001 and the rest of the numbers are low, why we continue to have problem with the servers. Is expected to they start to run smother after several days without new work and a less of requests from the running hosts.

Other point that call my attention is why, if there are no more tapes to split, there still are few pfb splitters running on the servers.
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Message 2043009 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 21:17:40 UTC - in response to Message 2043006.  

Whenever I've seen a fully-populated SSP today, the 'results returned per hour' has been around ten times the rate of creation of resends (15K returns/hour, closer to 1500 created/hour). So things are moving, oh-so-slowly, in the right direction.

But it would still take 10 days or so to gather in the overdue results, and we will still have all the assimilation to do.
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Message 2043011 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 21:24:51 UTC


04-Apr-2020 19:47:19 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 5 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:07:44 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks
04-Apr-2020 20:16:16 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks


last errors i had



04-Apr-2020 16:29:59 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
04-Apr-2020 16:30:22 [SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
04-Apr-2020 16:30:25 [---] Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
04-Apr-2020 16:30:27 [---] Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.


i made UTC time for easy comparison ^^
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Message 2043023 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:03:18 UTC - in response to Message 2043008.  
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What still bugs my mind is, if the queries/second=450, the Results received in last hour=13,001 and the rest of the numbers are low, why we continue to have problem with the servers. Is expected to they start to run smother after several days without new work and a less of requests from the running hosts.
Because although some people said the number of "Results out in the field" was a significant part of the problem (they've now dropped to lowest levels ever, with no impact what so ever), the numbers of "Results returned and awaiting validation" and " Workunits waiting for assimilation" are huge- and we have to wait for Resends in order to get those 2 to clear out. And with many WUs with over 2 month deadlines, and a surprising number with over 3 month deadlines, that's how long it's going to take to put a big dent in the present backlogged numbers.

Once we get those down to below that magic 20 million total number, then the Assimilation should crank up again, and everything functioning normally again, at long last. Of course we'll have to wait another 2-3+ months for those resneds that have been sent out to hosts that don't return anything before they well be resent (yet again).
Unless the change the deadlines for resends is implemented, or Eric gets his script working, it's going to take 9+ months to clear all presently outstanding results.


Other point that call my attention is why, if there are no more tapes to split, there still are few pfb splitters running on the servers.
And only 3 GBT splitters amongst them.




Given the problems with Assimilation, i'd have thought there would be more than 2 v8 Assimilators running. Maybe they shut the others down to try & reduce I/O contention?
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Message 2043028 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:27:21 UTC - in response to Message 2043023.  
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Given the problems with Assimilation, i'd have thought there would be more than 2 v8 Assimilators running. Maybe they shut the others down to try & reduce I/O contention?

I asked that before but not rely understood the answer.

Still not imagine how Results out in the field 3,527,077 will going to validate Results returned and awaiting validation 21,488,654

If you look at the AP part the numbers looks as expected: 36,636 to validate 38,675.

But as you said, we will probably need to wait a couple of months for the answer.
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Message 2043029 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 2042959.  

04-Apr-2020 18:43:29 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks


another one ;)


. . Braggart :)

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Message 2043031 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:43:41 UTC

...
05/04/2020 00:37:38 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Starting task 27mr20aa.2497.25697.7.34.182_0 using setiathome_v8 version 805 in slot 1
05/04/2020 00:37:40 | SETI@home | Started upload of 27mr20aa.9940.11928.16.43.10_1_r826992552_0
05/04/2020 00:37:44 | SETI@home | Finished upload of 27mr20aa.9940.11928.16.43.10_1_r826992552_0
05/04/2020 00:39:33 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
05/04/2020 00:39:33 | SETI@home | Reporting 2 completed tasks
05/04/2020 00:39:33 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
05/04/2020 00:39:36 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 75 new tasks                                    <-- !!!!!!
05/04/2020 00:39:38 | SETI@home | Started download of 14mr09ag.17677.3344.10.37.252
05/04/2020 00:39:38 | SETI@home | Started download of 14mr09ag.17389.4162.4.31.251
05/04/2020 00:39:45 | SETI@home | Finished download of 14mr09ag.17389.4162.4.31.251
05/04/2020 00:39:45 | SETI@home | Started download of 14mr09ag.17677.3344.10.37.246
05/04/2020 00:39:46 | SETI@home | Finished download of 14mr09ag.17677.3344.10.37.252
05/04/2020 00:39:46 | SETI@home | Started download of 14mr09ag.17389.4162.4.31.255
05/04/2020 00:39:51 | SETI@home | Finished download of 14mr09ag.17677.3344.10.37.246
05/04/2020 00:39:51 | SETI@home | Started download of 14mr09ag.17389.4162.4.31.243
...


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Message 2043034 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:51:32 UTC - in response to Message 2043029.  
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@Stephen

Could you make me a favor?

Can you look and post (or PM) the size of your setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file? Its located on the boinc directory (the one where the boinc.exe program is placed)

And if you could look how many seconds your host is asking for new work on the scheduled request? That will appears o the history file if you have the sched_op flag activated.

Asked because after the change for 303 to 606 my host has serious troubles to report the work and the only possible cause i was able to imagine focus on this 2 possibilities. So i need the info of a regular client who is getting work to be sure i'm in the right path.

Thanks in advance.
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Message 2043037 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 22:56:45 UTC - in response to Message 2043034.  

Can you look and post the size of your setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file? Its located on the boinc directory (the one where the boinc.exe program is placed)
For me, nothing in progress & nothing to report.
4kB.
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04-Apr-2020 18:43:29 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks


another one ;)


. . Braggart :)

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Could you make me a favor?

Can you look and post the size of your setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file? Its located on the boinc directory (the one where the boinc.exe program is placed)

Thanks in advance.

if you're looking for account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml, mine's 6kb.
As I recall, only the first three lines,
    <master_url>,
    <authenticator>,
    <project_name>,

are needed to connect. The remainder gets filled in from the website from your preferences as defined there.
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Message 2043039 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:00:32 UTC
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I'm looking for this file:

sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu


It's contains the data the host send to the server when you ask for new work.

Mine has 1.8 MB and that is what i believe is the problem.
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Message 2043040 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:01:23 UTC - in response to Message 2043039.  
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Mine's 15kb.
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Message 2043041 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 2043040.  
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Mine's 15kb

Thanks. That's solve the puzzle.

Something was changed and the servers not handle anymore my large file.

Back to the drawing board. Will remain running with NNT until i think on something.

Thanks again for the help.
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