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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
No, the cracks are not in the right(?) places to be affected by adding the diesel engine. There appears to have been a change to how some of the dampers are mounted at the vehicle end (as opposed to the bogie end). Such attachment points have given a lot of manufacturers issues over the years, they have to be strong enough, but flexible at the same time; get them too rigid, or too flexible, and cracks will come along sooner or later, and in this case it is sooner. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Many have known that greed & stupidity has been with us for many a year. Many are also aware that there have been times when they have been holding hands. Sadly, it has taken a virulent pandemic to show just how blatant they are. It is understood one of the issues under consideration is possible quarantine exemptions, but no decisions have yet been made.Profits talk, safety walks If any of the "little people" breach covid regulations, out come the tibbies with their little Fine notebooks. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Sadly, another deadly case of greed over safety?... Italy cable car fall: Three arrested over fatal accident wrote: Three people have been arrested in Italy over Sunday's cable car accident that left 14 dead. From my personal humble uneducated view and wild conjecture and suppositions: Is there a possible scenario of the operators wishing to increase the daily passenger numbers despite the COVID restrictions restricting the number of people to be carried on each trip? Hence... Operate the cars at greater speed? Except, quite correctly the safety (overspeed) brakes activate to safely stop the cars from going too fast... Hence disable the brake to allow excessive speed? And the final killer is that the greater speed increases the strain on the tow cable which is then snapped at the steepest part of the climb...? In my view, mechanical ignorance is no excuse. Greed kills. All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
From my personal humble uneducated view and wild conjecture and suppositions: Martin, 3 points I'd like you to consider. 1: 1st line has now gone beyond boring. 2: You have been on the Internet long enough to know the established shortcuts. 3: Using one of them in the same post makes a nonsense of the 1st line. Please refrain from posting such idioms on my threads at least. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Just the usual disclaimers ma'am, in our overly litigious world resplendently awash with the desperately overly rabid legal 'opportunists'... (Also stating that I know nothing about cable car systems.) ... All allegedly! All in our one greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
IMHO IMO IMV Any of those are acceptable compared to B/S. BTW, when did I become a female lawyer? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Which is where the legal systems need untangling so that there is a far easier and less costly route to chasing up the consequences of cheap shoddy greed and the trickery of pushing costs onto others who were otherwise uninvolved... All a very nasty 'game'?... Buildings 'service charges' are another whole world of cons. Sadly, seen that sort of thing too many times... All in our badly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... From my personal [wildly inaccurate assumptions]: So, I got the guessing about the disabled safety brake wrong. My assumptions were not bad enough!! Italy cable car: Video suggests emergency brake disabled years before Was the deadly greedy overly speedy operation pushed all the way back to 2014?!!... In my view, mechanical ignorance is no excuse. All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
"It's all going to the shipping lines. They're working together. It's like a cartel out there."Covid - Shippers dream Meanwhile, Peppermill Interior's Mr Humphreys has written to the prime minister, and several other government ministers, calling for action to combat what he calls "unethical business practices" by shipping lines.Mr Humphreys, stop believing you will see pigs fly. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19402 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Could this collapse of the Miami condo complex be another case of 'profits first' Engineer reportedly warned in 2018 of ‘major damage’ at Miami condo complex A consultant engineer warned three years before the deadly collapse of a South Florida condominium building that there was evidence of “major structural damage” to the concrete slab below the pool deck and abundant cracking and crumbling in the underground parking garage, the New York Times reported on Saturday. From thr NYT; Images of concrete spall At the ground level of the complex, vehicles can drive in next to a pool deck where residents would lounge in the sun. Mr. Morabito in 2018 said that the waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive was failing, “causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas.” |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
... and cause a major disturbance to residents.Well, they got that bit right. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Oooer... Thanks for that. Ouch. To my personal uneducated reading and random opinion: That reads like an original minimum cost rush build, with no cares for doing a bodge fit for example if the windows didn't fit. Years later, the patch and cover-up has left the building effectively deteriorated beyond economic repair. Pages 7/8/9 might suggest that years later after that report, some of those covered-up corroded cracks had cracked too far... There appears to be some good hints in there that full access was not given by the Champlain personnel... What else was hidden? The regulations are there. Where is the enforcement? As is all too often the case, there is a desperately sad ending for everyone except those who have run off with the profits. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Oooer... Thanks for that. Ouch.Not the condo, but another concrete project, showing that ongoing inspections are a requirement. At least this one was a public project where you couldn't hide behind LLC and push out repairs until failure. https://www.sixthstreetviaduct.org/about_the_project Unfortunately, due to seismic vulnerability and a rare chemical reaction in the cement supports, it was determined that the original Sixth Street Viaduct needed to be replaced.(Is that reaction rare?) Looking at all the reports individually they all sound like needs some work not a big deal yet. Put all the reports together and you wonder why the building wasn't red-tagged. This seems to be where some regulatory oversight is needed, force consideration of all the reports as a group. Perhaps require them to be sent to the liability insurance company so they can either force repair or cancel. And with a little regulation must have liability insurance you get the building fixed. (Oh wait - didn't SCOTUS toss laws to have [health] insurance it could only be around as a "TAX?!") |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Nope. Reactions are not "rare". They are physics and completely repeatable, consistently, persistently. Is the "rare" aspect something in the construction method or the mix of materials used? Considering this is in the building/construction industry, that 'rare' reaction may well be that this is the first to be publicly noticed on something big... Meanwhile, going back to Miami, personally I would very definitely not be still in the identically constructed 'other' Champlain building! Miami building collapse: What could have caused it? wrote: ... A short distance away is Champlain Towers North, built to an almost identical design. Why has that building not immediately already been checked and/or evacuated? Considering the building collapse, from my uneducated personal view, that looks like the debris fallout from the ground level concrete slab collapsing by the pool skittled the (likely already weakened) supports for that nearby part of the building. Further supports then failed like toppled dominoes. All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Doesn't say much for Construction in America. Then again, Profit takes precedence over everything else. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Given that this was in Miami, my first two thoughts on hearing about the collapse were 1) Mafia/Mob building standards 2) Sink hole |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
bribes are often less expensive than time and materials |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
but never addressed by the homeowners association. One must remember, Florida is a conservative red state; you must remember that conservatives are loathe to raise taxes to spend money on a shared problem; hence the homeowners association made of conservatives not spending money on reparis necessitating a raise in the monthly fee should come not as a surprise, but an expectation! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
but never addressed by the homeowners association. Not quite. Developer throws up new building, forms an HOA. That HOA is run by the developer until he sells off all the units. Then the buyers are in charge of the HOA. That's when it starts to go to hell. Hence why thy should be called condemnaminium not condominium. An apartment is more like a condo before all the units are sold, the originator still has sole interest in the entire property so stuff gets fixed, exception being a slumlord. |
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