From one of our daily newspapers (behind a paywall, so I can't link)

UK's first case traced to ski bar

A 50 year old IT consultant was in Ischgl, Austria, from Jan 15 to 19 with three friends, two from Denmark and one from Minnesota in the US.

All three fell ill on their return with classic [CV] symptoms. The IT consultant passed on the infection to his wife and children.

A virus that caused a dry cough then spread rapidly through the locality.

Like many of the European cases traced back to Ischgl, the consultant visited the Kitzloch bar, which is famed for its raucous après-ski party scene.

Other papers and news outlets have the basic story (CNN: How an Austrian ski resort helped coronavirus spread across Europe), but the date in this version is important.

On to another post, one of the local rags put a map up of the (my) county broken down by area and rate of infections. Just as has been posited, the poor areas have low rates of infection and the very rich areas have very high rates of infection. This is a travel bug. The more money you have the more likely you are to get it, because you are likely to travel and have more personal attention.

There is another possibility, depending on the statistical methods used by the local rag.

Rich people can always find a private doctor willing to conduct a private test - for money. Poor people rely on publicly funded testing. If you haven't had a test, you can't be recorded as having the virus.

BBC again: Coronavirus: One case lays bare America's testing failure

Brush it under the carpet and it'll go away. Not.

Thanks for your continuing reports on how the U.S. is still trying to catch up with most of the world Dull, maybe in another month or so you guys might actually get there.

In the meantime Dull, 3D printers around the world are doing what U.S. manufacturing can't do and that's to keep up with demand for essential medial equipment, and for a fraction of the current U.S. price as well we've found out (good luck when it comes time to renegotiate prices on that equipment after this crisis is over).

Bob, I think that is where they are going. I think they just want to make a lot more medical equipment and get it through the pipeline before they let it explode. They can't keep us locked down until they have a vaccine, but they could keep the country's border locked that long.
Monkey wrench is medical gloves. Something like 90% of the world's supply comes from Malaysia. They just barred exports and required the manufacturers to cut production by 50%. If Rump had cojones a carrier task force would be steaming there now to make certain our request for more is promptly fulfilled to mutual benefit.

The wild card we don't know is how many will actually comply with the social distancing. If we get around 99% compliance then there is the possibility that in a lot of places there will be no more carriers in around six weeks. If we get more spring break parties then the alternate happens and 80% of the USA will get it and in short order. That will make the lock down look like a cake walk. Of course for social distancing to work it has to be nationwide not just in a few states and letting it double every three days in other places.

We are going to get some read when China drops its lock down. If it goes wild and they have to reimpose, not good for us either.

On to another post, one of the local rags put a map up of the (my) county broken down by area and rate of infections. Just as has been posited, the poor areas have low rates of infection and the very rich areas have very high rates of infection. This is a travel bug. The more money you have the more likely you are to get it, because you are likely to travel and have more personal attention.

Unfortunately the one thing that is still unknown is if having it once provides immunity from getting it again and for how long. I know one of my grandfathers got the mumps as a kid and at least twice as an adult. Not supposed to happen, but not everyone is the same. Humans carry chicken pox for life, later it comes back as shingles. We won't have real answers on this for a decade.

Then this will seem cruel, but I think the only way forward is to let it run it's course and save as many people who get seriously ill as possible. I think the world economy is currently in severe stress. Btw I am over 70 but I was already pretty much a stay at home type so I was already self isolating.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Bob you've got the right idea.

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Someone please tell me this scenario is impossible. So they extend the voluntary isolation and other restricted travel policies say until June and at that time normal travel activity and event attendance is resumed, what is to keep covid19 from breaking out again from someone who carries the virus after his/her health has recovered. Will it all start over again? It is said that it will take over a year to develop a vaccine.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

More to come and it will continue long past COVID-19.

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Death ratios are meaningless if the "number of infected" is basically arbitrary. Here in France, only people in life-threatening situations are tested: if all you have is flu-like symptoms and you don't have a specific underlying condition, you're denied testing.

Even assuming 100% testing, death rate will skyrocket when hospitals become saturated. People who might otherwise have survived will die if there aren't ventilators for them. At this point, the survival rate for those who need intensive care will be limited by available ICU beds. AFAIK, they've reached this point in Lombardy and already in East France (but they send patients to hospitals in other regions to free up some beds and limit the damage... for now).

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Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn.

My alternative profile

But I think it's very strange that it differ so much between countries. I did a list of the countries with the most reported cases and calculated the death rate. Most of them are in Europe. All from 0.5% to 10%...

Not. Differences in lifetime health care. The USA with its atrocious health care may well have already killed off the people who likely would die. Other places have kept their elderly alive longer so they have more who will suffer severe symptoms.

Elsewhere someone assumed found bodies are being tested. Per WSJ with the test costing $9,700+ there is no way that cash strapped coroner's offices are testing. Their main interest is foul play or natural cause. Otherwise, for covid 19, pulmonary edema, throw the next body on the table. Perhaps in other countries they are testing and why the rate is much higher.

But I think it's very strange that it differ so much between countries.

If one asks the right questions, it is not all that strange.
How many tourists from those countries were in China during the months it was not reported?
How many tourists from the infected countries before they lock-downed?
How many tourists from those affected countries returned home before travel was restricted?

They are Kidding, right? Who are these people. Lickspittles to da MAX.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/25/china-is-innocent-says-u-n-and-world-health-organization-reject-claim-it-launched-coronavirus-pandemic

RUBEWorld can't Believe da Lickspitilling

Yep

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So much for the 1 or 3.2%, now at least 4.55%.

Globally, authorities have confirmed more than 400,000 cases of the coronavirus and more than 18,200 deaths.

Yes, it's now 4.55%.
But I think it's very strange that it differ so much between countries. I did a list of the countries with the most reported cases and calculated the death rate. Most of them are in Europe. All from 0.5% to 10%...
China 4.04%
Italy 9.86%
USA 1.43%
Spain 7.11%
Germany 0.49%
Iran 7.79%
France 4.93%
Switzerland 1.33%
South Korea 1.38%
Netherlands 4.96%
UK 5.22%
...
Sweden 1.74%

Scientists say early data, generated with new NGS research panel from Thermo Fisher Scientific, suggest coronavirus is genetically stable, and could increase the effectiveness of vaccines in development

The two independent research teams from "Lazzaro Spallanzani" National Institute for Infectious Diseases (IRCCS) in Rome and the Forensic Division of the Department of Biomedical Sciences and Public Health (DSBSP) at Ancona University Hospital sequenced multiple samples and identified the presence of gene variants when compared against the original Wuhan coronavirus reference genome.

A virus with a stable genome is good news for vaccine development because it indicates that the effectiveness of vaccines could be more consistent, possibly over many years.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/italian-researchers-identify-new-sars-cov-2-gene-variants-that-provide-clues-to-coronaviruss-epidemiology-301029331.html

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BBC live report from 09:00

Hand sanitiser factory 'up and running' in days
UK chemical giant Ineos is set to build a plant within about 10 days dedicated to hand sanitiser near Middlesbrough. It’s thought that it will produce one million bottles a month.
Tom Crotty, the firm’s director, spoke to the BBC’s Today programme.
“We already make the fundamental raw material, ethanol, at one of our sites. It was apparent that there just wasn’t enough gel in the market for people to get - certainly not enough for the NHS, but even on the supermarket shelves. So why not make the gel ourselves, bottle it and get it out there?”
He added: “We already have expertise in this area, we have a spare building we can use, we’re installing the new kit as we speak and we’re hoping to have production up and running within those 10 days.

“Normally, we’d spend six months researching a market. But we’ve done none of that - we thought let’s just start and see how it goes.”

Yeah, right!
2nd quote at end of 1st.

So much for the 1 or 3.2%, now at least 4.55%.

Globally, authorities have confirmed more than 400,000 cases of the coronavirus and more than 18,200 deaths.

Hope Guv gets SUED SUED and SUED again.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/25/nevada-anti-malaria-drugs-coronavirus-sisolak-chloroquine

Man O Live. Where Do these people come from? Geez O Flip

Top Doc said Yep, I would:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/25/dr-anthony-fauci-of-course-i-would-prescribe-chloroquine-to-coronavirus-patients

RUBEWorld will see you in Court. Same with LA Mayor cutting off Utilities fO BIZ not complying to his Close order.

YepYup

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WV a small state with a small population, compared to NY, a large state with a HUGE population.

Posts said WV is Unhealthy with facts and stats posted.

Per Capita WV having more of this and that Unhealthiness is way less in numbers than NY same Unhealthiness due to NYs MUCH LARGER population.

Greater numbers of COPD et al in NY than WV, due to NYs GREATER population.

Shameful HIT JOB on WV, when NY has - by Numbers - MORE Sickly people, before CV and certainly during.

NY is a HOTSPOT not due to Unhealthiness, and WV is not a HOTSPOT due to greater per capita Unhealthiness.

WV has few cases and no deaths due to its MORE ISOLATED Population.

NY is WELL Known for its Own Citizens and Citizens from World Over travelling In and Out of NY. Many MAGNITUDES Greater than WVs.

IOWs HOTSPOT for CV

Yep

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Good news for some in the UK:-)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52033260

Rump's lips moved, another lie ensued.

Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds