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Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 27000 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 73
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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?... Forgot the timeline again. 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5323 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 2
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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?... From everyone's favorite fact checker: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-cut-cdc-budget/ What's True "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 27000 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 73
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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?... Isn't that a distraction from unfunding the WHO the only group that can combat a pandemic? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45
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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?... Only in the USA? Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 13797 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 151
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WaPo - McConnell’s claim that Obama left behind no ‘game plan’ for the coronavirus outbreak “They claim pandemics only happen once every hundred years but what if that’s no longer true? We want to be early, ready for the next one, because clearly the Obama administration did not leave to this administration any kind of game plan for something like this.” Most notably, the color-coded document lists dozens of pointed and detailed questions that top policymakers should be asking themselves if a novel virus suddenly emerges overseas. For instance: Document available at Politico - Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5323 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 2
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That also applies to the US States. WaPo - Which deaths count toward the covid-19 death toll? It depends on the state.Exactly my point. I believe that it is quite common for family doctors to restrict themselves to bald, medical, facts when preparing the death certificate - to protect the feelings of grieving family members. Words like 'suicide', 'HIV', 'AIDS', 'Alzheimer's', and now 'coronavirus', may be avoided, even if relevant. In the litigious rife United States, it is probably the Doctors, Hospitals and Care Facilities also covering their donkies. (If we list as Covid, they won't investigate the possibly botched procedures giving the ambulance chasing vulture attorneys nourishment). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14114 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 1,983
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In the UK, I believe it depends very much on the actions of individual medical practitioners. When my mother passed away five years ago, I was handed a sealed envelope prepared by her family doctor, who had been responsible for supervising her medical care while she was living in a residential care home. I was directed to take this envelope to the county Registrar when registering the death. The certificate prepared by the Registrar says that the cause of death was "Cerebrovascular Accident" - which I understand to imply a problem with blood supply to the brain. The care home staff also told me that they had no doubt that my mother was also suffering from Alzheimer's disease (dementia). I believe that it is quite common for family doctors to restrict themselves to bald, medical, facts when preparing the death certificate - to protect the feelings of grieving family members. Words like 'suicide', 'HIV', 'AIDS', 'Alzheimer's', and now 'coronavirus', may be avoided, even if relevant. Since the data relay passes from family doctor, to Registrar, to state statistical office, to federal statistical office, there are many opportunities for these well-meaning protections of feelings to distort the final global report. |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 13797 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 151
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Are these the 'real' numbers? That also applies to the US States. WaPo - Which deaths count toward the covid-19 death toll? It depends on the state. In Alabama, officials have ruled that one of every 10 people who died with covid-19 did not die of covid-19. Among those excluded from the numbers reported to the federal government were a bedbound patient with aspiration pneumonia in one lung and a person with a buildup of fluid and partial collapse of one lung. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5323 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 2
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Are these the 'real' numbers? And therein lies a major problem. Country 'A' is counting apples only while Country 'B' is including oranges and pineapples. Without a standardized rule of what constitutes a fatality of Covid and what is an 'other' but also had Covid positivity there won't be an accurate tally. The WHO used to be looked to for that definition but with their reputation now tarnished by their acquiescence to the Chinese Government's wish to conceal numbers and details of the origin, it's a free for all. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Wiggo "Democratic Socialist" Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 18404 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 1,109
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As the U.S. continues on its merry way, Russia has recorded another 10K+ day as it rushes to catch up with Spain and Brazil threw in another 11K+ day clearing France and is now in hot pursuit of Italy. Meanwhile India and Peru are in a dual to see who'll take China's 11th spot off them and Saudi Arabia has slipped past the Netherlands into 16th place with Mexico, Pakistan and Chile in a race to see who'll be next to knock them further down. Israel is down to 32nd, Japan down to 34th, South Korea 43rd and Australia will lose its 50th spot to Argentina very soon with a few more countries slowly catching up. But this COVID-19 has certainly brought the nutters out. :-( Conspiracy theorists, far-right extremists around the world seize on the pandemic. Maybe now is the time to swept them all up while they're out and put away for their and the rest of us own safeties. ;-) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45
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Are these the 'real' numbers? Coronavirus: How many people have died in the UK? wrote: The number of people who have died because of Covid-19 is nearly twice as high as the figure we hear announced every day... All in our only one world. Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45
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Very unfortunately real and very unfortunate: Victoria (railway station) ticket worker dies after being spat at wrote: A railway ticket office worker has died with coronavirus after being spat at by a man who claimed he had Covid-19. All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15
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Who to believe? "The ventilators are working to their limits. Preliminary indications are that it was overloaded and caught fire, and that was the cause," a source at St Petersburg emergencies department told the Interfax news agency. Alexei Kurinny, a member of the Russian parliament's health committee, said it was unlikely that a ventilator could have short-circuited or overloaded, and that fire safety was built into their design. |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 27000 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 73
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Fixed it for you What numbers will add up for the consequences of misplaced |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45
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Following up on a now old story but one that still has consequences from the misplaced (reckless?) hype: Nationwide Study Finds Malaria Drug Touted by President Trump Led to More Deaths, No Benefits in Coronavirus Patients wrote: A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported... Hydroxychloroquine Fails to Help Coronavirus Patients in Largest Study of the Drug to Date wrote: In a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, scientists led by a team at Columbia University found that people infected with COVID-19 taking hydroxychloroquine do not fare better than those not receiving the drug... What numbers will add up for the consequences of misplaced authority?... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6084 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0
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My Corona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g |
Gary Charpentier ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 27000 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 73
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Posted yesterday Very enlightening blog regarding infection risks and rates while re-opening society.....written by a Comparative Immunologist and Biology Professor.. I fear it is written above the intelligence of the average Faux news presenter to grasp. Confirmation came hours later: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/497226-fox-newss-john-roberts-rips-abcs-jonathan-karl-on-mask-shaming-tweet Fox News chief White House correspondent John Roberts slammed ABC News chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl on Twitter after Karl posted a picture of Roberts without a mask prior to the start of President Trump's press conference. If you read the report you see he had already filled the room with virus, but Faux news is always Faux. <ed>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-west-wing-staffers-face-masks/ |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6084 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0
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Today. The US Genius tweeted this. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260171664865796097 Our Testing is the BEST in the World, by FAR! Numbers are coming down in most parts of our Country, which wants to open and get going again. It is happening, safely! "We estimate that our nation will be able to carry out at least 40 to 50 million tests per month this fall, if needed at that time," said Admiral Brett Giroir, at the HHS. He added that 12.9 million tests will be conducted in the next four weeks, in addition to the 9 million tests already done in the country. It was reported to be twice as many tests as any other country has done. (Hmm... Compared to what countries?) Meanwhile the head of the NIAID, Anthony Fauci, said in a Senate hearing on Tuesday that the coronary-related deaths in the United States are likely to be more than the official death toll. He said he was not sure how many percent higher the actual death rate could be. But in all likelihood, it's higher, he said. He also urged caution to ease restrictions in the United States. "If you think we have it under control, we don't have it," he replied to Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren during the hearing. Fauci stated that there are currently nine possible "candidates" for covid-19 vaccine and research that began in January. "If we are successful, you will know this in the fall or winter," Fauci said, adding that the authorities said it would take 12 to 18 months to produce a vaccine, shortly after the research began. "I also have to warn that there are opportunities for negative consequences or that some vaccines may increase the negative effect of the infection," said Dr. Anthony Fauci. |
Sirius B ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15
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Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14114 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 1,983
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I think we have to be careful to distinguish 'statistical' statistics from 'political' statistics. I was reminded of the old proverb "A lie can run halfway round the world before the truth can get its boots on". Political statistics are quick, glib, partial, selective, ... - all sorts of naughty things like that. Statistical statistics are slow, nuanced, complete (as far as possible in the time), and analytical. For the UK, I much prefer the Deaths registered by week report, published by our Office of National Statistics. That chart, published this morning, has figures up to 1st May only. |
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