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Message 1999048 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 14:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 1999042.  

I don't think it's possible to jam GPS so that the position readings get altered.
I know that Russia sometimes jam the GPS around the borders of northern Norway and Finland but that means you don't get any GPS signal at all.
It was also civilian planes near the drone downing and they would notice that something is wrong.
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Message 1999051 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 15:57:49 UTC - in response to Message 1999048.  

I don't think it's possible to jam GPS so that the position readings get altered.

Has been done very successfully https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident
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Message 1999057 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 16:54:42 UTC - in response to Message 1999051.  

Oh dear:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoofing_attack#GPS_spoofing
A "proof-of-concept" attack was successfully performed in June, 2013, when the luxury yacht White Rose of Drachs was misdirected with spoofed GPS signals by a group of aerospace engineering students from the Cockrell School of Engineering at the University of Texas in Austin. The students were aboard the yacht, allowing their spoofing equipment to gradually overpower the signal strengths of the actual GPS constellation satellites, altering the course of the yacht.

Perhaps relying on GPS is not a good thing in warfare.
Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton: Unit cost US$120.689m (FY15)
One would thought that a such expensive plane should have some backup navigation system that could at least help validating the GPS data...
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Message 1999063 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 18:12:18 UTC - in response to Message 1999057.  

Perhaps relying on GPS is not a good thing in warfare.
Perhaps enough hacking has happened that the encryption codes for the military GPS signals has leaked and state actors are able to spoof them. Knowing this would be valuable.
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Message 1999078 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 20:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1999063.  
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I don't think Iran hacked the GPS.
The US has even published a photo from the drone with time and position of the incident.
US 23:39 25.57.27N, 56.52.39E. That's in the international air-space between Iran and Oman.
However Iran has given the position 4 minutes earlier.
Iran 23:35 25.59.43N, 57.02.25E. That's in the Iranian air-space.
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Message 1999309 - Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 15:34:23 UTC

B-Team tried to trap Trump into war with Iran, prudence prevented it: FM Zarif
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/23/599238/Zarif-BTeam-drone-US-war-economic-terrorism
Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says a recent incident in which a US spy drone encroached on the Iranian territory in the Sea of Oman was the extension of previous efforts by the B-Team to drag US President Donald Trump into a war with Iran.
The hawkish “B-team” is comprised of US National Security Adviser John Bolton, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
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Message 1999361 - Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 23:37:02 UTC

Iran admits to shooting down the drone, but not to attacking tankers.
What does this tell us?

Besides something about criminal justice reform, backing off the attack may be one of the few right things Trump has done. (Unlike some, I am a man of my word. I said I would give credit when and where it is due.)
Much of his base doesn't want another interventionist/nation-rebuilding war yet again. Just like the rest of us.
But, does anyone believe Trump didn't already know the projected casualties???
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Message 1999364 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 0:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 1999361.  

Iran admits to shooting down the drone, but not to attacking tankers.
What does this tell us?

Besides something about criminal justice reform, backing off the attack may be one of the few right things Trump has done. (Unlike some, I am a man of my word. I said I would give credit when and where it is due.)
Much of his base doesn't want another interventionist/nation-rebuilding war yet again. Just like the rest of us.
But, does anyone believe Trump didn't already know the projected casualties???

A war with Iran would be a fight to the Death.
There would be no surrender, only blood and destruction.
Who would benefit?
Israel and Saudi-Arabia!
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Message 1999365 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 0:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 1999361.  

What does this tell us?

They are playing us and the world for they can get.
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Message 1999366 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 0:11:07 UTC - in response to Message 1999365.  

What does this tell us?

They are playing us and the world for they can get.

They are playing us and the world for they can get.
Huh?
Do You ever make Sense?
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Message 1999370 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 0:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 1999361.  
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Iran admits to shooting down the drone, but not to attacking tankers.
What does this tell us?
Shows us Putin's hand is in this.

Besides something about criminal justice reform, backing off the attack may be one of the few right things Trump has done. (Unlike some, I am a man of my word. I said I would give credit when and where it is due.)
Much of his base doesn't want another interventionist/nation-rebuilding war yet again. Just like the rest of us.
But, does anyone believe Trump didn't already know the projected casualties???

Sarge, Did Rump actually back off the attack, or is that just another Fake News Talking Point? Did he actually order it and countermand? Very few actually know. But it makes good press.
Of course he knew the projections. Isn't that how you select which plan to order?

I'll give him credit for not being shrub and LBJ stupid and starting a war. Maybe someone mentioned bone spurs and he got some flashes of press pain.
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Message 1999380 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 3:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1999370.  

Iran admits to shooting down the drone, but not to attacking tankers.
What does this tell us?
Shows us Putin's hand is in this.


Please elaborate?

Besides something about criminal justice reform, backing off the attack may be one of the few right things Trump has done. (Unlike some, I am a man of my word. I said I would give credit when and where it is due.)
Much of his base doesn't want another interventionist/nation-rebuilding war yet again. Just like the rest of us.
But, does anyone believe Trump didn't already know the projected casualties???

Sarge, Did Rump actually back off the attack, or is that just another Fake News Talking Point? Did he actually order it and countermand? Very few actually know. But it makes good press.
Of course he knew the projections. Isn't that how you select which plan to order?

I'll give him credit for not being shrub and LBJ stupid and starting a war. Maybe someone mentioned bone spurs and he got some flashes of press pain.


I'm aware of times he creates a "problem" and then "solves" it.
As for this one, as you say, we don't know.
The effect is the same. We are not, at least for the time being, at war with Iran.
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Message 1999388 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 5:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 1999380.  

Iran admits to shooting down the drone, but not to attacking tankers.
What does this tell us?
Shows us Putin's hand is in this.


Please elaborate?

I suspect Iran is in Putin's pocket as it is so anti-USA. They do chant death to USA at every political gathering. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend.)
It suits Putin to seek to divide the USA and hawks and doves is a division.
It isn't Putin's people who would die in a retaliation strike.
Putin would be able to convince Iran to buy lots more anti weapons at a big fat hard cash profit. Or take black gold rather than real gold.
Putin can mediate the action and smell like a rose.
Putin would get high poll numbers for Rump out of it and Rump would be beholden to him for that.
Putin would get to test his weapons systems against the USA to see how to improve them.
Putin could launch cyber attacks on the USA and have Iran take the blame, again testing his systems.
Putin can disrupt the oil supply to the entire western world and cause financial panic. The resulting panic raises natural gas prices Gazprom charges some EU states.
Putin might actually talk Iran into hosting his troops on their soil to "protect" them.

It is actually hard to find a downside for Putin.
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Message 1999409 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 13:56:11 UTC - in response to Message 1999388.  

Vova Putin is very much involved in this mess:)
Russia to take measures against Washington's 'major' new sanctions on Iran
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/24/599300/Iran-politics-Russia-US-sanctions
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov made the announcement Monday, a day after Trump threatened Tehran with new sanctions as part of his administration's "maximum pressure campaign" against the Islamic Republic.
Ryabkov did not specify what those steps would be, but said that the imposition of US sanctions would aggravate tensions. He also urged Washington to seek dialogue with Tehran, instead of imposing new sanctions.
Trump has said the United States will impose "major" new sanctions on Iran in two days - a move sure to exacerbate tensions with the Islamic Republic.
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Message 1999414 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 15:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1999409.  
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Vova Putin is very much involved in this mess:)
Russia to take measures against Washington's 'major' new sanctions on Iran
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/24/599300/Iran-politics-Russia-US-sanctions
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov made the announcement Monday, a day after Trump threatened Tehran with new sanctions as part of his administration's "maximum pressure campaign" against the Islamic Republic.
Ryabkov did not specify what those steps would be, but said that the imposition of US sanctions would aggravate tensions. He also urged Washington to seek dialogue with Tehran, instead of imposing new sanctions.
Trump has said the United States will impose "major" new sanctions on Iran in two days - a move sure to exacerbate tensions with the Islamic Republic.

The evil, pro terrorist Mullah's controlling Iran and its supporter's are at war with the world.

Those against "exacerbate tensions" with these Mullah's evil. Is understood to mean accepting their terrorism against all that is not them and attacks against shipping in international waters.
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Message 2001655 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 16:18:29 UTC

Lookin' Forward to Your Next Move.

C'mon IRAN. GET SOME.

RUBEWorld Waitin' fO dA TALK to Become dA WALK

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Message 2001660 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 16:47:08 UTC

Yap, Rump's art of dealin got them to go for 100% enrichment, all he knows, enrichment!
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Message 2001681 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 19:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 2001660.  

Yap, Rump's art of dealin got them to go for 100% enrichment, all he knows, enrichment!


"And you only enrich for one reason. I'm not going to tell you that reason, but it's very very bad."

Now, I'm no nuclear physicist, let alone a nuclear engineer, but ...
I could look it up.
Either ...
You enrich for more than one reason.
Or you enrich in order to come up with material for a nuclear weapon.
But I'm so glad that he said it's bad and wouldn't tell me, probably so I wouldn't worry.
Ot, wait. He's playing 5-dimensional chess and *wants* me to worry?
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Message 2001685 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 19:37:34 UTC

Why doesn't Trump do like he did when he started having "good conversations" with Vova Putin and Kim?
Who knows. Maybe Hassan will be a good "stablemate" as Vova.
And then perhaps Trump will send "love letters" to Hassan like he did to Kim.
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Message 2001744 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 23:45:53 UTC - in response to Message 2001685.  

Why doesn't Trump do like he did when he started having "good conversations" with Vova Putin and Kim?
Who knows. Maybe Hassan will be a good "stablemate" as Vova.
And then perhaps Trump will send "love letters" to Hassan like he did to Kim.


"And, then ... the Ayatollah and I ... we fell in love. In love, I tell you."
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