Are these the 'real' numbers?


Coronavirus: How many people have died in the UK?
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The number of people who have died because of Covid-19 is nearly twice as high as the figure we hear announced every day...

... Looking back at death registrations filed then, the figure is higher: just over 36,000 death certificates mentioned Covid-19.

The measure preferred by statisticians, counting all deaths above what would be expected, was even higher: more than 50,000.

Each measure answers different questions...

All in our only one world.

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As the U.S. continues on its merry way, Russia has recorded another 10K+ day as it rushes to catch up with Spain and Brazil threw in another 11K+ day clearing France and is now in hot pursuit of Italy.

Meanwhile India and Peru are in a dual to see who'll take China's 11th spot off them and Saudi Arabia has slipped past the Netherlands into 16th place with Mexico, Pakistan and Chile in a race to see who'll be next to knock them further down.

Israel is down to 32nd, Japan down to 34th, South Korea 43rd and Australia will lose its 50th spot to Argentina very soon with a few more countries slowly catching up.

But this COVID-19 has certainly brought the nutters out. :-(

Conspiracy theorists, far-right extremists around the world seize on the pandemic.

Maybe now is the time to swept them all up while they're out and put away for their and the rest of us own safeties. ;-)

Are these the 'real' numbers?

And therein lies a major problem. Country 'A' is counting apples only while Country 'B' is including oranges and pineapples.

Without a standardized rule of what constitutes a fatality of Covid and what is an 'other' but also had Covid positivity there won't be an accurate tally. The WHO used to be looked to for that definition but with their reputation now tarnished by their acquiescence to the Chinese Government's wish to conceal numbers and details of the origin, it's a free for all.

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Are these the 'real' numbers?

And therein lies a major problem. Country 'A' is counting apples only while Country 'B' is including oranges and pineapples.

Without a standardized rule of what constitutes a fatality of Covid and what is an 'other' but also had Covid positivity there won't be an accurate tally. The WHO used to be looked to for that definition but with their reputation now tarnished by their acquiescence to the Chinese Government's wish to conceal numbers and details of the origin, it's a free for all.

That also applies to the US States. WaPo - Which deaths count toward the covid-19 death toll? It depends on the state.

In Alabama, officials have ruled that one of every 10 people who died with covid-19 did not die of covid-19. Among those excluded from the numbers reported to the federal government were a bedbound patient with aspiration pneumonia in one lung and a person with a buildup of fluid and partial collapse of one lung.

Colorado, by contrast, has included some deaths where the disease caused by the novel coronavirus was deemed probable — based on symptoms and possible exposure — but not confirmed through a test.

In the UK, I believe it depends very much on the actions of individual medical practitioners. When my mother passed away five years ago, I was handed a sealed envelope prepared by her family doctor, who had been responsible for supervising her medical care while she was living in a residential care home. I was directed to take this envelope to the county Registrar when registering the death.

The certificate prepared by the Registrar says that the cause of death was "Cerebrovascular Accident" - which I understand to imply a problem with blood supply to the brain. The care home staff also told me that they had no doubt that my mother was also suffering from Alzheimer's disease (dementia).

I believe that it is quite common for family doctors to restrict themselves to bald, medical, facts when preparing the death certificate - to protect the feelings of grieving family members. Words like 'suicide', 'HIV', 'AIDS', 'Alzheimer's', and now 'coronavirus', may be avoided, even if relevant.

Since the data relay passes from family doctor, to Registrar, to state statistical office, to federal statistical office, there are many opportunities for these well-meaning protections of feelings to distort the final global report.

That also applies to the US States. WaPo - Which deaths count toward the covid-19 death toll? It depends on the state.

In Alabama, officials have ruled that one of every 10 people who died with covid-19 did not die of covid-19. Among those excluded from the numbers reported to the federal government were a bedbound patient with aspiration pneumonia in one lung and a person with a buildup of fluid and partial collapse of one lung.

Colorado, by contrast, has included some deaths where the disease caused by the novel coronavirus was deemed probable — based on symptoms and possible exposure — but not confirmed through a test.

Exactly my point.

I believe that it is quite common for family doctors to restrict themselves to bald, medical, facts when preparing the death certificate - to protect the feelings of grieving family members. Words like 'suicide', 'HIV', 'AIDS', 'Alzheimer's', and now 'coronavirus', may be avoided, even if relevant.

In the litigious rife United States, it is probably the Doctors, Hospitals and Care Facilities also covering their donkies. (If we list as Covid, they won't investigate the possibly botched procedures giving the ambulance chasing vulture attorneys nourishment).

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WaPo - McConnell’s claim that Obama left behind no ‘game plan’ for the coronavirus outbreak

“They claim pandemics only happen once every hundred years but what if that’s no longer true? We want to be early, ready for the next one, because clearly the Obama administration did not leave to this administration any kind of game plan for something like this.”

— Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), in an online discussion hosted by the Trump campaign, May 11, 2020

There is little continuity in the top levels of the U.S. government when one political party replaces the presidential administration led by another. The natural inclination is to ignore much of the work left behind by the previous folks — and to reinvent the wheel all over again.

But former Obama administration officials cried foul after McConnell’s comments. “We literally left them a 69-page Pandemic Playbook.... that they ignored,” tweeted Ron Klain, the former “Ebola czar” in the Obama administration.

What’s going on?

Most notably, the color-coded document lists dozens of pointed and detailed questions that top policymakers should be asking themselves if a novel virus suddenly emerges overseas. For instance:

Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for health-care workers who are providing medical care? If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?

Document available at Politico - Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?...


Only in the USA?

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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?...

Isn't that a distraction from unfunding the WHO the only group that can combat a pandemic?

Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?...


Only in the USA?

Stay safe!
Martin

From everyone's favorite fact checker:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-cut-cdc-budget/

What's True

The Trump administration's proposed 2021 budget includes cuts to the CDC's activities related to chronic disease.

What's False

Congress hasn't approved the budget, so CDC funding in 2021 remains unclear.

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Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?...


Only in the USA?

Stay safe!
Martin

From everyone's favorite fact checker:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-cut-cdc-budget/

What's True

The Trump administration's proposed 2021 budget includes cuts to the CDC's activities related to chronic disease.

What's False

Congress hasn't approved the budget, so CDC funding in 2021 remains unclear.

Forgot the timeline again. 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-bars-reopen-evers/

“We’re the Wild West,” Evers told MSNBC’s Ali Velshi on Wednesday night, reacting to the state Supreme Court’s ruling and the scenes of people partying in bars all across Wisconsin. “There are no restrictions at all across the state of Wisconsin. … So at this point in time … there is nothing that’s compelling people to do anything other than having chaos here.”

What is the shock there? SCOTUS considers the entire USA to be the Wild West. Stare decisis. The USA is unchanged from 1776.
Letting lawyers run the country? How amoral.

Is that supposed to be a distraction from Trump having 'defunded' the present "CDC" group that were responsible for coordinating for any pandemic?...

They may not have been completely defunded yet, but they've certainly been defenestrated.

It amazes me how many times the subject has been discussed in this thread by the same participants and still there is no understanding the fact that the expenditures of the US Government are determined in CONGRESS.

They have the power to fund or de-fund ALL US Government expenditures. The House of Representatives are responsible under the Constitution for submitting and approving a budget each year. There have been a number of years (most under Democrat control) that no budget was approved or even submitted. Just 'continuing resolutions' of expenditure.

Though requested many times, the process of Presidential Line Item Veto has never been authorized(also a job of Congress), therefore any reductions in spending made to any agency or department was in the total control of, AND approved by the Congress, Not The President(no matter WHO was in office).

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It amazes me how many times the subject has been discussed in this thread by the same participants and still there is no understanding the fact that the expenditures of the US Government are determined in CONGRESS.

They have the power to fund or de-fund ALL US Government expenditures. The House of Representatives are responsible under the Constitution for submitting and approving a budget each year. There have been a number of years (most under Democrat control) that no budget was approved or even submitted. Just 'continuing resolutions' of expenditure.

Though requested many times, the process of Presidential Line Item Veto has never been authorized(also a job of Congress), therefore any reductions in spending made to any agency or department was in the total control of, AND approved by the Congress, Not The President(no matter WHO was in office).

Moscow Mitch is the legislative road block.

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... approved by the Congress, Not The President...

Is there not the debilitating trickery of year-long lumping unrelated funding items together into an unfathomable huge multi-TRILLIONs dollars conglomeration and then adding politicking, procrastinating, posturing, and brinkmanship panic, all such that the system is totally unworkable and disfunctional?

Meanwhile, lost amongst all that in small relatively insignificant twiddlings, the President dost play to great fanfare...

A recent example not to be forgotten is the Trump wall of Xenophobia Mexico...

And what else silliness?


Only in the USA?
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Back to the core subject of the thread....
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-cases-georgia-florida-continue-153633256.html
Coronavirus Cases in Georgia, Florida Continue to Decline Despite Business Openings

.....the canary seems to have survived the trip into the coal mine......so far...

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A recent example not to be forgotten is the Trump wall of Xenophobia Mexico...
And what else silliness?

How about this: Home of the brave bigots

Back to the core subject of the thread....
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-cases-georgia-florida-continue-153633256.html
Coronavirus Cases in Georgia, Florida Continue to Decline Despite Business Openings

.....the canary seems to have survived the trip into the coal mine......so far...

Wait the 2 week incubation period then pass judgment.

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It amazes me how many times the subject has been discussed in this thread by the same participants and still there is no understanding the fact that the expenditures of the US Government are determined in CONGRESS.

Like when CONGRESS says spend money on military overseas and King Donald builds a wall?