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NVidia 436.xx and later drivers can cause very long compute times especially on Arecibo VHAR work units
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BoincSpy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 146 Credit: 124,775,115 RAC: 353 |
Just saw this happening. I have rebooted to see if GPUs where stuck... Nope. Have a Geforce GTX 1060 6GB and GeForce GTX 1070 Ti using MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3584.exe application. The progress Rate is .720 % /hour. GeForce Drivers: 436.30 ( updated about a month ago ) WorkUnits being processed: 21jn12ac.5582.19699.15.42.209 and 21jn12ac.24517.23380.3.30.153 I will wait until WU's are complete to see if its going to clear it self.... Any ideas on what may be happening. Thanks in advance... BoincSpy |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36817 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
It's those latest drivers combined with certain work units, roll back to an earlier 430.xx driver. ;-) Cheers. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
The 436 drivers do not work with VHAR tasks of which those 21jn12ac task are at AR=2.7 Revert back to 430 or 431 series drivers. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Does anyone have information as to whether this is just a problem or a permanent change in the drivers. Because I do play video games and always like to have the latest drivers, if this is a permanent change then I will have to stop crunching on my two windows machines and update the drivers. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
I don't have any inside information. I just have my suspicion that the problem started with the 436 drivers new "feature" "integer scaling" Sounds like some math operation and may be the cause of the issues with compute. Only happens on VHAR work at Seti. But causing issues on other projects too. You can always just abort any VHAR tasks when you get them instead of crunching them. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Because I do play video games and always like to have the latest drivers, if this is a permanent change then I will have to stop crunching on my two windows machines and update the drivers.For gaming as well as crunching, it's worth checking out exactly what new drivers have that differs from the existing ones. Unless new drivers address an issue you are having with a particular game, or bring support for a new game that you want to play, there is no benefit in updating video drivers- even for a gaming system. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Grant Darwin NT |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
You can always just abort any VHAR tasks when you get them instead of crunching them. Well I don't really micro manage my SETI tasks accept during the WOW event, the rest of the year they are "set and forget". I check Boinc Tasks maybe twice a day to see things look OK, other than that no. As I really need to update my drivers I will stop GPU crunching till or if the problem is fixed. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
As I really need to update my drivers I will stop GPU crunching till or if the problem is fixed.Do you really need to? I'm not being facetious, but unless you've got a new game and you need a new driver in order to play it, or the new driver addresses an issue that you're having with your present games, or you've got a new video card that's not supported by your current driver then there is no need to upgrade your video driver. Ever. Grant Darwin NT |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Do you really need to? Sorry I have to disagree; Security Bulletin: NVIDIA GPU Display Driver - August 2019 So basically any driver before 431.60 is not secure. For Geforce on Windows |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
Do you really need to? So the 431.60 drivers are secure. And they don't cause issues with compute. Seems like a no-brainer. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Sorry I have to disagree;Yep, security is one reason to update even if there is no other benefit (gaming or compute) in doing so. Given that all of the security issues addressed require local physical access to the computer, I would consider the updates necessary only if you allow other untrusted people to physically use your systems. If they don't have physical access to your computer, they can't set them up to allow the exploits. Or as Keith suggested, upgrade to the v431.60 drivers. They have the security patch, and still compute correctly. AFAIK, none of the later patches have anything to do with security. And if they don't address an issue with one of your existing games, or support a new game you wish to play, you don't need to upgrade to them. Grant Darwin NT |
Jared Send message Joined: 29 Jul 07 Posts: 9 Credit: 1,176,291 RAC: 0 |
So I'm running on another machine temporarily, 3700X with 2060 super clocked. Initially sog workunits were processed in about 4 minutes, now its more like 20. I didn't change any settings to have had this effect. Can someone advise config file settings like how to dedicate a full core to the gpu? Below are some examples of the change over time. Fast WUs: Task 8706493142 WU 3665872549 Task 8076493172 WU 3665872554 After getting slow: Task 8079095203 WU 3667112846 Task 8079095467 WU 3667112712 Thanks for any help in advance. |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
You updated the video drivers to 436 drivers which are known to cause issues. Revert to the 431 drivers and your issues should go away. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Steve Hayes Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3 Credit: 11,896,037 RAC: 33 |
I have this same issue with my 3700X and RTX 2060 once it was updated to the 436.30 driver. I'm glad I found this thread! |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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IntenseGuy Send message Joined: 25 Sep 00 Posts: 190 Credit: 23,498,825 RAC: 9 |
Version 436.48 is out now. I am trying to test it. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Version 436.48 is out now. I am trying to test it.Given there is no mention of a fix to compute errors under certain circumstances in the release notes, I expect it to still be broken. Grant Darwin NT |
IntenseGuy Send message Joined: 25 Sep 00 Posts: 190 Credit: 23,498,825 RAC: 9 |
Yes some tasks are still failing. Oh well. |
Jeff Send message Joined: 8 May 99 Posts: 5 Credit: 98,361,983 RAC: 150 |
Yes some tasks are still failing. Oh well. Thanks for you not only taking the time to try it out, but sharing the results with us here. You saved me the hassle of giving it a try and then having to revert back to the latest good driver. I appreciate you sharing your findings here with us. By sharing, many benefit from your efforts. The knowledge that the latest still doesn't work properly is, in itself, good information to know. |
BoincSpy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 146 Credit: 124,775,115 RAC: 353 |
Thank you everyone for the feedback. Based on what I have read from the conversations, am I correct in stating that the issue will most likely not get fixed? Regards, BoincSpy. |
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