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Message 2046242 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 1:23:40 UTC

Very strange scenes:

Coronavirus protests: The moment a man in scrubs confronts drivers
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People protesting against the stay-at-home orders in Colorado were confronted by a man and woman dressed in medical uniforms - apparently issuing a silent rebuke to participants...

... Now the photojournalist behind the images tells the BBC what happened that day when "two worlds collided".

Meanwhile, some states are reopening businesses despite warnings from health experts that infections may spread...

... They "stood their ground", Ms McClaran said, even as some demonstrators shouted and hurled racist comments at the pair. "It was honestly heartbreaking to see,"...

... Those protesting say that the strict measures restricting movement and businesses... "I'm gonna do what I got to do to feed my family," he said. "If it means I got to risk my health then so be it… and yes even potentially the health of others. "My mortgage payments are late, my truck payment is late and if I lose either of those I'm dead in the water." When you're quarantining healthy people, that's tyranny, he added. "Our constitutional rights are getting viciously trampled right now...

... At least three states are now moving toward a reopening...

... At the helm of Georgia's largest city, Atlanta mayor Keisha Bottoms said the decision put her "at a loss". "As I look at the data and as I talk with our public health officials, I don't see that it's based on anything that's logical,"...



Heartbreaking politics indeed.

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Message 2046244 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 1:29:58 UTC - in response to Message 2046242.  
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Very strange scenes:

Coronavirus protests: The moment a man in scrubs confronts drivers
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... At least three states are now moving toward a reopening...

... At the helm of Georgia's largest city, Atlanta mayor Keisha Bottoms said the decision put her "at a loss". "As I look at the data and as I talk with our public health officials, I don't see that it's based on anything that's logical,"...

Facebook sort-of blocks anti-quarantine events – how many folks are actually behind these 'massive' protests online?
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... If there was any hope that the coronavirus crisis would put a stop to the culture wars that ravage American society...

... When all it takes is a click to join, where there is no fee, or delay, no need to turn up, or interact; when this is where the action is today. Just one click.

And yet, while everyone simultaneously knows that the entire thing is a castle built on sand, it is still amazing to us all that there can be hundreds of thousands of people signing up to anything in a matter of days. We still haven’t grown used to internet scale.

But at the same time, there are real world consequences. Georgia’s governor announced on Monday that he was going to lift the state’s restrictions on movement, opening up gyms, restaurants, hair salons, massage studios and other businesses on Friday. Yes, this Friday.

It is an extraordinarily dangerous experiment on the state’s 10.7m residents given the contagious nature of COVID-19. And it has been driven directly by perceived political pressure driven by people whose expertise stretches no further than driving outrage.

And/Or... Is there some bad politics at play of "divide and conquer"?


Heartbreaking politics indeed.

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Message 2046246 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 1:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 2046244.  

Not that it's a good idea to open all those gyms, restaurants etc. but those businesses will expect to be paid, and there are going to be lots of people not going back to work, and struggling to pay for basics such as food, utilities and mortgage or rent.
Just one place in Georgia, Hartsfield–Jackson International Airport employs over 60,000 people on site plus many more in associated support businesses. Who with Trump's latest on immigration won't be going back to work soon.
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Message 2046259 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 2:38:24 UTC
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King Donald has touched the GOP.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/04/21/Gallup-Americans-more-concerned-with-getting-COVID-19-than-economic-fallout/8821587498468/?ds=2
April 21 (UPI) -- The coronavirus pandemic tops the list of the most important problems facing Americans, a poll released Tuesday indicates.

The Gallup poll found that 45 percent of Americans find COVID-19 to be the biggest problem facing the United States, up from 13 percent in March.

The remaining responses were healthcare and the economy in general at 6 percent each

So as the GOP follow King Donald's order and reopens, something only 6% of Americans care about, and COVID-19 blows up exponentially, will the GOP have a future? When those GOP have to lock their states down for the second time and likely for a longer second lock down with more restrictions than the first, how is their GOP base going to respond and how about the democrats?

Everything King Donald touches dies. Brought to you by the Dorr brothers conspiracy ;-)
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Message 2046261 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 2:54:00 UTC
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Oh, my, was the poll leaked to King Donald?
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/04/21/White-House-on-Trump-order-to-block-migrants-Action-is-necessary/4491587486868/?spt=slh&or=3
A plan by President Donald Trump to temporarily close off U.S. borders to migrants during the coronavirus crisis

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/04/21/Gallup-Americans-more-concerned-with-getting-COVID-19-than-economic-fallout/8821587498468/?ds=2
Concerns about ... immigration dropped from 8 percent in February to 2 percent in April.

Is his signature hate going away?
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Message 2046265 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 3:28:15 UTC
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King Donald?
Oh. The founding fathers of the United States of America are shivering in their graves.
For all good reasons.
Did "We the free people" wanted that to happen?
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Message 2046267 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 3:32:12 UTC

Trumps claims for anti-malarial drug in dispute, and his golf courses and hotels not doing well.
Anti-malarial drug Trump touted is linked to higher rates of death in VA coronavirus patients, study says
An anti-malarial drug President Trump has aggressively promoted to treat covid-19 had no benefit and was linked to higher rates of death for Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the novel coronavirus, according to a study, raising further questions about the safety and efficacy of a treatment that has seen widespread use in the pandemic.
The study by VA and academic researchers analyzed outcomes of 368 male patients nationwide, with 97 receiving hydroxychloroquine, 113 receiving hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, and 158 not receiving any hydroxychloroquine.
Rates of death in the groups treated with the drugs were worse than those who did not receive the drugs, the study found. Rates of patients on ventilators were roughly equal, with no benefit demonstrated by the drugs.
More than 27 percent of patients treated with hydroxychloroquine died, and 22 percent of those treated with the combination therapy died, compared with an 11.4 percent death rate in those not treated with the drugs, the study said. The results were from an observational study of outcomes and were not part of a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial, which is the gold standard for testing drugs.
The study was published on the site medrxiv.org, which is a clearinghouse for academic studies on the coronavirus that have not yet been peer-reviewed or published in academic journals.


Trump’s company asks federal government to include it in any rent relief offered to tenants
Negotiations over D.C. hotel test how the government deals with Trump’s firm

Across Trump’s company, the situation is equally dire. Of the 24 clubs and hotels in the United States and abroad, 18 are now closed, including six of the top seven revenue producers.
The company has laid off or furloughed more than 2,600 employees at hotels and golf clubs in New York, Florida, California, Nevada, Illinois and elsewhere.
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Message 2046322 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 12:37:17 UTC - in response to Message 2046277.  

US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has released a new report on Intel Community Assessment of Russian Interference with the 2016 US presidential election.

Select Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner:

The ICA summarizing intelligence concerning the 2016 election represented the kind of unbiased and professional work we expect and require from the Intelligence Community. The ICA correctly found the Russians interfered in our 2016 election to hurt Secretary Clinton and help the candidacy of Donald Trump.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-new-report-intel-community-assessment-russian-interference

And what should be said about those trumptards, who did and still continue this same Vladimir Putin’s work?


Mark Robert Warner (born December 15, 1954) is an American businessman and politician serving as the senior United States Senator from Virginia, first elected in 2008. He is a member of the Democratic Party and currently a Vice Chair of the Senate Democratic Caucus and the Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee.


.......says all that needs to be said about motivations of Mark Warner.........same as Schiff, Pelosi, and Humpty Dumpty Nadler.
Still trying to sell the discredited (by their own appointee, Mueller), Roosia, Roosia, Roosia, theory.

By the way, the over/under on this report was (as expected) right down party lines.

We'll soon see what Special Counsel John Durham has dug up...........stay tuned.

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Message 2046345 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:45:03 UTC - in response to Message 2046322.  

US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has released a new report on Intel Community Assessment of Russian Interference with the 2016 US presidential election.

Select Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner:

The ICA summarizing intelligence concerning the 2016 election represented the kind of unbiased and professional work we expect and require from the Intelligence Community. The ICA correctly found the Russians interfered in our 2016 election to hurt Secretary Clinton and help the candidacy of Donald Trump.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-new-report-intel-community-assessment-russian-interference

And what should be said about those trumptards, who did and still continue this same Vladimir Putin’s work?


Mark Robert Warner (born December 15, 1954) is an American businessman and politician serving as the senior United States Senator from Virginia, first elected in 2008. He is a member of the Democratic Party and currently a Vice Chair of the Senate Democratic Caucus and the Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee.


.......says all that needs to be said about motivations of Mark Warner.........same as Schiff, Pelosi, and Humpty Dumpty Nadler.
Still trying to sell the discredited (by their own appointee, Mueller), Roosia, Roosia, Roosia, theory.

By the way, the over/under on this report was (as expected) right down party lines.

We'll soon see what Special Counsel John Durham has dug up...........stay tuned.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) is only the vice chair.
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), the committee’s chairman. said
“Russia’s aggressive interference efforts should be considered ‘the new normal,’ That warning has been borne out by the events of the last three years, as Russia and its imitators increasingly use information warfare to sow societal chaos and discord. With the 2020 presidential election approaching, it’s more important than ever that we remain vigilant against the threat of interference from hostile foreign actors.”
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Message 2046347 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:50:01 UTC - in response to Message 2046345.  

US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has released a new report on Intel Community Assessment of Russian Interference with the 2016 US presidential election.

Select Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner:

The ICA summarizing intelligence concerning the 2016 election represented the kind of unbiased and professional work we expect and require from the Intelligence Community. The ICA correctly found the Russians interfered in our 2016 election to hurt Secretary Clinton and help the candidacy of Donald Trump.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-new-report-intel-community-assessment-russian-interference

And what should be said about those trumptards, who did and still continue this same Vladimir Putin’s work?


Mark Robert Warner (born December 15, 1954) is an American businessman and politician serving as the senior United States Senator from Virginia, first elected in 2008. He is a member of the Democratic Party and currently a Vice Chair of the Senate Democratic Caucus and the Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee.


.......says all that needs to be said about motivations of Mark Warner.........same as Schiff, Pelosi, and Humpty Dumpty Nadler.
Still trying to sell the discredited (by their own appointee, Mueller), Roosia, Roosia, Roosia, theory.

By the way, the over/under on this report was (as expected) right down party lines.

We'll soon see what Special Counsel John Durham has dug up...........stay tuned.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) is only the vice chair.
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), the committee’s chairman. said
“Russia’s aggressive interference efforts should be considered ‘the new normal,’ That warning has been borne out by the events of the last three years, as Russia and its imitators increasingly use information warfare to sow societal chaos and discord. With the 2020 presidential election approaching, it’s more important than ever that we remain vigilant against the threat of interference from hostile foreign actors.”

Some are deaf, blind and prejudiced and couldn't even realize the report was reported out by the Republican Majority US Senate. They will continue to deny it no matter what evidence is presented because they "believe." It is pretty much like that flat earth guy who recently killed himself.
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Message 2046353 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 14:56:12 UTC

“Russia’s aggressive interference efforts should be considered ‘the new normal,’ That warning has been borne out by the events of the last three years, as Russia and its imitators increasingly use information warfare to sow societal chaos and discord. With the 2020 presidential election approaching, it’s more important than ever that we remain vigilant against the threat of interference from hostile foreign actors.”


....and WHERE exactly in that quote does Senator Burr state that 'Roosia' conspired with the Trump campaign to defeat Hil-Liar-y and her flying monkeys?

OF COURSE the Russian government (and the Chinese government and the Iranian government and the D.P.R.K.) 'increasingly use information warfare to sow societal chaos and discord', the same as they have for many years. This is not news to anyone. And they have succeeded in driving a wedge between American citizens by sowing misinformation and enlisting the willing or unwitting support of various elected officials in that effort.

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Message 2046359 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 15:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 2046353.  
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https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume4.pdf
Page 48
Further, a body of reporting, to include different intelligence disciplines, open source reporting on Russian leadership policy preferences, and Russian media content, showed that Moscow sought to denigrate then-candidate Clinton


And just to kill off another point. Page 157
This report also provides additional evidence against Donald Trump s false assertions regarding Ukraine. For example, the Committee conducted an extensive examination of the intelligence demonstrating Russia's intrusions into DNC networks. That review, which confirmed the ICA's findings, is fundamentally incompatible with Trump's conspiracy theories about Ukrainian involvement, for which there is no supporting evidence of any kind.


Also a quick synopsis.
https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2020/4/senate-intel-releases-new-report-on-intel-community-assessment-of-russian-interference
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Message 2046419 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 21:59:32 UTC

It looks like v2.0 does want to start a war. :-(

Trump issues order to US navy to 'destroy' any Iranian boats that 'harass' them at sea.

So a bit of harmless "buzzing" was too much v2.0, but I guess that it also distracts from the mess that he's making at home. Meanwhile he's gone quiet on his so called "wonder drug".

Trump stops hyping hydroxychloroquine after study shows no benefit.

In fact in seems to be a bit hard on the heart for some patients, but v2.0's daily B.S. political campaigning speeches coronavirus briefings still leave a lot wondering what he's going on about (and he really should get a pair of reading glasses if he has to squint that hard to read those notes of his that are printed out in such big bold type for him) and where is Dr. Anthony Fauci these days?

Trump's coronavirus briefing casting keeps people guessing.

Anyhow I'm pretty sure that he'll come up with something else to help distract and focus his followers in ways that will fracture U.S. society even further (if not the world if he could).
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Message 2046431 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 22:48:52 UTC - in response to Message 2046419.  

... Meanwhile he's gone quiet on his so called "wonder drug".

Trump stops hyping hydroxychloroquine after study shows no benefit. wrote:
... Most recently, meeting former patients who had recovered from Covid-19, he pressed some on whether they or their loved ones had used it. “So you took the hydroxy?” he asked. “Why did you take the hydroxy? Why did you do that? You saw it on television?”

The malaria drug showed no benefit in a relatively large trial of its use at US veterans hospitals. An analysis showed that nearly a third of veterans at US military hospitals died when treated with hydroxychloroquine, a greater fraction than patients who received standard treatment.

“These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs,” researchers wrote...

... Trump earlier authorized the deployment of more than 25m doses of the drug from the national stockpile, creating a scarcity for those who use it to treat malaria, lupus and other illnesses...


Phew! That is totally damning.

With what excuse?


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Message 2046436 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 23:04:20 UTC - in response to Message 2046431.  

Well Trump said he had a feeling about that drug but the facts how he was wrong so he will continue to practice other voodoo medicine practices.
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Message 2046465 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 2:06:01 UTC

A doctor says he was removed after pressing for rigorous vetting of treatments embraced by Trump.
The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for a rigorous vetting of a coronavirus treatment embraced by President Trump. The doctor said that science, not “politics and cronyism,” must lead the way.

Dr. Rick Bright was abruptly dismissed this week as the director of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, and as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response.
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Message 2046468 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 2:37:45 UTC

Not looking good for ol' King Donald. He just might have to abdicate!

https://apnews.com/9ed271ca13012d3b77a2b631c1979ce1
Among all adults 87% think the restrictions are either not enough or about right.
Only a paltry 12% think they go too far. Remember the protests to open? An amoral minority. And when it backfires?!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-like-how-their-governor-is-handling-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
69% of Americans like how their state governor is doing things.
51% of Americans don't think King Donald is doing it well.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-battlegrounds-exclusive/exclusive-poll-signals-strengthening-support-for-biden-over-trump-in-three-midwest-battleground-states-idUSKCN2243KJ
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Republican President Donald Trump trails Democrat Joe Biden among registered voters in three Midwestern battleground states that he narrowly carried in 2016 and are seen as crucial to winning November’s election, according to an Ipsos public opinion poll conducted exclusively for Reuters.

The poll, which ran from April 15-20 in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, showed 45% of registered voters said they would support Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, while 39% said they would support Trump.

It also found that Biden, vice president under Trump’s predecessor Barack Obama, has an advantage of 3 percentage points among registered voters in Wisconsin, 6 points in Pennsylvania and 8 points in Michigan.


Maybe the GOP had better draft Romney while there is still time.
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Message 2046497 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 12:55:48 UTC - in response to Message 2046431.  

The Guardian........
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion,[8][9] and its reputation as a platform for liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian reader" and "Guardianista" as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or "politically correct" tendencies.


.......no radical Left axe to grind there................not.

... Meanwhile he's gone quiet on his so called "wonder drug".

Trump stops hyping hydroxychloroquine after study shows no benefit. wrote:
... Most recently, meeting former patients who had recovered from Covid-19, he pressed some on whether they or their loved ones had used it. “So you took the hydroxy?” he asked. “Why did you take the hydroxy? Why did you do that? You saw it on television?”

The malaria drug showed no benefit in a relatively large trial of its use at US veterans hospitals. An analysis showed that nearly a third of veterans at US military hospitals died when treated with hydroxychloroquine, a greater fraction than patients who received standard treatment.

“These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs,” researchers wrote...

... Trump earlier authorized the deployment of more than 25m doses of the drug from the national stockpile, creating a scarcity for those who use it to treat malaria, lupus and other illnesses...


Phew! That is totally damning.

With what excuse?


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Sounds to me like 'anecdotal' tales of woe...........and from the all doubters POV, what percentage of those "third of veterans at US military hospitals" had pre-diagnosed terminal comorbidity?

Always something left out that doesn't quite fit the narrative. That's called fake news by omission.

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Message 2046501 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 13:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 2046436.  

Well Trump said he had a feeling about that drug but the facts how he was wrong so he will continue to practice other voodoo medicine practices.



He will never, ever admit that he was wrong. He will blame the drug for "failing".

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Message 2046502 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 13:05:53 UTC - in response to Message 2046497.  

The Guardian........
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion,[8][9] and its reputation as a platform for liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian reader" and "Guardianista" as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or "politically correct" tendencies.


.......no radical Left axe to grind there................not.
As a life-long reader of, and now subscriber to, the Guardian, I don't mind the jokes - the other two common ones are that Guardian reading is confined to beard-owners and sandal-wearers. Guilty to both. But a falsehood that applies neither to me personally, nor to what we know of the readership in general, is that the Guardian readership is left-wing - i.e. on one of the extreme fringes of British politics.
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