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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Too early to speculate but one can't help but wonder. Aviation safety analyst Todd Curtis told the BBC that the Boeing aircraft involved in the crash had been delivered new to the airline. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
If you are talking about today's Ukraine International crash - it was a B737 8KV which was an "NG" aircraft, new in 2016. Total loss, reportedly following engine failure with some reports of a fire on/shortly after take-off :-( Looking at the FlightRadar 24 track record it would appear that it hit some high ground on the edge of town/village a few miles after take-off..... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Is that the Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 that crashed after takeoff from Tehran overnight? The BBC quoted a press statement that said it had caught fire on impact with the ground, but immediately followed it with a video of something catching fire whilst airborne. So it is indeed too early to speculate, but this one is going to be examined - I trust - in minute detail. BBC: Iran plane crash Flight data from the Ukrainian Airlines Boeing 737-800 is openly available online. It shows that the plane climbed normally after taking-off from Tehran. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is that the Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 that crashed after takeoff from Tehran overnight? That is one big sad 'oh no, oh dear'... The debris field and the ground impacts seen suggests the plane was fragmented in mid-air and the parts showered down near vertically from high up. There's also multiple small puncture marks seen in some of the fuselage fragments suggesting an explosion that included shrapnel... My first guess is a surface to air missile... Also note that Iran would be on war alert after their missiles attack on the US/Iraqi bases shortly before... All very silly sad. All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Is that the Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 that crashed after takeoff from Tehran overnight? Iranian media blamed technical problems and quoted an aviation official who said no emergency had been declared. Put together it does sound like they already know the cause and it is "embarrassing." There is zero excuse for shooting at an airplane leaving your own airport on a flight plan. Someone needs a public beheading, if this is indeed what happened. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) has published a list of 167 passengers who were on board the Boeing-737 flight PS752 Tehran-Kyiv that crashed early on Wednesday shortly after takeoff. UIA publishes full passenger list for flight PS752 crashed in Iran. https://www.unian.info/society/10822121-uia-publishes-full-passenger-list-for-flight-ps752-crashed-in-iran.html Among the victims were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians including all nine crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Britons and three Germans, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko said. Fifteen of the dead were children. All but 4 passengers, one women from Ukraine and three from Sweden, two kids with a Swedish father but with an Iranian mother , are from Iran but many of them are now also citizens of other countries. Why would Iran shoot down a plane or something with mostly people from Iran? And doing that only three minutes after take off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport… |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I'm certainly smelling a very big rat. I mentioned the BBC playing the video of something catching fire while airborne. They never replayed that video, all day - unusual for the BBC News channel, which thrives on repeats. But I think they replayed it on the flagship 10 o'clock bulletin (I walked back in late, just as it was finishing). That would be a significant display of confidence. Edit - reviewed the Ten on catchup. It was the same video I saw this morning: the object is described as being on fire while airborne: then there's a mid-air flash, and then there's a very big ground impact flash (not directly visible from the camera position, but reflected from the cloud cover). The BBC are being very careful to say that it is not confirmed as being the flight in question, and there is no time/datestamp visible on screen. But they're repeating it in the normal rotation now. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
A good summary of the story so far is given on: Radio silence and a desperate turn: The final moments of Flight PS752 What we know so far about Boeing plane that crashed in Iran I suspect that the "desperate turn" is some misinformation or a very bad journalistic pun. Note that the plane debris came down very near to the last reported position... The fragments fell near vertically from a plane that was flying at about 500km/h.... There is already the wikipedia updates on: Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Edit - reviewed the Ten on catchup. It was the same video I saw this morning: the object is described as being on fire while airborne: then there's a mid-air flash, and then there's a very big ground impact flash (not directly visible from the camera position, but reflected from the cloud cover). Thinking what we might be looking at is the missile engine burning and the mid-air flash is it exploding when it hit its target. Of course it could be all fake. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19403 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The BBC reports that Iran has refused to allow the US and Boeing access to the Black Boxes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The BBC reports that Iran has refused to allow the US and Boeing access to the Black Boxes.After reading Richard's post & then yours, I think the BBC has also removed a video from a report. Pretty certain several hours ago on checking the BBC website, the 1st video was the one now showing on the black box refusal report. However on that earlier report there was a 2nd video from the Ukraine (can't recall whether it was the head of the airline or a tech from the airline), stating that the aircraft was only 3 year's old & serviced a couple of days ago, also mentioned that they had the black boxes. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19403 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The BBC reports that Iran has refused to allow the US and Boeing access to the Black Boxes.After reading Richard's post & then yours, I think the BBC has also removed a video from a report. I forgot to give the link, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51042326. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes, read that & the video is the same, BUT it was not the report I saw mid evening. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19403 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Video on twitter, https://twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/1214756225293979648 |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Sorry Nick already seen that one. No, on the report I saw on the website, it had 2 videos with the report. The 1st is the one on your black box post & link, the 2nd was of the Airline head/Tech talking about the aircraft. If I recall, it was about 3 min long. |
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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Sorry Nick already seen that one. No, on the report I saw on the website, it had 2 videos with the report. The 1st is the one on your black box post & link, the 2nd was of the Airline head/Tech talking about the aircraft. If I recall, it was about 3 min long.The Ukrainian video was recorded on Wednesday morning and repeated on the BBC several times during the day, sometimes with additional information as it became available - such as passenger nationalities. The Ukrainian story has been consistent so far - the plane was delivered new in 2016, was last given routine maintenance on Monday 6 January, has completed several flights since then, has no reported maintenance issues outstanding. Reports out of Tehran have been variable. An early report, later removed, suggested engine failure as a cause. This morning, there's a new BBC report: Iran plane crash: Airliner 'was trying to return to airport' Iran's Civil Aviation Organisation (CAOI) chief Ali Abedzadeh said: "The plane, which was initially headed west to leave the airport zone, turned right following a problem and was headed back to the airport at the moment of the crash."flightradar24 contradicts that. The raw data - Timestamp UTC CallsignPosition AltitudeSpeed Direction 1578451314 2020-01-08T02:41:54Z AUI752 35.414623,51.160755 0 74 286 1578451354 2020-01-08T02:42:34Z AUI752 35.423355,51.12957 3425 177 289 1578451360 2020-01-08T02:42:40Z AUI752 35.424809,51.12447 3575 183 289 1578451367 2020-01-08T02:42:47Z AUI752 35.426834,51.117382 3750 190 289 1578451373 2020-01-08T02:42:53Z AUI752 35.428528,51.111431 3925 196 289 1578451384 2020-01-08T02:43:04Z AUI752 35.432259,51.098347 4375 199 288 1578451391 2020-01-08T02:43:11Z AUI752 35.434353,51.090984 4500 207 289 1578451397 2020-01-08T02:43:17Z AUI752 35.43626,51.084263 4575 216 289 1578451404 2020-01-08T02:43:24Z AUI752 35.43837,51.076927 4675 223 289 1578451416 2020-01-08T02:43:36Z AUI752 35.442764,51.061535 4875 238 289 1578451428 2020-01-08T02:43:48Z AUI752 35.447342,51.045856 5125 251 289 1578451440 2020-01-08T02:44:00Z AUI752 35.452324,51.028866 5500 261 289 1578451453 2020-01-08T02:44:13Z AUI752 35.45755,51.010895 5800 273 289 1578451464 2020-01-08T02:44:24Z AUI752 35.463409,50.993614 6325 274 297 1578451473 2020-01-08T02:44:33Z AUI752 35.469635,50.981598 6800 274 305 1578451480 2020-01-08T02:44:40Z AUI752 35.474533,50.974045 7075 275 309 1578451486 2020-01-08T02:44:46Z AUI752 35.480072,50.966663 7350 276 313 1578451492 2020-01-08T02:44:52Z AUI752 35.485428,50.959682 7650 276 313 1578451498 2020-01-08T02:44:58Z AUI752 35.490463,50.952988 7925 275 312shows a course adjustment from 289 degrees at takeoff to 313/312 (towards Kyiv). I don't buy that as 'returning to airport': somebody's lying, and if flightradar24 has been hacked, we're all in trouble. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19403 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
That's interesting data which alongside the height profile of the flight, , which if there was a engine problem should have shown a decrease in the rate of climb. And if you go to flightradar24 twitter page, there are some photos, which must be viewed with skepticism, that it is claimed show shrapnel damage and part of an anti-aircraft missile. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1214755618508230657. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11416 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19403 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
From https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-flight-was-on-fire-in-air-and-returning-to-tehran-at-time-of-crash-iran-investigators-say/2020/01/09/9b27434c-3244-11ea-971b-43bec3ff9860_story.html there is a link to https://twitter.com/iribnewsFa/status/1215250621319864320. This security cam video shows the area lighting up a second or so before the flare caused by the aircraft's impact. Also, A Ukrainian plane with 45 experts and search-and-rescue personnel arrived in Tehran early Thursday to participate in the investigation, as well as to identify and repatriate the bodies of the 11 Ukrainians on board, including all nine crew members. edit] A similar account is in https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-ukraine.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage KYIV, Ukraine — Investigators will look into the possibility that a missile shot down the Ukrainian passenger jet that crashed in Iran, a senior Ukrainian official said on Thursday, but he did not rule out a range of other possibilities for the disaster that killed at least 176 people. |
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