Coronavirus, Ebola and Infectious diseases, Food & Drugs, Studies, Recalls #6

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Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2044844 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 1:26:11 UTC Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 1:30:01 UTC "Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?..." But, of course, two other sources, including ABC News, said the same as FOX. Which I knew. Another confirmation that many will not engage Critical Thinking regarding all news sources. As with the similar anti FOX belief that many have about CNN. I do check the "other side's" news sources to confirm. If one wishes to review my past posts using news sources. You will find I reference CNN, Bloomberg, the NY Times, FOX, the Wall Street Journal and others. Edited to add: BTW, my first read of the day is the online New York Times. I had the NY Times delivered every day for over 40 years. But now it's online. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2044844 · Reply Quote

W-K 666 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 13797 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 151	Message 2044839 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 1:07:02 UTC - in response to Message 2044834. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 1:09:35 UTC Really!? The American Fox news really is getting ever more discredited... See this latest news from a more reliable source: WHO urges China to close ‘dangerous’ wet market as stalls in Wuhan begin to reopen Do we just label Fox News simply as Trump Fake News? All in our only one world... Stay safe! Martin Was it that market? State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. The cables have fueled discussions inside the U.S. government about whether this or another Wuhan lab was the source of the virus — even though conclusive proof has yet to emerge. ... As my colleague David Ignatius noted, the Chinese government’s original story — that the virus emerged from a seafood market in Wuhan — is shaky. Research by Chinese experts published in the Lancet in January showed the first known patient, identified on Dec. 1, had no connection to the market, nor did more than one-third of the cases in the first large cluster. Also, the market didn’t sell bats. ID: 2044839 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2044837 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 1:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 2044836. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 1:07:09 UTC Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world? Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support... Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?... Stay safe! Martin Asia Today: China wet markets panned, India extends lockdown Australia’s prime minister is criticizing the World Health Organization's support for the reopening of markets where live animals are butchered in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the center of the coronavirus pandemic https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/asia-today-china-wet-markets-panned-india-extends-70135427 Australia takes aim at the World Health Organisation after it supported the reopening of China's wet markets -despite them being the likely origin of coronavirus https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214367/Australia-pressures-World-Health-Organisation-backed-reopening-Chinas-wet-markets.html As you posted: "Please check reality before parroting." Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2044837 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45	Message 2044836 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:58:10 UTC - in response to Message 2044827. Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world? Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support... Please check reality before parroting the 'Trumped Fox Fake News'?... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2044836 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45	Message 2044834 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:54:44 UTC - in response to Message 2044823. Really!? The American Fox news really is getting ever more discredited... See this latest news from a more reliable source: WHO urges China to close ‘dangerous’ wet market as stalls in Wuhan begin to reopen Do we just label Fox News simply as Trump Fake News? All in our only one world... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2044834 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6083 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2044831 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 2044827. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 0:48:05 UTC Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world? Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support and not caring about the lives of the Chinese and other people's is disgusting. Why would any moral and ethical person support them? Wait a minute. Is it the WHO that doesn't care about the lives of the Chinese and other people, or is it the Chinese Government, factually CCP (Communist Chines Party)? Calling the the WHO Pro Chinese Government is ridiculous. But I can agree WHO are a bit naive. Who are you, who, who Who, who I really wanna know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbBDrceCy8 ID: 2044831 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2044827 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 2044826. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 0:30:06 UTC Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world? Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support and not caring about the lives of the Chinese and other people's is disgusting. Why would any moral and ethical person support them? Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2044827 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6083 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2044826 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:22:55 UTC - in response to Message 2044823. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 0:25:51 UTC Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world? Or any food market for that matter that sell live animals. ID: 2044826 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2044823 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 0:11:21 UTC - in response to Message 2044810. Last modified: 15 Apr 2020, 0:23:41 UTC Trump stops payments to World Health Organization. That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale. https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/ Australia’s prime minister is blasting the World Health Organization Tuesday over its stance on wet markets, calling it “unfathomable” that the U.N. agency supports them reopening in China. Scott Morrison made the comment just days after a bipartisan group of congressional lawmakers urged WHO to shut down all wet markets globally. The markets recently began opening their doors again in Chinese cities like Wuhan, which have lifted their coronavirus lockdowns. “I think that’s unfathomable, frankly. We need to protect the world against potential sources of outbreaks of these types of viruses,” Morrison told the Nine Network television station. “It’s happened too many times. I’m totally puzzled by this decision.” https://www.foxnews.com/world/australias-pm-criticizes-who-over-wet-markets Yep, WHO really doesn't care to save people's lives in their support of the Chinese Government. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2044823 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6083 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2044819 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 23:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 2044818. Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"... Remember Trump campaigned on making America first. And he still does! ID: 2044819 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2044818 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 23:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 2044815. Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"... Remember Trump campaigned on making America first. ID: 2044818 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6083 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2044815 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 23:38:59 UTC - in response to Message 2044810. Last modified: 14 Apr 2020, 23:46:44 UTC Trump stops payments to World Health Organization. That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale. https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/ Well. What to suspect from the self appointed Surgeon General... Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"... ID: 2044815 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2044810 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 23:06:21 UTC Trump stops payments to World Health Organization. That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale. https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/ ID: 2044810 · Reply Quote

Wiggo "Democratic Socialist" Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 18403 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 1,109	Message 2044700 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 8:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 2044682. Where is Russia on that list, China is now saying its problem region is the Russian border. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave-idUSKCN21V06R?il=0 Russia is currently in 15th spot, but has been rising fast. ;-) ID: 2044700 · Reply Quote

W-K 666 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 13797 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 151	Message 2044682 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 6:08:59 UTC - in response to Message 2044634. Where is Russia on that list, China is now saying its problem region is the Russian border. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave-idUSKCN21V06R?il=0 ID: 2044682 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45	Message 2044661 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 23:01:43 UTC Here are some good positive suggestions: Coronavirus hacks: How to build better relationships remotely wrote: With ... so many people unable to meet family and friends, how can we make more meaningful connections when we're on phone calls or using video apps?... Stay closely remote-sociable! Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2044661 · Reply Quote

Alien Seeker Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 56 Credit: 511,652 RAC: 73	Message 2044645 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 22:14:44 UTC - in response to Message 2044642. At least their lockdown was strong enough to indeed stop the local spread. In France, the government has just reopened garden centres as "essential business". Even if it's limited to edible plants, this is ridiculous. Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn. My alternative profile ID: 2044645 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 10507 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 45	Message 2044643 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 22:05:08 UTC Last modified: 13 Apr 2020, 22:08:44 UTC Further early research that is underway: Sewage analysis suggests a New England metro area with fewer than 500 COVID-19 cases 'reported' may 'already have many more cases' wrote: ... Based on wastewater [samples], Biobot gave an estimate of anywhere from 2,300 to over 115,000 infected persons within the area sampled, though only 446 cases in the area had been reported. While the estimate had a very wide range, it was the discovery that there were likely many more infected people than revealed by numbers based on COVID-19 clinical testing alone that set off alarms... ... "We still have additional follow up experiments to perform before we can say exactly how many undiagnosed cases there might be, but we believe it could be significantly higher than the number of confirmed cases."... ... About 25% of [people] may be asymptomatic carriers, meaning they're infected but likely will never get tested because they don't have symptoms, according to Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention... ... although the technology requires further innovation to increase precision, currently it can paint a broad picture "qualitatively, on the presence or absence of a virus in a given community -- and that alone would be so much more than what we have in large stretches of the country, where the tests are not yet available."... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2044643 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2044642 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 21:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 2044640. Last modified: 13 Apr 2020, 21:58:01 UTC Macron wants to end confinement on May 11, send kids back to school and parents back to work. Perfect setting for covid wave 2: the kids will spread it among themselves without showing symptoms and bring it back home. And only symptomatic people will get tested, though at least they'll get tested even if they have only mild symptoms. Way to sacrifice the population on the altar of capitalism. As with what has been described as a “Market-Leninism" economy and government. China's similar decision: As China's Wuhan Ends Its Long Quarantine, Residents Feel A Mix Of Joy And Fear Tens of thousands of people streamed out of Wuhan by car, train and plane after a 76-day lockdown was lifted Wednesday from the Chinese city where the global coronavirus pandemic began. The end of the lockdown is a milestone in China's efforts to contain the outbreak of a new coronavirus that sickened more than 80,000 across the country and overwhelmed health systems. Yet another milestone came this week, as the country reported on Tuesday there were no new infection cases for the first time since the outbreak began in late December. The exodus is also prompting fears of a second wave of infections, amid rising suspicions of undercounting of coronavirus-related deaths and concerns over the prevalence of those carrying the virus but showing no symptoms. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/08/829574902/as-chinas-wuhan-ends-its-long-quarantine-residents-feel-a-mix-of-joy-and-fear Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2044642 · Reply Quote

Alien Seeker Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 56 Credit: 511,652 RAC: 73	Message 2044640 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 21:40:25 UTC Macron wants to end confinement on May 11, send kids back to school and parents back to work. Perfect setting for covid wave 2: the kids will spread it among themselves without showing symptoms and bring it back home. And only symptomatic people will get tested, though at least they'll get tested even if they have only mild symptoms. Way to sacrifice the population on the altar of capitalism. Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn. My alternative profile ID: 2044640 · Reply Quote

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