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Message 2075320 - Posted: 8 May 2021, 19:45:24 UTC - in response to Message 2075316.  

No, the cracks are not in the right(?) places to be affected by adding the diesel engine.
There appears to have been a change to how some of the dampers are mounted at the vehicle end (as opposed to the bogie end). Such attachment points have given a lot of manufacturers issues over the years, they have to be strong enough, but flexible at the same time; get them too rigid, or too flexible, and cracks will come along sooner or later, and in this case it is sooner.
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Message 2075470 - Posted: 10 May 2021, 15:51:13 UTC

Many have known that greed & stupidity has been with us for many a year.
Many are also aware that there have been times when they have been holding hands.
Sadly, it has taken a virulent pandemic to show just how blatant they are.
It is understood one of the issues under consideration is possible quarantine exemptions, but no decisions have yet been made.
On Friday, transport secretary Grant Shapps said Covid-19 red list countries "should not be visited except in the most extreme circumstances".
He added that the government was open to hosting the game in the UK.
Profits talk, safety walks
If any of the "little people" breach covid regulations, out come the tibbies with their little Fine notebooks.
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Message 2076633 - Posted: 26 May 2021, 15:30:29 UTC
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Sadly, another deadly case of greed over safety?...

Italy cable car fall: Three arrested over fatal accident
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Three people have been arrested in Italy over Sunday's cable car accident that left 14 dead.

Investigators say the emergency brakes had been disabled and the three members of the operating company were aware.

According to a local transport official, the brake failure meant the car was travelling at over 100km/h (62 mph) [after] the cable broke...

... the brake had been tampered with in a "conscious act" ... clamp had been placed over the emergency brake, which had been malfunctioning ... the suspects had believed that the cable would never break...

... the towing cable failed at about 12:30 (10:30 GMT) as the gondola neared the end of its 20-minute journey to the top of the mountain... It [had] recently reopened following the lifting of coronavirus measures. Numbers inside the gondolas were restricted.


From my personal humble uneducated view and wild conjecture and suppositions:

Is there a possible scenario of the operators wishing to increase the daily passenger numbers despite the COVID restrictions restricting the number of people to be carried on each trip? Hence... Operate the cars at greater speed? Except, quite correctly the safety (overspeed) brakes activate to safely stop the cars from going too fast... Hence disable the brake to allow excessive speed? And the final killer is that the greater speed increases the strain on the tow cable which is then snapped at the steepest part of the climb...?


In my view, mechanical ignorance is no excuse.

Greed kills.

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Message 2076664 - Posted: 26 May 2021, 22:30:02 UTC - in response to Message 2076633.  

From my personal humble uneducated view and wild conjecture and suppositions:
In my view, mechanical ignorance is no excuse.

Martin, 3 points I'd like you to consider.
1: 1st line has now gone beyond boring.
2: You have been on the Internet long enough to know the established shortcuts.
3: Using one of them in the same post makes a nonsense of the 1st line.

Please refrain from posting such idioms on my threads at least.
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Message 2076668 - Posted: 26 May 2021, 22:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 2076664.  
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... Just the usual disclaimers ma'am, in our overly litigious world resplendently awash with the desperately overly rabid legal 'opportunists'...

(Also stating that I know nothing about cable car systems.)

... All allegedly!


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Message 2076669 - Posted: 26 May 2021, 23:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 2076668.  

IMHO
IMO
IMV
Any of those are acceptable compared to B/S.
BTW, when did I become a female lawyer?
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Message 2077021 - Posted: 1 Jun 2021, 12:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 2077012.  
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Which is where the legal systems need untangling so that there is a far easier and less costly route to chasing up the consequences of cheap shoddy greed and the trickery of pushing costs onto others who were otherwise uninvolved...

All a very nasty 'game'?...

Buildings 'service charges' are another whole world of cons.


Sadly, seen that sort of thing too many times...

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Message 2077134 - Posted: 2 Jun 2021, 14:44:07 UTC - in response to Message 2076633.  

... From my personal [wildly inaccurate assumptions]:

Is there a possible scenario of the operators wishing to increase the daily passenger numbers despite the COVID restrictions restricting the number of people to be carried on each trip? Hence... Operate the cars at greater speed? Except, quite correctly the safety (overspeed) brakes activate to safely stop the cars from going too fast... Hence disable the brake to allow excessive speed? And the final killer is that the greater speed increases the strain on the tow cable which is then snapped at the steepest part of the climb...?

So, I got the guessing about the disabled safety brake wrong. My assumptions were not bad enough!!

Italy cable car: Video suggests emergency brake disabled years before

Was the deadly greedy overly speedy operation pushed all the way back to 2014?!!...


In my view, mechanical ignorance is no excuse.

Greed kills.


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Message 2078280 - Posted: 20 Jun 2021, 12:03:04 UTC

"It's all going to the shipping lines. They're working together. It's like a cartel out there."
Covid - Shippers dream
Meanwhile, Peppermill Interior's Mr Humphreys has written to the prime minister, and several other government ministers, calling for action to combat what he calls "unethical business practices" by shipping lines.
So far, he says, he has had no response.
Mr Humphreys, stop believing you will see pigs fly.
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Message 2078669 - Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 14:52:42 UTC

Could this collapse of the Miami condo complex be another case of 'profits first'

Engineer reportedly warned in 2018 of ‘major damage’ at Miami condo complex
A consultant engineer warned three years before the deadly collapse of a South Florida condominium building that there was evidence of “major structural damage” to the concrete slab below the pool deck and abundant cracking and crumbling in the underground parking garage, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

From thr NYT; Images of concrete spall
At the ground level of the complex, vehicles can drive in next to a pool deck where residents would lounge in the sun. Mr. Morabito in 2018 said that the waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive was failing, “causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas.”
The report added that “failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially.” The problem, he said, was that the waterproofing was laid on a concrete slab that was flat, not sloped in a way that would allow water to run off, an issue he called a “major error” in the original design. The replacement would be “extremely expensive,” he warned, and cause a major disturbance to residents.
In the parking garage, which largely sits at the bottom level of the building, part of it under the pool deck, Mr. Morabito said that there were signs of distress and fatigue.
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Message 2078674 - Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 16:01:10 UTC - in response to Message 2078669.  

... and cause a major disturbance to residents.
Well, they got that bit right.
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Message 2078685 - Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 18:05:30 UTC
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Here's the link to the full 2018, Champlain Towers South Condominium, Structural Field Survey Report. It's pretty bad, and I would not want to live in such a badly maintained building.

https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---structural-field-survey-report.pdf

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CHAMPLAIN TOWERS PUBLIC RECORDS & MEDIA INFORMATION
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Message 2078691 - Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 19:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 2078685.  

Oooer... Thanks for that. Ouch.

To my personal uneducated reading and random opinion:

That reads like an original minimum cost rush build, with no cares for doing a bodge fit for example if the windows didn't fit. Years later, the patch and cover-up has left the building effectively deteriorated beyond economic repair. Pages 7/8/9 might suggest that years later after that report, some of those covered-up corroded cracks had cracked too far...

There appears to be some good hints in there that full access was not given by the Champlain personnel... What else was hidden?


The regulations are there. Where is the enforcement?

As is all too often the case, there is a desperately sad ending for everyone except those who have run off with the profits.


Stay safe folks!
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Message 2078695 - Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 20:34:14 UTC - in response to Message 2078691.  

Oooer... Thanks for that. Ouch.

To my personal uneducated reading and random opinion:

That reads like an original minimum cost rush build, with no cares for doing a bodge fit for example if the windows didn't fit. Years later, the patch and cover-up has left the building effectively deteriorated beyond economic repair. Pages 7/8/9 might suggest that years later after that report, some of those covered-up corroded cracks had cracked too far...

There appears to be some good hints in there that full access was not given by the Champlain personnel... What else was hidden?


The regulations are there. Where is the enforcement?

As is all too often the case, there is a desperately sad ending for everyone except those who have run off with the profits.


Stay safe folks!
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Not the condo, but another concrete project, showing that ongoing inspections are a requirement. At least this one was a public project where you couldn't hide behind LLC and push out repairs until failure.
https://www.sixthstreetviaduct.org/about_the_project
Unfortunately, due to seismic vulnerability and a rare chemical reaction in the cement supports, it was determined that the original Sixth Street Viaduct needed to be replaced.
(Is that reaction rare?)

Looking at all the reports individually they all sound like needs some work not a big deal yet. Put all the reports together and you wonder why the building wasn't red-tagged. This seems to be where some regulatory oversight is needed, force consideration of all the reports as a group. Perhaps require them to be sent to the liability insurance company so they can either force repair or cancel. And with a little regulation must have liability insurance you get the building fixed. (Oh wait - didn't SCOTUS toss laws to have [health] insurance it could only be around as a "TAX?!")
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Message 2078863 - Posted: 29 Jun 2021, 15:42:16 UTC - in response to Message 2078695.  
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Nope. Reactions are not "rare". They are physics and completely repeatable, consistently, persistently.

Is the "rare" aspect something in the construction method or the mix of materials used?

Considering this is in the building/construction industry, that 'rare' reaction may well be that this is the first to be publicly noticed on something big...


Meanwhile, going back to Miami, personally I would very definitely not be still in the identically constructed 'other' Champlain building!

Miami building collapse: What could have caused it?
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... A short distance away is Champlain Towers North, built to an almost identical design.

Residents are seeking reassurance that their buildings do not face similar problems and local authorities have ordered checks to be carried out...

Why has that building not immediately already been checked and/or evacuated?


Considering the building collapse, from my uneducated personal view, that looks like the debris fallout from the ground level concrete slab collapsing by the pool skittled the (likely already weakened) supports for that nearby part of the building. Further supports then failed like toppled dominoes.


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Message 2079158 - Posted: 4 Jul 2021, 10:38:26 UTC
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Not surprising, more buildings in Miami are in a bad shape. This is just the beginning, and it has been known by the City for years. (Corruption?)

Crestview Towers Condo Association. This building is located at 2025 NE 164th St, North Miami Beach.

Crestview Towers condo in North Miami Beach evacuated due to unsafe conditions

And another one. This building is located at 1619 Lenox Avenue, Miami Beach.

Apartment building in Miami Beach evacuated after structural issues discovered
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Message 2079160 - Posted: 4 Jul 2021, 11:24:23 UTC

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Message 2079161 - Posted: 4 Jul 2021, 11:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 2079158.  

Doesn't say much for Construction in America.
Then again, Profit takes precedence over everything else.
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Message 2079163 - Posted: 4 Jul 2021, 12:20:43 UTC - in response to Message 2079161.  

Doesn't say much for Construction in America.
Then again, Profit takes precedence over everything else.

Well, I believe this applies to the entire western world. We've fallen for the flawed idea, that we can combine Capitalism/Profit, with Democracy,
Liberalism, and eternal growth. That flawed thinking, will if we do not change our course, lead to authoritarian rule, fascism, and dictatorship.
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