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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20971 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I love the chart moomin,............. Those excuses to ignore any/all reality sounds just like the excuses excusing the problem of man-made Global Warming and Climate Change... Really, is all that lot made up? Can we ignore that we've already seen more deaths in recent months than for previous decades of wars? All only in the USA? Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Well the U.K. has joined the U.S., Brazil and Russia at the top of the total cases list (the U.K. is still in 2nd place for total deaths, but Brazil will soon change that) and is it a coincidence that all 4 countries have leaders who treated the threat as not much more than a joke to begin with? But that will change in the next 24-36hrs as India will have by then put them back into 5th place. Brazil has passed 700.000 cases (the 2nd to do so) while India is ready to roll over Spain for 5th place after reporting over 12,000 cases in the last 24hrs. Peru became the 8th country to pass 200,000 cases while Iran (10th), Chile (13th), Mexico (14th), Pakistan (15th), Saudi Arabia (16th), Bangladesh (19th) and South Africa (22nd) are on a fast charge upwards. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Addendum to update.... Nobody knows anything,.............but EVERYBODY'S got a pretty chart.............. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Russia is now officially the 3rd country to record 500,000 cases (unofficially who knows) while Mexico and Pakistan have both recorded ever increasing daily numbers again. Other than a couple of cases of those in strict quarantine after returning from overseas Victoria here still looks to be our hot spot state, but Australia is down to 68th by total cases (55th by population) and 73rd by total deaths now, though we still have a week to go after last weekend's protests to see the effect of them. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks. The massive increase in testing will also contribute greatly to an increasing number of cases reported. The infection numbers should not be the data considered as the primary indicator of increased or decreased existence of the disease. The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.Providing your country has sufficient (operational) hospital capacity to accept and record all referrals. Read, or listen to, the reports from Yemen. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
That's true. Increase testing and the death rates per million will lower. Looks better but it doesn't say anything really. Sweden don't test so much like other countries and of course our death rates per million is horrible compared to other countries. The hospitalization rates is perhaps not a good indicator either since so many die of Covid-19 in nursing homes and at home.It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.Providing your country has sufficient (operational) hospital capacity to accept and record all referrals. Read, or listen to, the reports from Yemen. .....Uh..........I believe the PEOPLE of Yemen have a far greater chance of fatality from starvation and 'lead' poisoning from rebel groups than Covid...... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
As the U.S. continues on unabated Brazil has jumped past 800,000 cases and 41,000 deaths and will soon take 2nd spot for deaths from the U.K. India leapt pass both Spain and the U.K. and into 4th spot spot by total cases and will within hours become the 4th country to pass 300,000 cases. Also within hours France will be dislodged from 12th spot by Chile while Bangladesh is set to take 18th spot from China and South Africa will take Belgium's 21st place from them. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
India leapt pass both Spain and the U.K. and into 4th spot spot by total cases and will within hours become the 4th country to pass 300,000 cases.And India is one of the countries where hospitalization can't be used as a reliable metric: Coronavirus: Overwhelmed India hospitals turn Covid patients away India’s capital Delhi could have more than half a million coronavirus cases by the end of July, according to officials. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Meanwhile, the number of Covid-19 cases in the country’s worst-affected city, Mumbai, has surpassed Wuhan in China, where the virus first appeared. Not a good comparison as I think everyone agrees that any of the numbers reported by China are highly questionable. That however is a minor concern to the people of Mumbai. Here's a city where the population lives in each other's pockets even more so than New York. The majority of them 'dirt poor' by modern standards and unable to quarantine in any sense of the word. And correct 'hospitalization' statistics will only reflect those who actually get admitted there. Yes, India and many third world peoples are going to have a tough go, India will be a real testing ground of the effectiveness of masks but little else. And this is the reason for a rapid development AND deployment of a vaccine. That is the only hope for survival the elderly in those places can cling to. And one wonders what effect the Polio vaccination fiasco still smoldering in the Indian courts whether based on fact or rumor, will have on willingness to receive ANY inoculations. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30925 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30925 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I wouldn't worry about the hospitals being overrun, if the crematory can't keep up ... https://www.ranker.com/list/bubonic-plague-body-collector-facts/genevieve-carlton Giovanni Boccaccio, who witnessed the plague first-hand, said that Florence itself turned into a sepulchre because of the piles of bodies. “Many died daily or nightly in the public streets.†For thousands who died in their homes, “the departure was hardly observed by their neighbors, until the stench of their putrefying bodies carried the tidings.†<ed>https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/cemeteries-overflow-aden-covid-19-deaths-spike-yemen-200525064212684.html Cemeteries in Aden are overflowing with graves, suggesting that the number of people killed by the new coronavirus is higher than the official count. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4rR-OsTNCg But seriously. In Italy 34,223 people have died in Covid-19 as of today. In the US 116,825 has died. That's nothing compared to the Black Death in the Middle Ages when about one third of population died in Europe. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
That's nothing compared to the Black Death in the Middle Ages when about one third of population died in Europe.And that's where modern day medical practices make the difference, well that's if your country can provide it. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Ok. From what I understand about 11% more people die of virus deceases than it usually does every year. So far I must add and that's how it is in Sweden. Here medical practices are still sufficient enough to all of us. Almost. The elderly people at nursing homes are not protected at all in many cases. Actually some homes are like "Bring out the dead":( |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Hospitals in India are running very close to capacity even in normal times :-( Add the extra number of casualties coming in with Covid-19 (or indeed any disease outbreak) they get overloaded, and basically many people don't bother even trying to get into hospital, but sit it out at home.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Hospitals in India are running very close to capacity even in normal times :-(Their neighbour Bangladesh is in the same boat, but they also have to deal with over a million refugees coming from Myanmar at the same time and their other neighbour Pakistan, well who knows? :-( And then there's those African countries that have even less healthcare facilities than those. 😢 |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I'm awaiting a periodic letter from friends working for an NGO in the CAR - I get about three a year, and the last one was at the end of March so the next one is about due. Previously they said they were watching the situation, but no infection where they are (in the middle of the bush), but were concerned if it arrived in the capital Bangui there would be a significant death rate there and the surrounding areas. For those that don't know the CAR is rated as one of the unhealthiest countries in the world. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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