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NVidia 436.xx and later drivers can cause very long compute times especially on Arecibo VHAR work units
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Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
The complaint really should go into the Nvidia Developer's Forum. But . . . . there is no subforum for OpenCL and it even rarely comes up in a keyword search of the entire forum. The closest match probably would be the GPU-Accelerated Libraries subforum. This is a compute issue and not a gaming or graphics issue. Complaining in a graphics oriented gaming forum will get lost in the noise. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Bruce N. Goren Send message Joined: 1 Jul 99 Posts: 15 Credit: 11,329,118 RAC: 32 |
I put a comment up here - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/studio-drivers/39/332833/nvidia-studio-driver-44166-feedback-thread-release/ Feel free to add on and amplify. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
I put a comment up here - Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Michael E. Send message Joined: 25 Jun 16 Posts: 16 Credit: 4,831,884 RAC: 30 |
It has been a while since I messed with Windows drivers or registry entries, plus and I am not familiar with NVidia GPU drivers. I attempted to "roll-back" the GPU driver using Windows Device Manager > Display Adapters > NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti > right-click Properties > Driver tab > Roll Back Driver In reply to the reason, I typed: incompatibility with seti@home GPU processing I then rebooted. Everything is working OK but I do not know the current driver number. How do I find the driver number to check it is in 431.60? Maybe find and Right-click the executable file and then choose its properties? Another question is can I use seti@home beta for GPU processing? Thanks! Mike |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
According to your host page you only rolled back to 441.08 which still has the issue. It will pop up again when you get more VHAR tasks. I would recommend using DDU to totally wipe out the old drivers and don't allow Microsoft to manage your 3rd party drivers which should come straight from nvidia. Download DDU, reboot your computer into SAFE mode, then run DDU under safe mode. reboot back into the normal OS, install the drivers from nvidia using their installer and select the install without Geforce Experience. Then stop using the Windows interface to manage drivers, do it manually. DDU can be obtained here then download the 431.60 driver straight from nvidia here: Nvidia Windows 10 x64 driver: 431.60 Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Speedy Send message Joined: 26 Jun 04 Posts: 1643 Credit: 12,921,799 RAC: 89 |
Under advanced options would doing a clean install of driver 431.60 not do the same thing? |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
not always. DDU does a deeper level removal than "Clean Install" if you're not having issues with your existing drivers then Clean Install can be OK to get new drivers in. but best to totally wipe it all with DDU. I've just made it a habit whenever I change drivers on Windows to use this method. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Speedy Send message Joined: 26 Jun 04 Posts: 1643 Credit: 12,921,799 RAC: 89 |
Fair enough. Thanks for the insight |
BoincSpy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 146 Credit: 124,775,115 RAC: 353 |
What we need is a game that exhibits these issues... Priority bump will occur... :) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36841 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
What we need is a game that exhibits these issues... Priority bump will occur... :)Do you know of any games that run under OpenCL? Cheers. |
Michael E. Send message Joined: 25 Jun 16 Posts: 16 Credit: 4,831,884 RAC: 30 |
On my Windows 10 PC, I tried to use the supplied driver link in this thread provided by Ian&Steve C. from https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/148865/en-us but got an error dialog titled "NVIDIA Installer cannot continue" when starting the installation that "your system is configured to require a DCH package". I have a screen cap of this dialog if needed. So I contacted NVIDIA support and they eventually provided me with a link to a 431.60 DCH WHQL driver at https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/148868/en-us I downloaded the install executable and viewed it in the download directory and choose the "Run as Administrator" right-click option. I chose the default unpack directory. I accepted the license agreement and chose a Custom (Advanced) install. I checked the box for "Perform a clean install" . I needed to reboot for the install to continue. So the 431.60 driver is installed and seti@home GPU tasks are again processing OK. Yeah! Among the symptoms when using the current driver were tasks that would have 5 minutes Remaining that would change to 1-2 days Remaining once started. Once the old 431.60 driver was installed, these tasks processed and completed normally. I did not yet install DDU once I understand what it does. if not, I will keep the 431.60 downloaded file handy so I can reinstall it if the auto-update feature hammers the old 431.60 driver. I have the NVIDIA support case open (Incident: 191219-000590) and the emailed chat summary. Contact me if you need the details. Mike (aka Michael E.) |
Michael E. Send message Joined: 25 Jun 16 Posts: 16 Credit: 4,831,884 RAC: 30 |
I went to https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/studio-drivers/39/332833/nvidia-studio-driver-44166-feedback-thread-release/ and upvoted Bruce's comments. I also added my incident case info as a reply (name etzmike). A seti@home developer needs to submit the bug report. Mike |
Bill Send message Joined: 30 Nov 05 Posts: 282 Credit: 6,916,194 RAC: 60 |
]I posted about this problem awhile ago, and I just checked that post: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/notifications/comment/31112/.Sorry, I had the wrong link in there (thanks, Jacob!) The link that EVERYONE can see is here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/320827/official-geforce-43648-game-ready-driver-feedback-/2287722/ Seti@home classic: 1,456 results, 1.613 years CPU time |
BoincSpy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 146 Credit: 124,775,115 RAC: 353 |
Does any one know how to get a hold of the authors of the code? Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan SSE3xj Win32 Build 3584 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale SETI8 update by Raistmer OpenCL version by Raistmer, r358 |
BoincSpy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 146 Credit: 124,775,115 RAC: 353 |
There are some posts that make mention of Planet Explorers and Mafia II...But these are fairly old games... |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
Does any one know how to get a hold of the authors of the code? AFAIK Raistmer is still around and participating on the forums, the others i not hear from them for a long time. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
AFAIK Raistmer is still around and participating on the forums, the others i not hear from them for a long time. Raistmer is the only developer still around for the Windows apps. All the rest moved on or passed away. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
Sorry Mike, didn't know needed the DCH driver, but had you totally wiped out the existing driver with DDU, it wouldn't have mattered. For reference, you can download both the Standard driver and the DCH driver direct from Nvidia, you just have to select 'DCH' in the dropdown window during driver selection for your system in advanced driver search. Unfortunately Nvidia doesn't make it very easy to get this level of search detail. From http://nvidia.com: Drivers -> All Nvidia Drivers -> (at the bottom) Beta and Older Drivers quick link: NVIDIA Advanced Driver Search Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
ShootY Send message Joined: 15 Jan 11 Posts: 71 Credit: 21,700,959 RAC: 41 |
Is the Driver problem still a thing? Because I recently installed Windows 10 on my Machine and installed the latest nvidia driver 441.66. There's a thread where some are discussing the Game Ready Driver vs. Studio Driver. What do you think? What is better for crunching? And: Are there still problems? The reason I'm asking is: I have 181 Workunits: verification outstanding 23 Workunits: verification without result 324 WUs: valid 0 WUs: invalid 9 WUs: error |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
Is the Driver problem still a thing? Because I recently installed Windows 10 on my Machine and installed the latest nvidia driver 441.66. not all workunits are affected by the problem. it only affects the Arecibo VHAR tasks. you can process all of the other ones fine. also if you're not using the SoG app you can process all workunits fine. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
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