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Message 2007154 - Posted: 13 Aug 2019, 12:47:25 UTC - in response to Message 2007114.  

I also got all the M.2 slots working on the C7H. But the same post failure # "90" or "06" which way is up? I think it is 90. Since it seems to be stalling on the boot disk? I tried moving the HD data cable around. No luck.

Besides getting the cooling working for OCing. The only other idea I have is upgrading to the Ryzen 3000 bios to see if it breaks the post jam.

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Q-code 90 in the manual says "Boot Device Selection (BDS) phase is started" So confusion about which device to boot. In the BIOS do you have "Fast Boot" disabled? Secure Boot to "Other OS" ? CSM Mode to Auto or Disabled?


I will look. TY.

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Message 2007794 - Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 2:39:37 UTC - in response to Message 2007110.  

I would think it would lead to instability. The current Ryzen 3000 BIOS doesn't even qualify as an "alpha" let alone a "beta"

Get a better cooler on the cpu and then just set the multiplier to 4000Mhz and leave the CPU and SoC voltage on Auto. Set LLC to Auto and the cpu voltage under load should end up around 1.34V and run around 130W under load. Should only run around 65-70° C. under load.


Whispering...... got the new, gigantic air cpu cooler on.
After a some minutes getting the gpus all happy again (I removed the #2 PSU/harness for later deployment). And confirming the temps were reasonably stable/low at 3.7GHz I jumped it to 4.0Ghz.

Normally it will crash withing 3-5 minutes. Since it is still running. I am presuming I am stable.

I installed the llc 3, phase control optimize, current delivery 120% parameters.

May need to try w/o them because the temp has gone up some..... Its at 74C right now, and at 3.7Ghz it passed 85+C regularly with the stock cpu cooler from Amd.

Anyway, lets see what happens to the RAC overnight. It had flattened out again. But at least it wasn't dropping.

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Message 2007800 - Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 3:14:55 UTC - in response to Message 2007794.  

What is your Vcore at 4Ghz loading? You should be somewhere around 1.35V or a bit lower. I end up around 1.33- 1.34V on Auto at 4.025Ghz. LLC on Auto. Power delivery at 120%. On 280mm AIO cooling though compared to your air cooler. On air, you need to run LLC2 or LLC3 probably. The LLC is what forces the temps up as it doesn't let the Vcore voltage droop as much and the power usage is greater. But if the LLC gives you more stability without dropping the host offline, then you just deal with the sligher hotter temps and don't go as far with the core clocks.
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Message 2007845 - Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 11:51:16 UTC - in response to Message 2007800.  

What is your Vcore at 4Ghz loading? You should be somewhere around 1.35V or a bit lower. I end up around 1.33- 1.34V on Auto at 4.025Ghz. LLC on Auto. Power delivery at 120%. On 280mm AIO cooling though compared to your air cooler. On air, you need to run LLC2 or LLC3 probably. The LLC is what forces the temps up as it doesn't let the Vcore voltage droop as much and the power usage is greater. But if the LLC gives you more stability without dropping the host offline, then you just deal with the sligher hotter temps and don't go as far with the core clocks.


Not sure what it was. It crashed during the night. I love the cmos clear button.
Everything but the multiplier are auto. Plus preset for D.O.....?
Now have it at 3.7Ghz. Lets see now.....
tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.27 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  
VDDP Voltage:             +0.28 V  
1.8V PLL Voltage:         +1.85 V  
+12V Voltage:            +12.04 V  
+5V Voltage:              +5.01 V  
3VSB Voltage:             +3.36 V  
VBAT Voltage:             +3.23 V  
AVCC3 Voltage:            +3.36 V  
SB 1.05V Voltage:         +1.07 V  
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.27 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.13 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.36 V  
CPU Fan:                 1457 RPM
Chassis Fan 1:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 2:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 3:              0 RPM
HAMP Fan:                   0 RPM
Water Pump:                 0 RPM
CPU OPT:                 1450 RPM
Water Flow:                 0 RPM
AIO Pump:                   0 RPM
CPU Temperature:          +70.0°C  
CPU Socket Temperature:   +53.0°C  
Motherboard Temperature:  +34.0°C  
Chipset Temperature:      +51.0°C  
Tsensor 1 Temperature:   +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Temperature:      +56.0°C  
Water In:                +216.0°C  
Water Out:               +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Output Current:  +84.00 A  

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +71.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ 

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Message 2007877 - Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 15:39:07 UTC

1.27V is fine for 3.7Ghz. Question was what was/is the voltage at 4Ghz. Unless you have the crappiest cpu ever produced, a 2700 should be able to run 4Ghz. Again the cpu voltage needs to be around 1.35V.

I see your memory running at XMP voltage. Are you running them stock? Why don't you bump them up to 1.365 -1.37V. Do you know why you are crashing? Have you looked at the logs to see what the error is?

Do you ever run a stress tester at your new attempted clock frequency to see if your settings are stable? A half hour of Prime95 small FFT's will quickly show errors if you don't have enough voltage. A half hour run of stressapptest will prove that your memory is stable at the attempted clocks.
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Message 2007942 - Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 23:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 2007877.  

1.27V is fine for 3.7Ghz. Question was what was/is the voltage at 4Ghz. Unless you have the crappiest cpu ever produced, a 2700 should be able to run 4Ghz. Again the cpu voltage needs to be around 1.35V.


Ran all day at 3.7Ghz. Got home from work.
Had a system update (security only and core image).
Booted it back up to 4.0 Ghz. Without anything accept the D.O.C.P. Standard on the ram. Everything else is auto.
Current (pun?) results look like this:
tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.30 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  
VDDP Voltage:             +0.44 V  
1.8V PLL Voltage:         +1.96 V  
+12V Voltage:            +11.99 V  
+5V Voltage:              +4.99 V  
3VSB Voltage:             +3.36 V  
VBAT Voltage:             +3.25 V  
AVCC3 Voltage:            +3.36 V  
SB 1.05V Voltage:         +1.07 V  
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.30 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.13 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.36 V  
CPU Fan:                 1464 RPM
Chassis Fan 1:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 2:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 3:              0 RPM
HAMP Fan:                   0 RPM
Water Pump:                 0 RPM
CPU OPT:                 1458 RPM
Water Flow:                 0 RPM
AIO Pump:                   0 RPM
CPU Temperature:          +76.0°C  
CPU Socket Temperature:   +56.0°C  
Motherboard Temperature:  +35.0°C  
Chipset Temperature:      +52.0°C  
Tsensor 1 Temperature:   +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Temperature:      +58.0°C  
Water In:                +216.0°C  
Water Out:               +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Output Current:  +93.00 A  

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +76.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ 


I see your memory running at XMP voltage. Are you running them stock? Why don't you bump them up to 1.365 -1.37V.

I had limited time this morning so instead of relying on some of the other bios presets I used the DOCP Standard which runs ram at 3200 with all the other stuff that appears to be "stock" overclock.


Do you know why you are crashing? Have you looked at the logs to see what the error is?

The only log I look at regularly is erased when Boinc is restarted. I will be researching the why as I dig out the other Linux info that has moldered/disappeared in my head.
The OS did throw a report to developer error that I submitted this morning. But since there was a core image update I went ahead and updated that.


Do you ever run a stress tester at your new attempted clock frequency to see if your settings are stable? A half hour of Prime95 small FFT's will quickly show errors if you don't have enough voltage. A half hour run of stressapptest will prove that your memory is stable at the attempted clocks.


I have regularly had Seti crash things when I over do the OC sets so until now I haven't seen a need.

With WOW under way, I am reluctant to take the time when I don't have them already setup and had practice using those stress testers.

I am going to babysit the machine at 4.0Ghz all evening. If it doesn't crash by bedtime I am hoping it will run overnight.

Meanwhile back to the log research.

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Message 2007949 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 0:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 2007942.  

1.30V isn't enough for BOINC load at 4Ghz. If Auto is setting 1.30V for the 4 gig VID values, you are going to have to use an Offset for Vcore instead of Auto. Change to Offset for Cpu Voltage and input 35mV to 50mV of additional voltage. As I have said previously, you need to see Vcore under BOINC load of around 1.33 - 1.35V for 4Ghz on the C7H and 1002 BIOS.
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Message 2007955 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 0:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 2007949.  

1.30V isn't enough for BOINC load at 4Ghz. If Auto is setting 1.30V for the 4 gig VID values, you are going to have to use an Offset for Vcore instead of Auto. Change to Offset for Cpu Voltage and input 35mV to 50mV of additional voltage. As I have said previously, you need to see Vcore under BOINC load of around 1.33 - 1.35V for 4Ghz on the C7H and 1002 BIOS.


I just tried the manual overide with LLC 3 (from a previous change) and got
sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.27 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  


There is something hinky about doing "offset" s. I haven't been able to get a number with or without a decimal to enter.

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Message 2007959 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 0:47:22 UTC - in response to Message 2007955.  

1.30V isn't enough for BOINC load at 4Ghz. If Auto is setting 1.30V for the 4 gig VID values, you are going to have to use an Offset for Vcore instead of Auto. Change to Offset for Cpu Voltage and input 35mV to 50mV of additional voltage. As I have said previously, you need to see Vcore under BOINC load of around 1.33 - 1.35V for 4Ghz on the C7H and 1002 BIOS.


I just tried the manual overide with LLC 3 (from a previous change) and got
sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.27 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  


There is something hinky about doing "offset" s. I haven't been able to get a number with or without a decimal to enter.

Tom


The hinky is you have to use the + and - keys can't just put in a number. :)

Here is with an offset of 35mm and all the Digi-Vrm settings.

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.32 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  
VDDP Voltage:             +0.44 V  
1.8V PLL Voltage:         +1.96 V  
+12V Voltage:            +12.04 V  
+5V Voltage:              +4.99 V  
3VSB Voltage:             +3.36 V  
VBAT Voltage:             +3.25 V  
AVCC3 Voltage:            +3.38 V  
SB 1.05V Voltage:         +1.07 V  
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.32 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.13 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.36 V  
CPU Fan:                 1470 RPM
Chassis Fan 1:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 2:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 3:              0 RPM
HAMP Fan:                   0 RPM
Water Pump:                 0 RPM
CPU OPT:                 1466 RPM
Water Flow:                 0 RPM
AIO Pump:                   0 RPM
CPU Temperature:          +74.0°C  
CPU Socket Temperature:   +52.0°C  
Motherboard Temperature:  +34.0°C  
Chipset Temperature:      +52.0°C  
Tsensor 1 Temperature:   +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Temperature:      +52.0°C  
Water In:                +216.0°C  
Water Out:               +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Output Current:  +82.00 A  

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +74.6°C  (high = +70.0°C)

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ ^C
tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ 


I am going to reset everything, go back to DOCP ram settings, 40 cpu multipler and see what happens to the volts and heat. If it will run LLC auto it should be cooler (I read someplace :^)

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Message 2007960 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 0:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 2007959.  


I am going to reset everything, go back to DOCP ram settings, 40 cpu multipler and see what happens to the volts and heat. If it will run LLC auto it should be cooler (I read someplace :^)

Tom


With the offset at 0.35~ I got this:

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.25 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  


So the LLC 3 and maybe other stuff made a voltage difference. And it is a tiny bit cooler.

The highest cpu voltage offset it will let me do is 0.45 so will try that next.

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I am going to reset everything, go back to DOCP ram settings, 40 cpu multipler and see what happens to the volts and heat. If it will run LLC auto it should be cooler (I read someplace :^)

Tom


With the offset at 0.35~ I got this:

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.25 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  


So the LLC 3 and maybe other stuff made a voltage difference. And it is a tiny bit cooler.

The highest cpu voltage offset it will let me do is 0.45 so will try that next.

Tom



tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sudo modprobe asus-wmi-sensors
[sudo] password for tom: 
tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.36 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  


So lets try 0.41
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Message 2007965 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 1:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 2007955.  

You change from Auto to Offset. Don't change "sign" It should default to "+" then move to Voltage Override and just keep hitting the "plus" key on the ten key keypad to keep adding 0.00625V to the offset until you to total up 0.03125V or in other words 31 mV to the 1.30V to get to 1.33V or keep adding. The smallest voltage change possible is 0.00625V because that is the LSB value in the D to A conversion.

Save BIOS and reboot and check your readback voltage which should now be 1.33V.
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Message 2007966 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 1:15:57 UTC

What BIOS are you on? Are you on 2501 BIOS by some chance? I gave instructions for the most stable 1002 BIOS. BIOS 2501 is totally screwed up with Auto voltages when moving multiplier off Auto and setting a manual multiplier. It defaults to 1.10V for VID for all multipliers. There should not be any limit in the amount of offset added. You can add a full volt if you want to.
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Message 2007967 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 1:16:36 UTC - in response to Message 2007965.  

You change from Auto to Offset. Don't change "sign" It should default to "+" then move to Voltage Override and just keep hitting the "plus" key on the ten key keypad to keep adding 0.00625V to the offset until you to total up 0.03125V or in other words 31 mV to the 1.30V to get to 1.33V or keep adding. The smallest voltage change possible is 0.00625V because that is the LSB value in the D to A conversion.

Save BIOS and reboot and check your readback voltage which should now be 1.33V.


At 0.40625~ I am getting

tom@EJS-GIFT:~$ sensors
asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.32 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.12 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.35 V  
VDDP Voltage:             +0.45 V  
1.8V PLL Voltage:         +1.96 V  
+12V Voltage:            +11.99 V  
+5V Voltage:              +4.99 V  
3VSB Voltage:             +3.36 V  
VBAT Voltage:             +3.25 V  
AVCC3 Voltage:            +3.36 V  
SB 1.05V Voltage:         +1.07 V  
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.33 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.13 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.37 V  
CPU Fan:                 1457 RPM
Chassis Fan 1:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 2:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 3:              0 RPM
HAMP Fan:                   0 RPM
Water Pump:                 0 RPM
CPU OPT:                 1457 RPM
Water Flow:                 0 RPM
AIO Pump:                   0 RPM
CPU Temperature:          +77.0°C  
CPU Socket Temperature:   +55.0°C  
Motherboard Temperature:  +34.0°C  
Chipset Temperature:      +51.0°C  
Tsensor 1 Temperature:   +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Temperature:      +56.0°C  
Water In:                +216.0°C  
Water Out:               +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Output Current:  +93.00 A  

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +76.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM

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Message 2007976 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 2:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 2007967.  

Try to run overnight on that 1.32V and see if it holds up.
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Message 2007980 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 2:36:07 UTC - in response to Message 2007976.  

Try to run overnight on that 1.32V and see if it holds up.


Since I am tired of screwing around with it and it is still running nearly an hour later..... its a wrap (or is it a rack)?

Collapse (me not the computer).

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Message 2007981 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 2:52:13 UTC

I was looking again at your sensors readout. I don't think you got around to installing the socket fan I talked about have you? That would help stability a lot.
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Message 2008039 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 12:27:15 UTC - in response to Message 2007981.  
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I was looking again at your sensors readout. I don't think you got around to installing the socket fan I talked about have you? That would help stability a lot.


It turns out I will need to buy the suggested fan. The ones I have available are large enough I was having trouble installing it. I have a bar on the rack that limits how far over I can install the fan. I will go back and re-read that part of the thread then order a couple three. I expect to run Amd cpus for years so I want them a cool as I can.

It ran all night. !!! At 4Ghz !!!!!!!!

Tom

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Message 2008067 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 15:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 2008039.  

I looked at your overnight results. You are overcommitted on the cpu. So how many cpu tasks each are you running with how many gpu tasks each? Think this host is the six gpu card host, correct?
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Message 2008076 - Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 16:23:47 UTC - in response to Message 2008067.  

if he keeps trying to use 0.1 CPU per GPU in his settings while setting 90% CPU use, he will keep pegging his CPU out since BOINC "thinks" he's only using that much, when he's really using 1:1 CPU:GPU with -nobs.

for example, 6 GPUs, 16 threads, -nobs, 0.1:1, 90% CPU setting:
6/16 used for GPU = 62% CPU Actually free
Boinc thinks you are only using <1 thread (0.6) and 93% free
Boinc will spin up 14 CPU tasks
You now have 20 WUs running on a 16 thread CPU = 100% use, pegged

or, 6 GPUs, 16 threads, -nobs, 1:1, 90% CPU setting:
6/16 used for GPU = 62% CPU Actually free
Boinc now aware of your GPU impact to CPU and correctly knows only 62% free
Boinc will spin up only 8 extra CPU jobs
You now have 14 WUs running, and your CPU use percentage will be 90% as you've intended

or you can do some hacky kludgey settings to achieve the same thing in a round about way with no benefit and more confusing configurations

6 GPUs, 16 threads, -nobs, 0.1:1, 50-55% CPU setting:
6/16 used for GPU = 62% CPU Actually free
Boinc thinks you are only using <1 thread (0.6) and 93% free
Boinc will spin up 8 CPU tasks
You now have 14 WUs running on a 16 thread CPU = 90%

which do you think makes more sense?
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