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Message 2044570 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 15:45:11 UTC - in response to Message 2044540.  

Until it is known, it can be safely assumed that Capt Crozier e-mailed those of equal and/or higher rank regarding the situation on his ship.

Kinda like Hil-Liar-y's email account..................could be intercepted by a marginally intelligent 12yr old with a 5 year old laptop...........
There is Quantum Encrypted communication equipment aboard every US Naval vessel, so unless his letter was intended to be read by other than his superiors, HOW did it get into the newspaper?
So you're saying that "radio silence" MUST be maintained even after the enemy has located your position. :-)
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Message 2044575 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 15:53:48 UTC - in response to Message 2044528.  
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....apparently the Captain didn't send a letter through open channels..............
Aside from the Pentagon, what open channels are they?
2: What is "classified" about the coronavirus that the US doesn't want the world to know?

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/pentagon-orders-installations-to-stop-reporting-coronavirus-cases-as-military-linked-infections-eclipse-1-000-1.624244
"Unit level readiness data for key military forces is information that is classified as a risk to operational security and could jeopardize operations and/or deterrence,” Hoffman said in the statement. “If a commander believes that [the coronavirus] could affect the readiness of our strategic deterrent or strategic response forces, we understandably protect that information from public release and falling into the hands of our adversaries — as we expect they would do the same.”

As it had already been reported that there were coronavirus cases aboard the ship, and as can be seen from the cruise ship cases, you shouldn't go to sea when you haven't eradicated the risk of further infections. Therefore the TR was already unoperational.

Breaking news, Sailor from USS Theodore Roosevelt dies of coronavirus complications
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Message 2044594 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 16:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 2044540.  

Until it is known, it can be safely assumed that Capt Crozier e-mailed those of equal and/or higher rank regarding the situation on his ship.


Kinda like Hil-Liar-y's email account..................could be intercepted by a marginally intelligent 12yr old with a 5 year old laptop...........

There is Quantum Encrypted communication equipment aboard every US Naval vessel, so unless his letter was intended to be read by other than his superiors, HOW did it get into the newspaper?

Someone likely very high ranking inside the Pentagon didn't like the ex secretary of the navy's first answer to the e-mail. His 1/4 million dollar temper tantrum unclassified talk to the sailors shows the real guilty party.
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Message 2044609 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 18:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 2044592.  

21 million Chinese died of coronavirus US intelligence officials intercept data


And I've heard through the grapevine, that 55 million U.S citizens suddenly disappeared, and are presumed dead from the Coronavirus.


My thoughts exactly. :-D US propaganda is becoming more and more hysterical, they must be pretty desperate to turn eyes away from their terrible handling of the epidemic.
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Message 2044620 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 19:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 2044592.  
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21 million Chinese died of coronavirus – US intelligence officials intercept data

And I've heard through the grapevine, that 55 million U.S citizens suddenly disappeared, and are presumed dead from the Coronavirus.

Just to be clear, I'm guessing that '55 million' is some silly half-bit silly fake news attempted joke...

The real news headline is:

School is closed for 55 million American children


Let's keep off the joke of Fake News please. There is enough silliness without adding yet more!

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Message 2044621 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 19:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 2044609.  

My thoughts exactly. :-D US propaganda is becoming more and more hysterical, they must be pretty desperate to turn eyes away from their terrible handling of the epidemic.
As the US likes being bigger & doing things better, they just want to outdo Joseph Goebbels. :-)
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Message 2044623 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 19:58:30 UTC - in response to Message 2044621.  

My thoughts exactly. :-D US propaganda is becoming more and more hysterical, they must be pretty desperate to turn eyes away from their terrible handling of the epidemic.
As the US likes being bigger & doing things better, they just want to outdo Joseph Goebbels. :-)

Such is the way of viral Fake News...

All no joke.


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Message 2044624 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 2044623.  

Really? Where did I post fake news?
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Message 2044625 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:03:15 UTC - in response to Message 2044624.  
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Really? Where did I post fake news?

Follow the last few posts... You're dangling on the end of the fake piece of string...

String along-a Max...

(Such are the poisonous false ways of Fake News...)


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Message 2044627 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:15:15 UTC - in response to Message 2044625.  

So the fact that Trump & other officials have not only handled this crisis badly but also lied is fake news & dangling on a string?
With Trump's statements regarding the coronavirus, if one is aware of history, can only think of this:
The use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
Surely the leader of the free world would not stoop so low?
Is that statement to be taken as "fake news"
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Message 2044628 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:15:32 UTC

One of the people I worked with in China is currently "stuck" in mainland Europe. He flew into Europe in January for a three month job, carrying his four phones with him, and picking up another couple of "local" phones shortly after his arrival. About a month ago he ended up in hospital with an acute UTI, which has lead to one of his kidneys stopping and the other just about hanging in there, so he's now on dialysis thousands of miles from home, and unable to get home due to his current medical condition and the massive flight restrictions in place. Two of his phone contracts have been blocked as he was doing so many International calls, so he's turned one off and is relying on the other one until that gets blocked, whereupon he will use the other one until that too gets blocked. Having worked in China I can say that it is not uncommon for professional people to have half a dozen phones, some for work, some for family some for friends and some for, well who knows. I would assume that a fair number of folk have turned off a few of their phones - who needs a work phone when work is closed (or more likely work has suspended the contracts until it comes back to life).
He did mention that he had good reason to believe that, based on his knowledge of the country and what he's been told by family and friends, that the figures coming out from China do not represent the true picture, and that a high degree of under statement has and is taking place.
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Message 2044630 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:19:45 UTC - in response to Message 2044628.  

He did mention that he had good reason to believe that, based on his knowledge of the country and what he's been told by family and friends, that the figures coming out from China do not represent the true picture, and that a high degree of under statement has and is taking place.
Well, that could be understood & acceptable in some circumstances, i.e., to avoid a national panic. However, China being China...
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Message 2044632 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 2044627.  
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... fake news & dangling on a string?


And that is part of the poison of Fake News:

Mix in a little truth and a little of what people expect to hear and then laugh at (or cry for) how far the fake and lies lead people astray...


We've just wasted a good few posts to debunk the 21 million and 55 million false claims...

Scarily, we've had to clearly debunk them because those lies are too plausible for some and might be falsely believed!



Dear All,

Please keep off the Fake News, even if used in jest.

Harm is done by Fake News... All the more so in the present atmosphere of poisoned politics.



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Message 2044634 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 20:43:13 UTC - in response to Message 2044151.  

The U.K. has moved up to 6th place. :-O

         total   new    deaths   new
         cases   cases          deaths
World 1,912,438 +60,181 118,683 +4,489
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USA 	579,486 +19,186 23,252 	+1,147
Spain 	169,496 +2,665 	17,489 	+280
Italy 	159,516 +3,153 	20,465 	+566
France 	136,779 +4,188 	14,967 	+574
Germany 128,208 +354 	3,043 	+21
UK 	88,621 	+4,342 	11,329 	+717
China 	82,160  +108    3,341   +2 	
Iran 	73,303 	+1,617 	4,585 	+111
Turkey 	61,049 	+4,093 	1,296 	+98
Belgium 30,589 	+942 	3,903 	+303

Source, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

South Korea is now down to 21st spot while Australia has dropped down to 30th, both are still expected to keep sliding further down.
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Message 2044640 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 21:40:25 UTC

Macron wants to end confinement on May 11, send kids back to school and parents back to work. Perfect setting for covid wave 2: the kids will spread it among themselves without showing symptoms and bring it back home. And only symptomatic people will get tested, though at least they'll get tested even if they have only mild symptoms.

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Message 2044643 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 22:05:08 UTC
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Further early research that is underway:


Sewage analysis suggests a New England metro area with fewer than 500 COVID-19 cases 'reported' may 'already have many more cases'
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... Based on wastewater [samples], Biobot gave an estimate of anywhere from 2,300 to over 115,000 infected persons within the area sampled, though only 446 cases in the area had been reported. While the estimate had a very wide range, it was the discovery that there were likely many more infected people than revealed by numbers based on COVID-19 clinical testing alone that set off alarms...

... "We still have additional follow up experiments to perform before we can say exactly how many undiagnosed cases there might be, but we believe it could be significantly higher than the number of confirmed cases."...

... About 25% of [people] may be asymptomatic carriers, meaning they're infected but likely will never get tested because they don't have symptoms, according to Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention...

... although the technology requires further innovation to increase precision, currently it can paint a broad picture "qualitatively, on the presence or absence of a virus in a given community -- and that alone would be so much more than what we have in large stretches of the country, where the tests are not yet available."...



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Message 2044645 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 22:14:44 UTC - in response to Message 2044642.  

At least their lockdown was strong enough to indeed stop the local spread. In France, the government has just reopened garden centres as "essential business". Even if it's limited to edible plants, this is ridiculous.
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Message 2044661 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 23:01:43 UTC

Here are some good positive suggestions:


Coronavirus hacks: How to build better relationships remotely
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With ... so many people unable to meet family and friends, how can we make more meaningful connections when we're on phone calls or using video apps?...

Stay closely remote-sociable!



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Message 2044682 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 6:08:59 UTC - in response to Message 2044634.  

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Message 2044700 - Posted: 14 Apr 2020, 8:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 2044682.  

Where is Russia on that list, China is now saying its problem region is the Russian border. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave-idUSKCN21V06R?il=0
Russia is currently in 15th spot, but has been rising fast. ;-)
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