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Perhaps too much and others may respectfully disagree and we understand their disagreements. But it is our way.

No disagreement there at all.

All very good healthy caution.


Unfortunately, there seem to be far too many that are unaware, uncaring, or just too dumb reckless to appreciate just how deadly they might be in their ignorance of doing just the smallest of things to keep a healthy distance so that others can live through this pandemic.

But then, such is the unholy mix of people we share the planet with...


Good luck!

Stay safe!
Martin

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Perhaps too much and others may respectfully disagree and we understand their disagreements. But it is our way.

No disagreement there at all.

All very good healthy caution.


... keep a healthy distance so that others can live through this pandemic...

But then also, I work 'unusual' hours in the IT world and so it is very easy for me to stay safely antisocial!!...

;-)


Good luck!

Stay safe!
Martin

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... keep a healthy distance so that others can live through this pandemic...

Whilst it is natural that people get fed up with all the lock down measures and can't see the wood for the trees it is always sound advise to be cautious.

Some may not have experienced issues with covid in their own (or family's or friend's) lives so it would seem less important to them.

I see simple precautions that we can all take as no different to all those people who chance vaccines so that they 'and the whole' can remain safe.

Some never take vaccines or inoculations due to disbelief but they benefit from others doing so non the less. (Polio comes to mind.)

Unless someone shows me a grand conspiracy by mask, gloves and sign manufacturers I'll do my bit as well as thank others for doing theirs.

Mask Business is HUGE.

MASK Making by Peoples; Companies; Corporations NO ONE Knows a THING ABOUT.

NO ONE KNOWs what CONDITIONs these 'NEWCOMERs' in MASK Making are Doing Their Work.

When you Put These MASKs on, Your First Breath may be One of Your Last, in a Soon to be COVid Experience You Didn't see
coming because in a Belief Your Mask is Made SAFELY and You Believe YOU WILL be SAFE.

Yeah, I saw dA 'NEW' CDC Press Release 'bout 'Surfaces'. So What? Same As It Ever Was.

Yep. Put On dAt Trusted MASK, from dAt 'TRUSTED' 'Source' and FEEL SAFE BABY!!!!!

I'll keep Breathing NATURALLY and KEEP Suckin' In Whatever Comes My Way. 'cept as noted below.

Like I Said Before, I've Used 'Protection' in Work I've Done. I Don't Like dA Taste and Feel of Metal; Wood; etc etc etc 'Grindings' and Blowing BLACK out of my Nose Every Work Day. Silicosis Sucks.

SUPERYep

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Boris says Stay Cheeki Breeki.

Dull I hope your bravado doesn't bite you.

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Dull I hope your bravado doesn't bite you.

Actually Dull has a point. China made a deal. Like Trump are trying to do. Love the Art of the Deal:)

The world wide count on reported cases has now passed 5 million and fast approaching 330,000 reported deaths.

The U.S. also got outperformed by Brazil with it recording 64 more new cases than the U.S. over the last 24hrs and jumping well into 3rd place with its sights now set on Russia's 2nd spot.

Russia also became the 2nd country to join the 300,000 club while Peru (12th spot) is the latest to enter the 100,000 club.

India (11th spot), Peru and Chile (18th spot) look to be putting their peddles to the metal as well with all recording >4K new cases (>5K in India's case), but they're not the only countries climbing the charts. Sadly there are still many punching well above their weight while there are still those that are yet to show their true impact.

Meanwhile, Japan (11th by population) is now down to 39th spot, South Korea (28th by population) is down to 45th place and Vietnam (15th by population) is down in 142nd spot (if you go to get cold and/or cough medicine there you get instantly tested and isolated until the results come in and that was 1 of their 1st actions taken).

I'm just happy that Australia now occupies the same position on both charts at 55th place and if our recently relaxed restrictions don't make an impact we should drop even further while our Kiwi buddies across the ditch have done well they still have a way to go to get from their current 93rd spot by cases versus 126th spot by population (but they should get there eventually, more likely when someone can get a count done in those poor 3rd world countries that just can't afford and don't have the basic facilities to do such things for themselves).

The BBC reports Coronavirus: World sees highest daily increase in virus cases - WHO

The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) warned Wednesday that the coronavirus pandemic is a long way from being over amid the largest daily rise in global cases.

The WHO said 106,000 new cases had been reported to them in the last 24 hours.

Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has expressed particular concern about rising infections in low and middle-income nations.

The warning comes as the total number of cases approach five million.

The grim milestone looks set to be reached less than two weeks after the world hit the four million mark.

@moomin any news from your end about this?

The Telegraph reports "Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita"

Sweden has 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants, higher than the UK, USA and Italy

Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.

According to figures collated by the Our World in Data website, Sweden had 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants per day on a rolling seven-day average between May 13 and May 20.

This is the highest in the world, above the UK, Belgium and the US, which have 5.57, 4.28 and 4.11 respectively.

One thing that does concern me are the densely populated, very low income cities and countries where even having an accurate population figure is difficult. In many of these places the culture is one of "people are born, they live, they die, that's what people do" and so the population sees no need to be counted, tell the authorities when someone is born or dies. An example of this was recounted to me by someone I know who spends a lot of time working in the Mumbai slums, ask a man how people live in his house and they may tell the truth, or just say "Two"; ask them how many children they have and they may say "five", ask how many births his wife has had and he may say "Nine". Look on the census record and, if you are lucky their house is actually recorded and it will tell you four adults are there (with an annotation to say the man questioned counted the census taker and assistant as well as his wife). The official birth/death records do not show any children born, living or dead..... What happens when someone dies, well the body is dragged off to the nearest bonefire (lots of them never go out), a quick Hindu blessing and the remaining family members head back home, no records, nothing. Why bother with records when everyone will die, just some do it sooner than others?
Now, in such places officialdom stands no chance, the few NGOs that are working there do what record keeping they can, but their figures are not official for two reasons, they weren't collected by government officials, and they aren't signed (thumb printed) by the head of the household. Now, if one of those slum areas becomes infected with any virus it won't be recorded officially. So what? Well, while the infection remains within the bounds of the slum it has no impact on the rest of the population, but the people living in the slum are out on the streets working, everything from scavenging for recyclable stuff, to running errands, to carrying water, to driving/riding tututs - in other words continuous contact with the population at large. India very rapidly put in place a lock-down, the "rich" obeyed it, the slum dwellers were forced to obey it. The infection rates in the slums were undoubtedly very high, but, as the lockdown was lifted they headed back out onto the streets to resume their old routines and so infected many more of the "rich" population.......
I would assume this scenario will play out in just about every city where there are massive slums, and one can see why Brazil has suddenly jumped up the scale :-(

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I visited Mumbai (or Bombay, as it still was then) in 1984, as our arrival point in India at the start of a 6-week touring holiday. So - very naive first-time traveller impressions of the city.

1) On the road in from the airport to the city centre. You pass(ed) alongside roughly-built shanty towns - ah, you think, the famous slums. But the people visible amongst the shanties included smart young men in western business suits, striding purposefully towards the business district. I think it's fairly general in these cities for there to be a migration from the rural hinterland towards the glittering lights, in search of fame and fortune. So there may be more daily interaction between 'the undocumented slum' and the westernised city centre than you might immediately expect. A coronavirus outbreak will spread from the city to the slum, and back from the slum to the city.

2) A few days later, in the city centre. We were there in monsoon season, so prone to sudden heavy rainstorms, and we got caught in one. I can clearly remember a commercial building with ordinary drainpipes, gushing rainwater onto the pavement. And a mother at the foot of one of them, giving a tiny baby an impromptu bath in this sudden abundance of fresh, clean, water. Full marks, I thought, for caring about cleanliness and quick thinking to use the opportunity. But who knows how she coped the rest of the time?

@moomin any news from your end about this?
The Telegraph reports "Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita"

Sweden has 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants, higher than the UK, USA and Italy
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
According to figures collated by the Our World in Data website, Sweden had 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants per day on a rolling seven-day average between May 13 and May 20.
This is the highest in the world, above the UK, Belgium and the US, which have 5.57, 4.28 and 4.11 respectively.

The Telegraph reports misleading data.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/sweden-becomes-country-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita/

However, Sweden has only had the highest death rate over the past week, with Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK and France, still ahead over the entire course of the pandemic.
State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the spokesman for Sweden's outlier coronavirus strategy, dismissed the figures on Tuesday night, arguing that it was misleading to focus on the death toll over a single week....

There are seven more countries that have higher coronavirus death rate per capita then Sweden. San Marino, Belgium , Andorra, Spain, Italy, UK and France.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Many people believe that comparisons between the death rates of different countries are like comparing apples and oranges and that no relevant conclusions can be reached at this time.
Why it's difficult to compare death rates.
1. The definition.
There are important differences in how deaths are defined in different countries, because it is not obvious. Even here in Sweden, authorities count in slightly different ways. The statistics on deaths presented by the Public Health Authority consist of people who have received a laboratory-confirmed covid-19 diagnosis and who are reported as deceased. To supplement, excess mortality is also investigated. Thus, the number of deceased in comparison with how many people are expected to die. The National Board of Health statistics are instead based on the cause of death certificate.
2. Reporting.
There are also differences in what deaths are reported. In many countries, deaths are reported mainly deaths in hospitals. The proportion of people who die in housing for the elderly is often missing from the statistics. Sweden is one of the countries that reports deaths from nursing homes for elderly as well. Deaths that happen in the home are also largely missed and therefore excess mortality is an important measure.
3. Time aspects.
Another reason why it is inappropriate to draw conclusions from death statistics is that it is too early to say anything. The statistics drag on different countries that are in different phases. Some countries that have delayed the spread of disease through drastic measures risk a sharp increase in the number of deaths when restrictions are eased. It is only at a later stage that we will really be able to see how the mortality in various ways was affected by the covid-19 pandemic.

Actually I'm going to have to disagree with you greatly on this moomin. :-(

By population your country sits in 91st spot by population, yet it does punch well above its weight infection (24th place currently yet being pushed down by other lesser developed counties) and death wise while neighbouring countries do very much better.

I'm sorry, but then numbers don't lie buddy.

Actually I'm going to have to disagree with you greatly on this moomin. :-(

By population your country sits in 91st spot by population, yet it does punch well above its weight infection (24th place currently yet being pushed down by other lesser developed counties) and death wise while neighbouring countries do very much better.

I'm sorry, but then numbers don't lie buddy.

What numbers are you talking about? I repeat. You cannot compare countries like that. Too many unknown factors. Numbers do lie! btw Norway has a much lesser population density then for instance the Stockholm region were most covid-19 cases are found.

Everyone..........EVERYONE, manipulates 'numbers' to fit the picture they champion.

Two favorite tools of manipulation are 'percentages' and 'ratios'.

By carefully choosing time frames and winnowing input a 'picture' can be made to say anything....

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Everyone..........EVERYONE, manipulates 'numbers' to fit the picture they champion.
Two favorite tools of manipulation are 'percentages' and 'ratios'.
By carefully choosing time frames and winnowing input a 'picture' can be made to say anything....

That's very true unfortunately... Especially media does it.

I'm so very sorry that some here can't compute simple maths and work out trends and observations (or is it that some just don't want to admit to their country's leadership and systems sre failing them badly?). :-(

I'm so very sorry that some here can't compute simple maths and work out trends and observations (or is it that some just don't want to admit to their country's leadership is failing them badly?). :-(

Nonsense. Doing projections on the data that is available from this pandemic is impossible and it's not simple math! And in Sweden it's not the government that rule health care. It's appointed health authorities that do that and the government is not even allowed to interfere in their work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_analysis

I'm so very sorry that some here can't compute simple maths and work out trends and observations (or is it that some just don't want to admit to their country's leadership is failing them badly?). :-(

Nonsense. Doing projections on the data that is available from this pandemic is impossible and it's not simple math! And in Sweden it's not the government that rule health care. It's appointed health authorities that do that and the government is not even allowed to interfere in their work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_analysis

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