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Message 2049955 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 14:56:58 UTC
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Now we see this headline & story

Coronavirus: Alarm as crowds flock to European beaches

Coo - people who have been locked up in their homes for weeks want to get out in the sun and go the seaside, I would never have believed it ;-)
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Message 2049956 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 15:18:40 UTC - in response to Message 2049955.  

Now we see this headline & story
Coronavirus: Alarm as crowds flock to European beaches
Coo - people who have been locked up in their homes for weeks want to get out in the sun and go the seaside, I would never have believed it ;-)
One would at least expect that at least one pic was presented in the article as an illustration of the crowds flock to the beaches.
Like from California when locked up.

Can you surf on the second wave? Never mind:)
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Message 2049987 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 18:30:58 UTC
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"The odd thing about reporting on the coronavirus is that the nonexperts are supremely confident in their predictions, while epidemiologists keep telling me that they don’t really know much at all."
A classic Dunning-Kruger effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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Message 2049990 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 18:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 2049987.  

You mean, like this:
But Prof James Wilsdon, an expert in science policy, at the University of Sheffield, says the lines between evidence-based science and politics are becoming "very blurred" and this will increase "as we try and tiptoe our way out of lockdown".
Politicians know what's best for us. :-)

As for your photo of that beach, made me think of this.
2 months of lockdown & the despair shown by many.
Wonder how they would've coped doing up to 6 years of captivity in a P.o.W camp?
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Message 2049992 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 19:03:27 UTC - in response to Message 2049990.  
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Politicians know what's best for us. :-)
Of course:) Some are even presidents of countries of major importance.
"In Trump we trust" is the motto in the USA for now.

About beach visitors. It's not really a big deal but I find it very odd that when a country have very strict rules during a lock down and now suddenly opening up. Sweden's "soft lock down" will last at very least to August. Since no one knows how this pandemic really work it could be longer time then that...

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Message 2049993 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 19:08:56 UTC
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Col Gianluca Angelini of the financial police said they had discovered "a true centre of power… in which dishonest public officials,
unscrupulous businessmen and entrepreneurs are willing to do anything to obtain contracts worth millions".
Italy the first to report this
Wonder how other countries are faring & will they report shenanigans in their neighbourhood?
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Message 2049996 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 19:37:38 UTC

"These are unprecedented times and we must recognise that this crisis will not disappear overnight," said Woodward.
Makes one wonder how clubs survived the war years
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Message 2050000 - Posted: 21 May 2020, 22:42:34 UTC

Why have over the past week, Sweden has had the highest average death rate in the world, in terms of population, according to statistics from Our world in data.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sverige-har-hogst-coronadodstal-per-invanare
State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell believes that the comparison is difficult and that the Swedish figure must be compared with other aspects.
- On the one hand, deaths per day have been picked, which we know is extremely variable in Sweden. We have deaths that range between four and 140, so that is not a relevant figure to take, and partly that the countries are at completely different stages in the spread of infection, he said during Wednesday's press conference.
- Looking at a week somewhere gives no clue as to who has succeeded more or less well with different measures.
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Message 2050013 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 2:00:55 UTC

It looks like the U.S. didn't like being outdone by Brazil yesterday and recorded a massive 28,179 new cases for the past 24hrs and 1,418 deaths. Is this just a blip or is it related to opening up the country and/or those "spread the virus" mobs?

Brazil recorded 17,564 new cases and 1,188 deaths in that same period making them the 3rd country to enter the 300,000 club and 6th to pass 20,000 deaths as well as putting them in a position to take Russia's short lived 2nd place from them in the next 24hrs.

India also continues to accelerate recording over 6000 new cases yesterday.
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Message 2050015 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 2:36:00 UTC - in response to Message 2050000.  

Why have over the past week, Sweden has had the highest average death rate in the world, in terms of population, according to statistics from Our world in data.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sverige-har-hogst-coronadodstal-per-invanare
State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell believes that the comparison is difficult and that the Swedish figure must be compared with other aspects.
- On the one hand, deaths per day have been picked, which we know is extremely variable in Sweden. We have deaths that range between four and 140, so that is not a relevant figure to take, and partly that the countries are at completely different stages in the spread of infection, he said during Wednesday's press conference.
- Looking at a week somewhere gives no clue as to who has succeeded more or less well with different measures.

Isn't that just the same as I posted in https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84230&postid=2049909#2049909
The Telegraph reports "Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita"
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Message 2050016 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 2:37:58 UTC - in response to Message 2050000.  

Why have over the past week, Sweden has had the highest average death rate in the world, in terms of population, according to statistics from Our world in data.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sverige-har-hogst-coronadodstal-per-invanare
State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell believes that the comparison is difficult and that the Swedish figure must be compared with other aspects.
- On the one hand, deaths per day have been picked, which we know is extremely variable in Sweden. We have deaths that range between four and 140, so that is not a relevant figure to take, and partly that the countries are at completely different stages in the spread of infection, he said during Wednesday's press conference.
- Looking at a week somewhere gives no clue as to who has succeeded more or less well with different measures.

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Message 2050027 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 7:46:06 UTC

The Telegraph reports "Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita"
Actually I wouldn't go that far.

Deaths per million of population top 10.

San Marino 1,209
Belgium 793
Andorra 660
Spain 598
Italy 537
U.K. 531
France 432
Sweden 384
Sint Maarten 350
Netherlands 337
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Message 2050031 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 8:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 2050027.  

Wasn't the debate around an instantaneous, one-day, spike, rather than the cumulative 'total to date' so far? Different questions, different answers.
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Message 2050037 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 10:41:16 UTC

Coronavirus: Immune clue sparks treatment hope
UK scientists are to begin testing a treatment that it is hoped could counter the effects of Covid-19 in the most seriously ill patients.
It has been found those with the most severe form of the disease have extremely low numbers of an immune cell called a T-cell.
T-cells clear infection from the body.
The clinical trial will evaluate if a drug called interleukin 7, known to boost T-cell numbers, can aid patients' recovery.
It involves scientists from the Francis Crick Institute, King's College London and Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital.
They have looked at immune cells in the blood of 60 Covid-19 patients and found an apparent crash in the numbers of T-cells.
Prof Adrian Hayday from the Crick Institute said it was a "great surprise" to see what was happening with the immune cells.

"They're trying to protect us, but the virus seems to be doing something that's pulling the rug from under them, because their numbers have declined dramatically.
In a microlitre (0.001ml) drop of blood, normal healthy adults have between 2,000 and 4,000 T-cells, also called T lymphocytes.

The Covid patients the team tested had between 200-1,200.
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Message 2050052 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 13:41:05 UTC

If this reflects worldwide, "The Donald" has no chance of getting all jobs back.
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Message 2050074 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 19:28:53 UTC - in response to Message 2050015.  

Isn't that just the same as I posted in https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84230&postid=2049909#2049909
The Telegraph reports "Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita"
Not quite. You forgot to give the link to the article you was quoting and only quoting the headline without the comments about what data they refer to. The Telegraph referred to a specific week when Sweden correctly had a very high mortality rate. It is very much explained in the Telegraph article.
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Message 2050082 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 21:46:00 UTC - in response to Message 2049678.  

The Guardian today has a strong article about one group of distributors: Agency staff were spreading Covid-19 between care homes, PHE found in April. So far, I've only seen the front page part of that story in a newspaper review: I'm heading out to the shop now to pick up the whole paper, to see if it names the seeder on page 6.

I have a recurring nightmare - and this is purely fictional, from my brain alone - that while Boris Johnson was safely tucked up in isolation/hospital, Dominic Cummings secretly crept out at night to seed the care homes. Reason? - everybody who has looked at the much-needed future reform of the British care system has shuddered at the cost, and put the file back on the shelf for the next government to deal with. So, let coronavirus cull the current occupants: no one will dare to move into the vacant rooms: the fees will dry up: the management will go bankrupt: Dom and his friends will be able to buy them up cheap in the resulting fire sale: and make a killing (sorry!) from the increased fees they'll be able to charge for the 'enhanced biosecurity' they'll be able to boast about when we've all forgotten about this and the next age-group need to be housed.

Please tell me it's not true.
Quoting myself, but sadly it's proving tonight to be at least partially true. It's being reported by the BBC, sourced to newspaper reports by the Guardian and the Daily Mirror, that Dominic Cummings and his wife both travelled 250 miles north from London to County Durham whilst knowing that they were both infected with covid-19. The effrontery of the man! I'm speechless.

No report of any direct link to care homes - yet.
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Message 2050084 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 22:20:17 UTC - in response to Message 2050082.  
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The same situation is in Sweden. Most of the people who die of Covid-19 are elderly people at care homes. Often having other underlying diseases. But with personal that has not been tested enough and shortage of PPE and many of them as 10 different people taking care of a single people everyday, what to suspect...
According to the latest data from the National Board of Health and Welfare, 52.6 percent of people over 70 who have died in covid-19 have lived in a retirement home. This involves more than 1,700 people.
The proportion varies widely between different municipalities. In Stockholm, which has had the most deaths overall, it is close to the national average, while in Gothenburg it is over 70 percent and in Västerås over 76. In Södertälje, 40km south of Stockholm, however, the proportion is below 30 percent.
Btw. Dominic Cummings is not the only one that doesn't follow their own restrictions as a politician to the public.
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Message 2050087 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 22:37:37 UTC - in response to Message 2050082.  

Richard I think many Republicans who hate social security and medicare feel the same way. This could be a very effective way to cull 10% of the claimants.
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Message 2050088 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 23:12:33 UTC

Well Brazil has shoved Russia aside to take 2nd place by reported cases, but I must ask why this wasn't done months ago.

UK lockdown: what are the new coronavirus restrictions?

Isn't it a bit like closing the stable doors after the horses have bolted?
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