It is highly probable that no other air-authority will permit 737MAX flights until the FAA as the "lead" authority for Boeing re-activates the 737MAX certificate of air worthiness. This is down to the way the inter-national certification system works - The lead authority certifies, then the rest follow (hours, days or weeks later). However, when it comes to suspension/revocation of a certificate any authority can act when it feels it has sufficient evidence for their action.

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I guess it's a bit like imported U.S. cars here that are sold with very low ANCAP ratings.

When the best of them only come with 3 stars (Ford Mustang Coupe) and then all the way down to 1 star (Jeep Wrangler) for those few tested here (we're use to 4-5 star ratings here even back when we made a few here our selves) and those U.S. brands that did rate 4-5 stars here wern't even produced in the U.S. to begin with, but we do have several makes/models on the road here that have never been tested and experts reckon that they'd be at least as bad as other U.S. built vehicles (even the Chinese can do a bit better these days, but not by much, though at they have theirs tested here). :-O

I'd be surprised if those models that did rate high are now still capable of rating that high seeing as some of those plants are now closed and manufacturing returned to the U.S..

And now that our cops are using those Chrysler 300 SRT's as highway patrol cars I bet they'll get tested as soon as the 1st 1 is involved in an accident and the 300 range has been sold here for years now, but has never been tested here for some strange reason.

Even my old '95 Aussie made girl rated 5 stars back in her day and is still capable of 4 stars (having no stability control dropped that 5 star rating).

Cheers.

Running out of car park space at Renton?

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Hmm...
Ethical trading initiative...
...not very ethical trading done here
As Dame Vera is 102, I bet they thought she's not long for this world so lets make a huge profit from her name.
In 25 years of living in London, 18 of those years in East London, not once did I hear Vera Lynn being slang for gin.

Running out of car park space at Renton?

Maybe so...

Or... An indicator that MCAS still yet needs 'fixing'?...


Deadly 737 Max jets no longer a Boeing concern – for now: Production suspended after biz runs out of parking space

That kill-everyone-onboard flaw that was supposed to be fixed by now? Yep, still an issue

Boeing said on Monday that it plans to temporarily suspend the production of its 737 Max jets next month to focus on clearing out the 400 or so aircraft currently grounded in storage...

... Claiming to be committed to safety, Boeing said it awaits word from the FAA and other aviation regulators as to the timeline for the airplane's certification and return to service.

"We believe this decision is least disruptive to maintaining long-term production system and supply chain health," the aerospace biz said in a statement. "This decision is driven by a number of factors, including the extension of certification into 2020, the uncertainty about the timing and conditions of return to service and global training approvals, and the importance of ensuring that we can prioritize the delivery of stored aircraft."...

... DeFazio said that back in 1996 he pushed for the removal of the FAA's statutory mandate to "promote" the aviation industry. In light of rumors he cited about pressure among those within the FAA to accommodate airlines and plane makers, he wants the agency to focus on safety and oversight.



Will the 'new improved' MCAS pass all tests safely and for good safety?

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All for profit and noone cares?


Alphabet, Apple, Dell, Tesla, Microsoft exploit child labor to mine cobalt for batteries, human-rights warriors claim

Woke tech giants sued for 'knowingly benefiting from ... the cruel and brutal use of young children'

Updated Google-parent Alphabet, Apple, Dell, Microsoft, and Tesla have been accused of "knowingly benefiting from and aiding and abetting the cruel and brutal use of young children in Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) to mine cobalt,"...



All for greed and no cares?

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All for profit and no one cares?

to mine cobalt,"...

Cobalt batteries to solve global warming ....

Two good comments on YouTube for the imminent Boeing 737 Max production stop:


Boeing halt Max8 production - The TRUTH - Prof Simon

Why are Boeing halting their 737 Max 8 production line from Jan 2020?

Prof Simon has an opinion...


Boeing stops production of the Boeing 737MAX! - Mentour Pilot

... How will this affect Boeing and the rest of the Aviation Industry and why is it happening NOW?...



Damning and with big consequences...

Yet will the Boeing Management and the FAA yet squirm out of that?

And will Muilenburg keep his (bloodied money) $millions?


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And will Muilenburg keep his (bloodied money) $millions?

Ask Bob Diamond or Phillip Green that.
Not trustworthy

She said the EASA's executive director Patrick Ky had reassured her that "he would not be caving" to either the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US regulator, or Boeing in terms of reclassifying whether the 737 Max is safe for European air travel.

And will Muilenburg keep his (bloodied money) $millions?

Ask Bob Diamond or Phillip Green that.

OK... So what are their connection/influence?...

Not trustworthy

She said the EASA's executive director Patrick Ky had reassured her that "he would not be caving" to either the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US regulator, or Boeing in terms of reclassifying whether the 737 Max is safe for European air travel.

Also note:

Ms Kuria said: "I think the more discovery is done, the more reason we are finding not to trust [Boeing] when it comes to the 737 Max.

"There are so many things that were hidden that shouldn't have been, so many things that were bypassed that shouldn't have been and I think every time we sit down and have a hearing or hear from an aviation authority on documents of discovery we just find out how preventable the death of our loved ones was."

Mr Ky said that the European regulator will "take their time to recertify" the plane.

Ms Kuria also said her safety concerns not only relate to the plane's automated flight control system which malfunctioned before both crashes but other critical safety systems on board the 737 Max. During the meeting, EASA said "they would reassess all the critical safety systems that are on the 737 Max", according to Ms Kuria.

Hopefully the increased scrutiny will be an exemplar and a positive 'wake-up' for the whole aviation industry AND the regulators alike.

As we've argued all along in this and the previous thread, the Boeing 737 Max disaster should never have happened. And certainly not TWICE.



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This explanation and demonstration beautifully shows my (most humble ignorant personal) concerns that the 737 Max may very well be dangerously compromised for safe flight:


Boeing 737 Stall Escape manoeuvre, why MAX needs MCAS!!

Why does the Boeing 737MAX 8 need MCAS in the first place?

I am guessing that you guys have heard the word "MCAS" and "Jackscrew" being thrown around in Media the last few days but what do they actually mean? In this video I will teach you all you need to know in order to execute an "Approach to Stall and Escape" manoeuvre. I will explain why we do the things we do and WHY the Boeing 737NG is Different to the Boeing 737MAX in this regard.



Note how the video is very carefully worded and is well crafted as always. Nicely described...

The big point to note for that demonstration is for the response to a stall recovery...

For my piloting of admittedly very much smaller private aircraft, the stall recovery is to use the control stick (or "yoke") to push the nose down to regain airspeed and secondly immediately apply increased throttle (engine power/thrust) and gently recover and level the wings. That can be done without much loss of height. Indeed, the last of a series of stall tests I did with an examiner was when we were down at a mere 1500' (we still stayed above 1000' throughout even for a full stall with 'no engine').

In contrast for what I see there for the 737 NG, the powerful off-axis thrust large underslung engines for that plane require delaying applying increased thrust until some time after the nose is lowered and altitude has been converted into airspeed. The required delay before applying increased thrust is due to the danger of that increased thrust from those low slung engines pushing the nose up to push the plane back into a stall. Note especially that for the demonstrated stall recovery, a combination of the control stick AND manual trim were used to recover from the stall. Thousands of feet altitude were needed for the recovery.

The 737 Max has larger engines that are low slung and are yet further forward. That can be expected to cause yet further adverse nose up to make stall recovery more difficult. So much so that the pilots will now lose all control from the elevators and so the ONLY recovery is to use the entire tailplane surface via that trim jackscrew?...

Note also that the tailplane jackscrew was never intended (or designed) to be used as a fighter-jet-style fly-by-wire system!

Really, is the 737 Max safe for all the circumstances for stall recovery?


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Really, is the 737 Max safe for all the circumstances for stall recovery?

No. That's why they put MCAS in the plane in the first place, to make sure it wasn't possible to stall it! And remember the magnitude was found out late in the flight testing so the whole thing was a hack.

Unstable airplanes are just bad design covered up by software. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

And will Muilenburg keep his (bloodied money) $millions?

Ask Bob Diamond or Phillip Green that.

OK... So what are their connection/influence?.

A sensible answer to a stupid question.

Gary - how often do you have to be told - MCAS was NOT put in to prevent a stall, just make it "easier" to recover from one. The NG & MAX are both inherently stable, they "naturally" handle slightly differently during a stall, and MCAS is there to make the MAX handle the same as the NG. If you want to avoid flying in an aircraft that does not rely on computers to help the pilot I suggest you restrict yourself to older Cessna the like, as just about every current civil airliner uses computer assistance to reduce pilot work-loads and that includes many newer single engine Cessna & Piper!

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More technical problems for Boeing

Duh! You had me going on that one!

Ok, so they got the MCAS for that one overly trigger happy and so they've burnt all their fuel to again overshoot the target...

At least this time it was a nose-up rather than a nose-down... And they (overly) increase their margin for missing the earth...


Way to go?...

(Apologies for the extremely bad puns!)

More testing needed?...


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The only "good" news about that one is that it was unmanned and not carrying anything of importance to the ISS. That apart it joins a very long list of first-flight failures in space.

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... That apart it joins a very long list of first-flight failures in space.

This is Rocket Science after all...

Careful now...

Fly safe!

(If you're going to click one of those links, you really should be clicking both in sequence ;-) Enjoy!)



Here's hoping the rest of the Boeing systems fully sensibly work,

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More technical problems for Boeing

Duh! You had me going on that one!

LOL.
Well, you did ask me to title links correctly.