What the F**k!
This pic from the Aljazeera article is BEFORE the Swedish lockdown a couple of weeks ago!

People walk in Stockholm, Sweden, where the government has not imposed a lockdown, unlike other European countries, on April 4, 2020.

And the talk of eugenics... That's nonsense. Actually really scary talking!
The most racist talk I hear in Sweden is "Jävla Svenne" from immigrants or so called refugees (male kids from 15 to 25) howling at you.

Covid 19 Eugenics?!
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/coronavirus-herd-immunity-eugenics-market-200414104531234.html

Coronavirus, herd immunity and the eugenics of the market

There is a clear element of eugenics in the proposals to pursue herd immunity as a strategy against the pandemic.

All around the world, we hear experts and government officials - including, strangely, public health specialists - reminding us that the economic costs of implementing strict measures to contain COVID-19 need to be weighed seriously against the public health costs of not being able to stop the spread of the virus.

It has become increasingly difficult to disentangle objective medical opinions about the best way to fight the pandemic, from neoliberal views that see prolonged stoppages and lockdowns as existential threats to profit.

As more people get infected, this would build herd immunity, meaning that once a large proportion of the population gets infected (more than 50 percent), then this would protect the rest from infection.

While UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his advisers sparked an uproar when they bluntly proposed this approach - and later, at least formally, backtracked - this is actually something approved by politicians and public health experts in Sweden, the Netherlands and Norway as well.

Let us assume for now that this response is scientifically sound, and that within a certain prolonged period of time - experts talk about several months - herd immunity is built. Even with the best care in place, and without the kind of health system collapse that we are witnessing in Lombardy, Madrid and New York City, we know that COVID-19 kills significantly more than influenza. As a recent study by Imperial College shows, widespread contagion would also lead to a large number of deaths.

So why would a public health policy be acceptable simply because, as far as we know, the virus kills primarily old people and people with underlying conditions? What does this say about a society that accepts that the elderly and the sick can die in numbers, as an alternative to widespread economic damage caused by more stringent suppression measures?

It is hard not to read eugenic implications in this kind of thinking: the "herd" will survive, but for that to happen, other "weaker" members of society need to be sacrificed. And while Johnson's right-wing political milieu is associated with the recent revival of racial science, there are no hints of a far-right conspiracy in Sweden, for example, where the centre-left government has confidently stood by the advice of the Public Health Agency, firmly opposing suppression measures.

The Norwegian and Swedish states have a long history of adopting policies based on eugenics that continued well after World War II. Eugenics was deployed throughout the 20th century as a branch of scientific state management, part of a social engineering project that envisioned a society made of physically healthy and "socially fit" individuals.

It was closely associated with the development of the welfare state, and resulted in cruel practices, such as the forced sterilisation of mentally ill people.

Setting aside the long shadow of the past, it is the very argument that the economy is more important than people's health that is based on a eugenic logic. Instead of the ethnos and the nation, we have the market that rules supreme over people's lives, and is given the power of life and death over its subjects.

We cannot interfere with the market, these arguments seem to suggest, or else we will be punished. This is also what US President Donald Trump recently tried to convey when he said the deaths caused by an economic crisis due to lockdowns and stoppages will be far higher than the mortality of COVID-19 itself. He suggested, without any evidence, that, by favouring the markets over public health, he is in fact rescuing the United States from an even bigger catastrophe.

In the perverse eugenics of the market, the elderly and the sick have become the "others" of the pandemic. In symbolic terms, this is akin to how refugees and migrants are portrayed in debates about freedom of movement and migration. The COVID-19 public health messaging across the West is largely directed at the "healthy" population: the "you" here is a healthy person that not only is not likely to die, but in the large majority of cases might only experience light symptoms, if any at all.

This effectively reassures the public that identifies with that "you", that COVID-19 is a problem really only for the "others". And if you want to be charitable, just apply a modicum of social distancing to reduce contagion so that they do not all become severely ill or die.

So while there is talk about safety, there is little evidence that most countries intend to take serious steps to contain the outbreak, or that they have the capacity to do so in the immediate future. The prospect that states and markets might just let people get sick, albeit perhaps at a slower pace, is a very real one.

<ed>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-congressman-says-he-s-willing-let-more-americans-die-n1184036

Reopening the economy is preferable to preventing a new wave of coronavirus deaths, a member of Congress from Indiana said Tuesday.

"It is policymakers' decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils," Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth told radio station WIBC-FM of Indianapolis. "It is not zero evil, but it is the lesser of these two evils, and we intend to move forward that direction."

Interesting when viewed chronologically.........

In the hindsight...
Did WHO and China wash their hands before handshaking in Jan. 21?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute

The Hudson Institute is a politically conservative, 501(c)(3) non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1961 in Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist, and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND Corporation.

According to its website, the Institute promotes "American leadership and global engagement for a secure, free, and prosperous future." It promotes public policy change in accordance with its stated belief that "America's unique and central role in the global system offers the best foundation for security, the defense of liberty, and assuring economic growth."

Interesting when viewed chronologically.........

https://www.hudson.org/research/15920-coronavirus-timeline?fbclid=IwAR1taPKu689TQaqDEc-Rlcf1cpxqbcsEvbrxE_AkkGK_gr6VZaby8JqJFPA

Coronavirus Timeline

Hudson Institute

This timeline focuses on the origins of the novel coronavirus and the Chinese Communist Party’s response. It is based on publicly available sources and will be updated as new information emerges.

Last updated: April 14, 2020

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https://www.sciencealert.com/more-evidence-suggests-pangolins-may-have-passed-coronavirus-from-bats-to-humans
<ed>https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/group/pangolins/

But then...
Analysis of SARS-cov-2 shows that it is not the pangolins that have spread the new corona virus to humans, as previously thought.
Scientists have calculated the mutation rate of the virus and found that the closest relative to SARS-cov-2 and the pangolins coronavirus comes from in 1882, which is far too remote for the pangolins to have been able to infect humans today.
Well. What to belive...

https://www.sciencealert.com/more-evidence-suggests-pangolins-may-have-passed-coronavirus-from-bats-to-humans

<ed>https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/group/pangolins/

... Another bit of news. About Trumps favoured drug, Chloroquine .
Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

Study abandoned after 11 of the volunteer patients died.

Then also, when there is nothing else that can be tried...

Here's hoping the Trump promotion of the unproven use of Chloroquine isn't going to kill more than it supposedly might randomly 'cure'...


Stay safe!
Martin

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Wet market?
Now the suspicion is directed at street dogs who have eaten bats. This is shown by molecular biologist Xuhua Xia at the University of Ottawa, Canada, in a new study presented in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution .
In some parts of China you eat bats. One conceivable scenario is therefore that street dogs have eaten leftovers from human bats. This way, the virus gets into the dog's intestinal system.
"Dogs have a habit of licking themselves in the buttocks, or smelling others in the buttocks. They then get the virus into the respiratory tract. Then maybe they lick dogs that are pets, which then in turn lick people in the face," says Björn Olsen.
The virus migrates from the intestines of dogs to then enter human airways and makes us sick.
Björn Olsen now believes that the next step is to take fecal samples from street dogs in Wuhan to prove that the dogs are indeed carriers of the virus.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/ny-forskning-gatuhundar-kan-ha-spridit-sars-cov-2

But needless to say. Close the wet markets now! Stacking live wild animals like that...

Thanks for the good links.

Another possible vector is for suffering infection via 'artisan medicines' that use animal parts/products. That is a problem worldwide for anywhere where access to a good health system is limited or restricted.

There is more to this story yet to unfold...


Here's hoping we can move more of the world away from using 'bush meat'...


Stay safe!
Martin

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Will you two stop arguing and start discussing the subject and take a look at my post 2044839
Was it that Market?

Because if it was the Lab then does it matter whether the market is open or closed.

edit] Another bit of news. About Trumps favoured drug, Chloroquine .
Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

So... Where has the mass media picked up completely opposing stories for the same one story?!

As I have said: We are in a new era of Unprofessional Journalism. All must engage in Critical Thinking regarding all the news media.

The knee jerk belief in, or disbelief of CNN, FOX and others is not helpful in the pursuit of facts.

This one is interesting to chase up...

Hopefully we can get something more reliable come the morning... Such a conflict for the same story should cause a stir...

So what did the WHO say and how did that get misreported?...


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Martin

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"Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?..."

But, of course, two other sources, including ABC News, said the same as FOX.

... I do check the "other side's" news sources to confirm...

For this story, there really does look to be two conflicting news streams...


So... Where has the mass media picked up completely opposing stories for the same one story?!


Stay safe!
Martin

As I have said: We are in a new era of Unprofessional Journalism. All must engage in Critical Thinking regarding all the news media.

The knee jerk belief in, or disbelief of CNN, FOX and others is not helpful in the pursuit of facts.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

"Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?..."

But, of course, two other sources, including ABC News, said the same as FOX.

... I do check the "other side's" news sources to confirm...

For this story, there really does look to be two conflicting news streams...


So... Where has the mass media picked up completely opposing stories for the same one story?!


Stay safe!
Martin

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"Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?..."

But, of course, two other sources, including ABC News, said the same as FOX. Which I knew.

Another confirmation that many will not engage Critical Thinking regarding all news sources.

As with the similar anti FOX belief that many have about CNN. I do check the "other side's" news sources to confirm.

If one wishes to review my past posts using news sources. You will find I reference CNN, Bloomberg, the NY Times, FOX, the Wall Street Journal and others.

Edited to add: BTW, my first read of the day is the online New York Times.

I had the NY Times delivered every day for over 40 years. But now it's online.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Really!?

The American Fox news really is getting ever more discredited...

See this latest news from a more reliable source:

WHO urges China to close ‘dangerous’ wet market as stalls in Wuhan begin to reopen


Do we just label Fox News simply as Trump Fake News?


All in our only one world...

Stay safe!
Martin

Was it that market?
State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses

Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. The cables have fueled discussions inside the U.S. government about whether this or another Wuhan lab was the source of the virus — even though conclusive proof has yet to emerge.

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As my colleague David Ignatius noted, the Chinese government’s original story — that the virus emerged from a seafood market in Wuhan — is shaky. Research by Chinese experts published in the Lancet in January showed the first known patient, identified on Dec. 1, had no connection to the market, nor did more than one-third of the cases in the first large cluster. Also, the market didn’t sell bats.

Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world?

Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support...

Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?...


Stay safe!
Martin

Asia Today: China wet markets panned, India extends lockdown

Australia’s prime minister is criticizing the World Health Organization's support for the reopening of markets where live animals are butchered in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the center of the coronavirus pandemic
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/asia-today-china-wet-markets-panned-india-extends-70135427

Australia takes aim at the World Health Organisation after it supported the reopening of China's wet markets -despite them being the likely origin of coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214367/Australia-pressures-World-Health-Organisation-backed-reopening-Chinas-wet-markets.html

As you posted: "Please check reality before parroting."

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world?

Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support...

Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?...


Stay safe!
Martin

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Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
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Really!?

The American Fox news really is getting ever more discredited...

See this latest news from a more reliable source:

WHO urges China to close ‘dangerous’ wet market as stalls in Wuhan begin to reopen


Do we just label Fox News simply as Trump Fake News?


All in our only one world...

Stay safe!
Martin

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Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world?

Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support and not caring about the lives of the Chinese and other people's is disgusting.
Why would any moral and ethical person support them?

Wait a minute. Is it the WHO that doesn't care about the lives of the Chinese and other people, or is it the Chinese Government, factually CCP (Communist Chines Party)? Calling the the WHO Pro Chinese Government is ridiculous. But I can agree WHO are a bit naive.
Who are you, who, who
Who, who
I really wanna know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbBDrceCy8