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Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world?

Their continuing Pro Chinese Government support and not caring about the lives of the Chinese and other people's is disgusting.

Why would any moral and ethical person support them?
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Does the WHO have the mandate to close down wet markets all over the world?
Or any food market for that matter that sell live animals.
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Trump stops payments to World Health Organization.
That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale.
https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/


Australia’s prime minister is blasting the World Health Organization Tuesday over its stance on wet markets, calling it “unfathomable” that the U.N. agency supports them reopening in China.

Scott Morrison made the comment just days after a bipartisan group of congressional lawmakers urged WHO to shut down all wet markets globally. The markets recently began opening their doors again in Chinese cities like Wuhan, which have lifted their coronavirus lockdowns.

“I think that’s unfathomable, frankly. We need to protect the world against potential sources of outbreaks of these types of viruses,” Morrison told the Nine Network television station. “It’s happened too many times. I’m totally puzzled by this decision.”

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australias-pm-criticizes-who-over-wet-markets

Yep, WHO really doesn't care to save people's lives in their support of the Chinese Government.
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Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"...
Remember Trump campaigned on making America first.
And he still does!
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Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"...

Remember Trump campaigned on making America first.
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Trump stops payments to World Health Organization.
That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale.
https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/
Well. What to suspect from the self appointed Surgeon General...
Meanwhile a whopping 2284 died today in the US that is now "leading the race"...
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Trump stops payments to World Health Organization.
That man's instincts are truly beyond the pale.
https://fox59.com/news/trump-stops-payments-to-world-health-organization/
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消息 2044700 - 发表于:14 Apr 2020, 8:12:04 UTC - 回复消息 2044682.  

Where is Russia on that list, China is now saying its problem region is the Russian border. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave-idUSKCN21V06R?il=0
Russia is currently in 15th spot, but has been rising fast. ;-)
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消息 2044661 - 发表于:13 Apr 2020, 23:01:43 UTC

Here are some good positive suggestions:


Coronavirus hacks: How to build better relationships remotely
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With ... so many people unable to meet family and friends, how can we make more meaningful connections when we're on phone calls or using video apps?...

Stay closely remote-sociable!



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At least their lockdown was strong enough to indeed stop the local spread. In France, the government has just reopened garden centres as "essential business". Even if it's limited to edible plants, this is ridiculous.
Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn.

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Further early research that is underway:


Sewage analysis suggests a New England metro area with fewer than 500 COVID-19 cases 'reported' may 'already have many more cases'
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... Based on wastewater [samples], Biobot gave an estimate of anywhere from 2,300 to over 115,000 infected persons within the area sampled, though only 446 cases in the area had been reported. While the estimate had a very wide range, it was the discovery that there were likely many more infected people than revealed by numbers based on COVID-19 clinical testing alone that set off alarms...

... "We still have additional follow up experiments to perform before we can say exactly how many undiagnosed cases there might be, but we believe it could be significantly higher than the number of confirmed cases."...

... About 25% of [people] may be asymptomatic carriers, meaning they're infected but likely will never get tested because they don't have symptoms, according to Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention...

... although the technology requires further innovation to increase precision, currently it can paint a broad picture "qualitatively, on the presence or absence of a virus in a given community -- and that alone would be so much more than what we have in large stretches of the country, where the tests are not yet available."...



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Macron wants to end confinement on May 11, send kids back to school and parents back to work. Perfect setting for covid wave 2: the kids will spread it among themselves without showing symptoms and bring it back home. And only symptomatic people will get tested, though at least they'll get tested even if they have only mild symptoms.

Way to sacrifice the population on the altar of capitalism.

As with what has been described as a “Market-Leninism" economy and government. China's similar decision:

As China's Wuhan Ends Its Long Quarantine, Residents Feel A Mix Of Joy And Fear

Tens of thousands of people streamed out of Wuhan by car, train and plane after a 76-day lockdown was lifted Wednesday from the Chinese city where the global coronavirus pandemic began.

The end of the lockdown is a milestone in China's efforts to contain the outbreak of a new coronavirus that sickened more than 80,000 across the country and overwhelmed health systems. Yet another milestone came this week, as the country reported on Tuesday there were no new infection cases for the first time since the outbreak began in late December.

The exodus is also prompting fears of a second wave of infections, amid rising suspicions of undercounting of coronavirus-related deaths and concerns over the prevalence of those carrying the virus but showing no symptoms.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/08/829574902/as-chinas-wuhan-ends-its-long-quarantine-residents-feel-a-mix-of-joy-and-fear

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Macron wants to end confinement on May 11, send kids back to school and parents back to work. Perfect setting for covid wave 2: the kids will spread it among themselves without showing symptoms and bring it back home. And only symptomatic people will get tested, though at least they'll get tested even if they have only mild symptoms.

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The U.K. has moved up to 6th place. :-O

         total   new    deaths   new
         cases   cases          deaths
World 1,912,438 +60,181 118,683 +4,489
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USA 	579,486 +19,186 23,252 	+1,147
Spain 	169,496 +2,665 	17,489 	+280
Italy 	159,516 +3,153 	20,465 	+566
France 	136,779 +4,188 	14,967 	+574
Germany 128,208 +354 	3,043 	+21
UK 	88,621 	+4,342 	11,329 	+717
China 	82,160  +108    3,341   +2 	
Iran 	73,303 	+1,617 	4,585 	+111
Turkey 	61,049 	+4,093 	1,296 	+98
Belgium 30,589 	+942 	3,903 	+303

Source, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

South Korea is now down to 21st spot while Australia has dropped down to 30th, both are still expected to keep sliding further down.
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... fake news & dangling on a string?


And that is part of the poison of Fake News:

Mix in a little truth and a little of what people expect to hear and then laugh at (or cry for) how far the fake and lies lead people astray...


We've just wasted a good few posts to debunk the 21 million and 55 million false claims...

Scarily, we've had to clearly debunk them because those lies are too plausible for some and might be falsely believed!



Dear All,

Please keep off the Fake News, even if used in jest.

Harm is done by Fake News... All the more so in the present atmosphere of poisoned politics.



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He did mention that he had good reason to believe that, based on his knowledge of the country and what he's been told by family and friends, that the figures coming out from China do not represent the true picture, and that a high degree of under statement has and is taking place.
Well, that could be understood & acceptable in some circumstances, i.e., to avoid a national panic. However, China being China...
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One of the people I worked with in China is currently "stuck" in mainland Europe. He flew into Europe in January for a three month job, carrying his four phones with him, and picking up another couple of "local" phones shortly after his arrival. About a month ago he ended up in hospital with an acute UTI, which has lead to one of his kidneys stopping and the other just about hanging in there, so he's now on dialysis thousands of miles from home, and unable to get home due to his current medical condition and the massive flight restrictions in place. Two of his phone contracts have been blocked as he was doing so many International calls, so he's turned one off and is relying on the other one until that gets blocked, whereupon he will use the other one until that too gets blocked. Having worked in China I can say that it is not uncommon for professional people to have half a dozen phones, some for work, some for family some for friends and some for, well who knows. I would assume that a fair number of folk have turned off a few of their phones - who needs a work phone when work is closed (or more likely work has suspended the contracts until it comes back to life).
He did mention that he had good reason to believe that, based on his knowledge of the country and what he's been told by family and friends, that the figures coming out from China do not represent the true picture, and that a high degree of under statement has and is taking place.
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So the fact that Trump & other officials have not only handled this crisis badly but also lied is fake news & dangling on a string?
With Trump's statements regarding the coronavirus, if one is aware of history, can only think of this:
The use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
Surely the leader of the free world would not stoop so low?
Is that statement to be taken as "fake news"
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Really? Where did I post fake news?

Follow the last few posts... You're dangling on the end of the fake piece of string...

String along-a Max...

(Such are the poisonous false ways of Fake News...)


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