Isn't it sad that people believe that Federal laws written 200+ years ago applies to them.

When it was up to each State who could vote, and that usually meant white property owners only, and that probably would not be the people who comment here, including me, if I was a US citizen. And I might add still don't apply to everybody in the US.

And today. Do you believe that the application of the USA's 200+ years old belief in Individual Freedoms's is also "sad"?

The saddest thing is that it hasn't truly happened yet. Gerrymandering, voter suppression....

I see Trump threatens to adjourn Congress so he can fill vacancies without Senate approval.
There's a slight problem there, he hasn't nominated anyone for most empty positions.

Isn't it sad that people believe that Federal laws written 200+ years ago applies to them.

When it was up to each State who could vote, and that usually meant white property owners only, and that probably would not be the people who comment here, including me, if I was a US citizen. And I might add still don't apply to everybody in the US.

And today. Do you believe that the application of the USA's 200+ years old belief in Individual Freedoms's is also "sad"?

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Isn't it sad that people believe that Federal laws written 200+ years ago applies to them.

When it was up to each State who could vote, and that usually meant white property owners only, and that probably would not be the people who comment here, including me, if I was a US citizen. And I might add still don't apply to everybody in the US.

I'm glad to hear that you do.

In response to:

The illiberal and intolerant Left and Right have similar belief's and need's to personally attack when they are exposed.

And what is most illuminating and wonderful to behold.

Neither the Left, nor the Right, have a clue :-D

Yep, another confirmation of what I say :-D :-D :-D

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

I'm glad to hear that you do.

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About constitutions, not something most are aware of, but one existed in America before the European invaders came.

We, in the USA, do not believe that the fundamental Rights of Individuals and minority beliefs are subjected to the will of any majority.
Our Rights are much more important.

That's pathetic. Nothing is written in stone. The world are changing and constitutions as well.

We understand and have dismissed over 200 years ago and understanding we had to evolve to include everyone. The belief that People's Rights are subjected to the will of a Ruling Class and a majority hating the beliefs of a minority.

Unfortunately, the beliefs of the "Old World" apparently haven't changed.

Get over yourself, and don't come here with your "The U.S is best". Your so called constitution is crap, just ask your minorities, and they tell you.
Don't open your mouth like that again, before you have made sure that your citizens have access to affordable healthcare at least. (or maybe that's not part of the god given rights eh?)
Universal healthcare, is the norm over here in Europe, as well as in most other developed countries, but in the U.S it's a Universal right, to die in the gutter when you get sick, unless you're
a wealthy white capitalist of course.

So much for "include everyone", and "“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” (No, you do not hold "these truths to be self-evident", when you can't even take care of the medical needs of your population.)

The U.S is a failed state, and everybody except the Right Wing U.S citizens understands that. (You should remove "Liberal" from your screen name, you're no more liberal than Tr*** is)
Don't come here and try to teach us anything, because you do not have anything to boast about. Your 200 year old failure is nothing to be proud of. Your country is a kid compared to the old world,
and most of you seem to be political mo***s. No wonder the world more and more dislikes the U.S, because you always try to push your insane and failed constitution down the throat on other,
more democratic countries. Countries that looks after its citizens 100 times better than the failed U.S state. (The U.S constitution is worthless, something that is shown every day through the mouth
of the insane so called president you have now.)

Now, go learn something about what real democracies are all about. The rest of the world does not like the U.S "Roman Empire" kind of failure.
The Roman Empire came crashing down, for the same reason the U.S also will come crashing down.
I for one, will raise a glass to world freedom, when that day comes.

All thing come to an end. Including the USA and the belief in Individual Freedoms.

Freedom's which the Left and Right hate. An evil hate which lead to the killings millions of innocents in the last century and the worse crimes against humanity in history.

Perhaps we should raise a glass and toast the inevitable hate filled success of the Left and Right.

Or perhaps, we should all shudder at those who hate for Individual rights will, as it always has, succeed.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Sten, now tell us how you really feel. OBTW your points are pretty much valid.

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This discussion brings up several ideas'
There are more than one way to have a constitutionally protected democracy I don't think America's protections have perfect record. A case in point the gerrymandering used to deprive people of their voice, the effective disenfranchisement of people of color, a legal system which favors the white in it's execution.
I don't know if Sweden has issues like that but the image I receive does not contain that. Possibly in the past the Saami were treated poorly but my impression is that is not the way it is today.

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We, in the USA, do not believe that the fundamental Rights of Individuals and minority beliefs are subjected to the will of any majority.
Our Rights are much more important.

That's pathetic. Nothing is written in stone. The world are changing and constitutions as well.

We understand and have dismissed over 200 years ago and understanding we had to evolve to include everyone. The belief that People's Rights are subjected to the will of a Ruling Class and a majority hating the beliefs of a minority.

Unfortunately, the beliefs of the "Old World" apparently haven't changed.

Get over yourself, and don't come here with your "The U.S is best". Your so called constitution is crap, just ask your minorities, and they tell you.
Don't open your mouth like that again, before you have made sure that your citizens have access to affordable healthcare at least. (or maybe that's not part of the god given rights eh?)
Universal healthcare, is the norm over here in Europe, as well as in most other developed countries, but in the U.S it's a Universal right, to die in the gutter when you get sick, unless you're
a wealthy white capitalist of course.

So much for "include everyone", and "“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” (No, you do not hold "these truths to be self-evident", when you can't even take care of the medical needs of your population.)

The U.S is a failed state, and everybody except the Right Wing U.S citizens understands that. (You should remove "Liberal" from your screen name, you're no more liberal than Tr*** is)
Don't come here and try to teach us anything, because you do not have anything to boast about. Your 200 year old failure is nothing to be proud of. Your country is a kid compared to the old world,
and most of you seem to be political mo***s. No wonder the world more and more dislikes the U.S, because you always try to push your insane and failed constitution down the throat on other,
more democratic countries. Countries that looks after its citizens 100 times better than the failed U.S state. (The U.S constitution is worthless, something that is shown every day through the mouth
of the insane so called president you have now.)

Now, go learn something about what real democracies are all about. The rest of the world does not like the U.S "Roman Empire" kind of failure.
The Roman Empire came crashing down, for the same reason the U.S also will come crashing down.
I for one, will raise a glass to world freedom, when that day comes.

Hehe:) Sounds like an argument between a teenager and an adult.

Yes, we have matured in our understanding of Individual Rights :) :) :)

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Hehe:) Sounds like an argument between a teenager and an adult.

We, in the USA, do not believe that the fundamental Rights of Individuals and minority beliefs are subjected to the will of any majority.
Our Rights are much more important.

That's pathetic. Nothing is written in stone. The world are changing and constitutions as well.

We understand and have dismissed over 200 years ago and understanding we had to evolve to include everyone. The belief that People's Rights are subjected to the will of a Ruling Class and a majority hating the beliefs of a minority.

Unfortunately, the beliefs of the "Old World" apparently haven't changed.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

We, in the USA, do not believe that the fundamental Rights of Individuals and minority beliefs are subjected to the will of any majority.
Our Rights are much more important.

That's pathetic. Nothing is written in stone. The world are changing and constitutions as well.

And what is the Constitutional Amendment/Change process in Sweden?.

To Amendment/Change Constitutional laws is not easy of course
https://www.riksdagen.se/en/how-the-riksdag-works/democracy/the-constitution//

To amend or to revise a fundamental law, the Riksdag needs to approve the changes twice in two successive terms with qualified majorities, with a general election having been held in between.

Therefore, just a majority vote.

We, in the USA, do not believe that the fundamental Rights of Individuals and minority beliefs are subjected to the will of any majority.

Our Rights are much more important.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

And what is the Constitutional Amendment/Change process in Sweden?.

To Amend/Change Constitutional laws is not easy of course
https://www.riksdagen.se/en/how-the-riksdag-works/democracy/the-constitution//

The fundamental laws are more difficult to amend than other laws. There should be time for reflection and ensuring that the consequences have been thoroughly considered before changes are made. This is designed to protect our democracy.

To make an amendment to the Constitution, the Riksdag must adopt two decisions of identical wording with a general election between the two decisions. This long drawn-out procedure is designed to ensure that the Riksdag does not take any hasty decisions that can limit people's freedoms and rights.

It is possible to call a referendum on a constitutional matter. This possibility was introduced in 1980, but has not been made use of to date. If the Riksdag has taken its first decision regarding an amendment to fundamental law, it can decide to call a referendum on the matter. The results of a referendum of this kind are only binding if a majority vote against the proposal. In this case, the Riksdag cannot make an amendment to the Constitution. The possibility to hold a referendum on constitutional matters was introduced in 1980, but has not been made use of to date.

Are your Rights given to you by your Government or Constitution. Or are your Rights given to you and all at birth and not by a Government or Constitution?

Eh. The Rights are given by being a citizen of our country no matter of Governments and Constitutions of course.

To amend the Rights as noted in the USA's Constitution and other matters. And understanding that a majority vote may be the first step in destroying the Individual Rights of all by a simple majority.

A 2/3 vote of both Houses of Congress is necessary to start the process. Then... A 3/4 vote of our States is necessary.

And what is the Constitutional Amendment/Change process in Sweden?

BTW: There is a Constitutional Convention of States process. But this process has never been used.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Are your Rights given to you by your Government or Constitution. Or are your Rights given to you and all at birth and not by a Government or Constitution?

Eh. The Rights are given by being a citizen of our country no matter of Governments and Constitutions of course.

Oh dear. You think it's the United States of America that founded the idea of individual freedom and having constitutions regulating that.
Sorry. It wasn't. For example the Scandinavian countries were way before that having Things in the early Middle Ages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(assembly)

In Sweden, are your Rights really just given to The People by humans controlling Government and not the "Laws of Nature and..."?

I don't understant. Could you rephrase that question?

Are your Rights given to you by your Government or Constitution. Or are your Rights given to you and all at birth and not by a Government or Constitution?

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton