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Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1731 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
I stumbled across an article. It is rather a short book: "History Will Judge the Complicit - Why have Republican leaders abandoned their principles in support of an immoral and dangerous president?" by Anne Applebaum https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/trumps-collaborators/612250/ It's about free society, its gradual transformation into an authoritarian one. What does it take, in what steps does it take place? What does it do to the citizen? Propaganda and reality - truth and lies. It's about the complicity of well-meaning people, their motives and constraints, which make authoritarian societies possible in the first place. Communist authoritarian governments in East Germany, Eastern Europe are discussed, as well as Nazi-collaborating wartime Vichy France. And finally, it compares these findings to the three years of the Trump administration's impact on political parties, MPs, senators, and citizens. As an East German who grew up in school with socialist propaganda (I only understood that later) until the age of 12, I am very impressed by this in-depth historical and sociological analysis. It takes a lot of time, but the article is worth reading. |
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Since Hollywood is such a fountain of deep insight by heavy intellectuals all should probably agree with this.......... David Lynch: Trump will go down history for destroying the new world order https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/david-lynch-donald-trump-greatest-presidents-1202857615/ ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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... Trump will go down [in] history for destroying the new world order Sadly, deadly, all too true. To misquote another film quote: Ya cannae argue wi summat that can't argue (or with the laws of physics)... All only in the USA? Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24930 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
But we do thank Europe, and their history, for teaching us what not to do.Your fixation on anything non-American is blatant. It took Europe 2000 years to get where they are today, yet it has only taken you a tenth of that time - That's nothing to be proud of. |
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But we do thank Europe, and their history, for teaching us what not to do.... It took Europe 2000 years to get where they are today, yet it has only taken you a tenth of that time - That's nothing to be proud of. There's just got to be a Monty Python quote in there for that!... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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I stumbled across an article. It is rather a short book: That's working like a champ with the pandemic, 110,000 dead and rising, With a little help from the orange one 200, 000 is within reach by year's end. |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Well if you have read the article. Lynch also shared in the interview that he is politically all over the map, having voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary and thinks — but is unsure — that he voted Libertarian in the presidential election. “I am not really a political person, but I really like the freedom to do what you want to do,†he said.Yes. Do what you want to do. Who cares. |
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And Trump is currently setting your country up to do just that now.Europe still believes that Power will always be controlled non evil people. Or that Government's, for some inexplicable reason, knows what is best.But we do thank Europe, and their history, for teaching us what not to do.Your fixation on anything non-American is blatant. It took Europe 2000 years to get where they are today, yet it has only taken you a tenth of that time - That's nothing to be proud of. |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
[quote]Europe still believes that Power will always be controlled non evil people. Or that Government's, for some inexplicable reason, knows what is best.Sigh! The USA is a country but EUROPE IS NOT A COUNTRY. Has not been and will never be. There are 50 sovereign states, 6 of them with limited recognition in Europe. Most common language is Russian, German and French in that order. Largest cities are Istanbul, Moscow and Paris in that order. Every country in Europe have different cultures and views of politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Is this so hard to understand? ![]() |
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Dante wrote: The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24930 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
I should have been more specific and just mentioned the criminal empires of the UK, Spain, Portugal, Denmark and other country's invading continents and oppressing, murdering and other crimes against people around the world.Why d you always leave out the USA in your list? How many countries have you screwed over in the last 75 years? After all, they disguised their criminal empire under the guise of "National Security & Economic Interests" |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
You forgot to mention the Swedish empire:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire |
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And a military who primary allegiance is to our Constitution and following the order's of a President are secondary to our Constitution when taking the oath. With all orders by their superiors must be legal and constitutional. As per the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, only Congress has the power to declare war. Under Harry Truman, the only action by Congress in the Korean War was a $12 billion appropriation. War was not declared. This is the first war where the oft-parodied "police action" was used (by Truman) to describe it, and is the least ambiguous of the bunch as it lasted three years, thus was an unconstitutional war, so everyone who fought in it was given and followed unconstitutional orders from the highest level. Under Bill Clinton, Operation Uphold Democracy invaded Haiti in 1994. Congress was not involved. Nor was Congress involved (in fact, declined to be involved) in U.S. military action in Bosnia also under Bill Clinton. Barack Obama's military strikes against Libya in 2001, described by Defense Secretary Robert Gates as an unambiguous act of war, also did not involve congressional approval. There are plenty more I am sure. ![]() |
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And a military who primary allegiance is to our Constitution and following the order's of a President are secondary to our Constitution when taking the oath. With all orders by their superiors must be legal and constitutional. The Congress abdicated it's authority AND responsibility to declare war when they made that appropriation in 1950. And they have failed to take responsibility for ANY of their actions in the 70 years since. They tried to partially correct the practice in 1973 with the 'War Powers Resolution' but that has been largely ignored or 'worked around'. One of the 'work arounds' is forming a coalition with many other nations when embarking on military action which is what happened with Gulf Wars I and II not to mention Afghanistan. As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically. ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically.So you still think the European countries have the same mindset today as in 1620? Zoot allures. Hehe:) |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24930 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
LOL, but the USA still rely on an outdated piece of paper.As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically.So you still think the European countries have the same mindset today as in 1620? Hehe:) |
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LOL, but the USA still rely on an outdated piece of paper.As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically.So you still think the European countries have the same mindset today as in 1620? Hehe:) Magna Carta ring a bell? ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
No. I hear no bells. Magna Carta was written in 1215. The Great Reform Bill in 1832 and the Parliament Act was written in 1911. Meaning that the British constitution has been revised over the years. However the British constitution is still based on an unwritten constitution, which means that it is not codified in a uniform document.LOL, but the USA still rely on an outdated piece of paper.As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically.So you still think the European countries have the same mindset today as in 1620? Hehe:) |
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Yes a lot of other countries amend or change their constitutions to keep up with the times and remove totally outdated sections that are irrelevant in these modern days.No. I hear no bells. Magna Carta was written in 1215. The Great Reform Bill in 1832 and the Parliament Act was written in 1911. Meaning that the British constitution has been revised over the years.Magna Carta ring a bell?LOL, but the USA still rely on an outdated piece of paper.As far as the allure and influence of Europe on American thought, my feelings are my ancestors left Europe in 1620 for very good reason and I see no good reason not to follow their example by maintaining separation, physically and philosophically.So you still think the European countries have the same mindset today as in 1620? Hehe:) |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Yes a lot of other countries amend or change their constitutions to keep up with the times and remove totally outdated sections that are irrelevant in these modern days.The US Second Amendment comes to mind. Till this day nobody understand what it really means:) |
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