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Message 2051507 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 15:45:03 UTC - in response to Message 2051487.  

I love the chart moomin,.............

'POSSIBLE'......waves to come.............

Nobody knows anything,.............but EVERYBODY'S got a pretty chart..............

I'm sure those wishing for a world of Socialist/Communist absolute control of the peasants are rooting for more waves.

Best way to destroy a Free Capitalist society is to prohibit Free Capitalism...........and disease is a great excuse.

Now if we can only convince those pesky Yanks that you can catch Covid-19 from firearms.............

Those excuses to ignore any/all reality sounds just like the excuses excusing the problem of man-made Global Warming and Climate Change...

Really, is all that lot made up?

Can we ignore that we've already seen more deaths in recent months than for previous decades of wars?


All only in the USA?

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Message 2051514 - Posted: 10 Jun 2020, 23:16:38 UTC

Well the U.K. has joined the U.S., Brazil and Russia at the top of the total cases list (the U.K. is still in 2nd place for total deaths, but Brazil will soon change that) and is it a coincidence that all 4 countries have leaders who treated the threat as not much more than a joke to begin with? But that will change in the next 24-36hrs as India will have by then put them back into 5th place.

Brazil has passed 700.000 cases (the 2nd to do so) while India is ready to roll over Spain for 5th place after reporting over 12,000 cases in the last 24hrs. Peru became the 8th country to pass 200,000 cases while Iran (10th), Chile (13th), Mexico (14th), Pakistan (15th), Saudi Arabia (16th), Bangladesh (19th) and South Africa (22nd) are on a fast charge upwards.
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Message 2051539 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 5:26:52 UTC

Addendum to update....
Nobody knows anything,.............but EVERYBODY'S got a pretty chart..............


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Message 2051546 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 9:24:29 UTC

Russia is now officially the 3rd country to record 500,000 cases (unofficially who knows) while Mexico and Pakistan have both recorded ever increasing daily numbers again.

Other than a couple of cases of those in strict quarantine after returning from overseas Victoria here still looks to be our hot spot state, but Australia is down to 68th by total cases (55th by population) and 73rd by total deaths now, though we still have a week to go after last weekend's protests to see the effect of them.
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Message 2051550 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 10:26:25 UTC

It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks.
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Message 2051562 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 12:33:15 UTC - in response to Message 2051550.  

It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks.

The massive increase in testing will also contribute greatly to an increasing number of cases reported. The infection numbers should not be the data considered as the primary indicator of increased or decreased existence of the disease. The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.

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Message 2051571 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 13:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 2051562.  

The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.
Providing your country has sufficient (operational) hospital capacity to accept and record all referrals. Read, or listen to, the reports from Yemen.
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Message 2051572 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 13:35:50 UTC - in response to Message 2051562.  
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It will be interesting to see what happens to infection & death rates in the next few weeks as the effects of the world-wide protests and easing of lock-down in many countries are shown. Sadly I think we might see bumps in many countries that have had big, sustained drops over the last few weeks.

The massive increase in testing will also contribute greatly to an increasing number of cases reported. The infection numbers should not be the data considered as the primary indicator of increased or decreased existence of the disease. The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.
That's true. Increase testing and the death rates per million will lower. Looks better but it doesn't say anything really. Sweden don't test so much like other countries and of course our death rates per million is horrible compared to other countries. The hospitalization rates is perhaps not a good indicator either since so many die of Covid-19 in nursing homes and at home.
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Message 2051574 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 14:15:11 UTC - in response to Message 2051571.  

The hospitalization rates are a much more revealing indicator of the disease activity.
Providing your country has sufficient (operational) hospital capacity to accept and record all referrals. Read, or listen to, the reports from Yemen.

.....Uh..........I believe the PEOPLE of Yemen have a far greater chance of fatality from starvation and 'lead' poisoning from rebel groups than Covid......

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Message 2051651 - Posted: 12 Jun 2020, 10:03:25 UTC
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As the U.S. continues on unabated Brazil has jumped past 800,000 cases and 41,000 deaths and will soon take 2nd spot for deaths from the U.K.

India leapt pass both Spain and the U.K. and into 4th spot spot by total cases and will within hours become the 4th country to pass 300,000 cases.

Also within hours France will be dislodged from 12th spot by Chile while Bangladesh is set to take 18th spot from China and South Africa will take Belgium's 21st place from them.
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Message 2051653 - Posted: 12 Jun 2020, 10:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 2051651.  

India leapt pass both Spain and the U.K. and into 4th spot spot by total cases and will within hours become the 4th country to pass 300,000 cases.
And India is one of the countries where hospitalization can't be used as a reliable metric:

Coronavirus: Overwhelmed India hospitals turn Covid patients away

India’s capital Delhi could have more than half a million coronavirus cases by the end of July, according to officials.

Meanwhile, the number of Covid-19 cases in the country’s worst-affected city, Mumbai, has surpassed Wuhan in China, where the virus first appeared.

Hospitals in the country are struggling to cope with the number of patients they’re getting. Many are dying without getting the treatment they need.
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Message 2051656 - Posted: 12 Jun 2020, 12:18:49 UTC

Meanwhile, the number of Covid-19 cases in the country’s worst-affected city, Mumbai, has surpassed Wuhan in China, where the virus first appeared.

Not a good comparison as I think everyone agrees that any of the numbers reported by China are highly questionable. That however is a minor concern to the people of Mumbai. Here's a city where the population lives in each other's pockets even more so than New York. The majority of them 'dirt poor' by modern standards and unable to quarantine in any sense of the word.

And correct 'hospitalization' statistics will only reflect those who actually get admitted there.

Yes, India and many third world peoples are going to have a tough go, India will be a real testing ground of the effectiveness of masks but little else. And this is the reason for a rapid development AND deployment of a vaccine. That is the only hope for survival the elderly in those places can cling to. And one wonders what effect the Polio vaccination fiasco still smoldering in the Indian courts whether based on fact or rumor, will have on willingness to receive ANY inoculations.

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Message 2051701 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 0:36:40 UTC - in response to Message 2051680.  
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I wouldn't worry about the hospitals being overrun, if the crematory can't keep up ...
https://www.ranker.com/list/bubonic-plague-body-collector-facts/genevieve-carlton
Giovanni Boccaccio, who witnessed the plague first-hand, said that Florence itself turned into a sepulchre because of the piles of bodies. “Many died daily or nightly in the public streets.” For thousands who died in their homes, “the departure was hardly observed by their neighbors, until the stench of their putrefying bodies carried the tidings.”

The epidemic itself was a crisis, but it also created a major problem for cities trying to get rid of all the bodies. The body collectors had to travel the streets, carting away corpses in what might be history’s most undesirable job.

<ed>https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/cemeteries-overflow-aden-covid-19-deaths-spike-yemen-200525064212684.html
Cemeteries in Aden are overflowing with graves, suggesting that the number of people killed by the new coronavirus is higher than the official count.
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Message 2051703 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 1:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 2051701.  

Reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4rR-OsTNCg
But seriously. In Italy 34,223 people have died in Covid-19 as of today.
In the US 116,825 has died.
That's nothing compared to the Black Death in the Middle Ages when about one third of population died in Europe.
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Message 2051706 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 2:01:09 UTC

That's nothing compared to the Black Death in the Middle Ages when about one third of population died in Europe.
And that's where modern day medical practices make the difference, well that's if your country can provide it.
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Message 2051708 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 2:44:05 UTC - in response to Message 2051706.  

Ok. From what I understand about 11% more people die of virus deceases than it usually does every year. So far I must add and that's how it is in Sweden. Here medical practices are still sufficient enough to all of us. Almost. The elderly people at nursing homes are not protected at all in many cases. Actually some homes are like "Bring out the dead":(
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Message 2051716 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 8:03:23 UTC - in response to Message 2051701.  

Hospitals in India are running very close to capacity even in normal times :-(
Add the extra number of casualties coming in with Covid-19 (or indeed any disease outbreak) they get overloaded, and basically many people don't bother even trying to get into hospital, but sit it out at home....
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Message 2051717 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 8:23:30 UTC - in response to Message 2051716.  
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Hospitals in India are running very close to capacity even in normal times :-(
Add the extra number of casualties coming in with Covid-19 (or indeed any disease outbreak) they get overloaded, and basically many people don't bother even trying to get into hospital, but sit it out at home....
Their neighbour Bangladesh is in the same boat, but they also have to deal with over a million refugees coming from Myanmar at the same time and their other neighbour Pakistan, well who knows? :-(

And then there's those African countries that have even less healthcare facilities than those. 😢
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Message 2051718 - Posted: 13 Jun 2020, 8:39:25 UTC - in response to Message 2051717.  

I'm awaiting a periodic letter from friends working for an NGO in the CAR - I get about three a year, and the last one was at the end of March so the next one is about due. Previously they said they were watching the situation, but no infection where they are (in the middle of the bush), but were concerned if it arrived in the capital Bangui there would be a significant death rate there and the surrounding areas. For those that don't know the CAR is rated as one of the unhealthiest countries in the world.
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