Crap , the news is saying the Ruby Princess , death ship is docking right now at Port Kembla . MY FREAKING HOME TOWN.

The Ruby Princess has had 11 ppl die from covid 19 . It's also at the heart of a police inquiry for breaching Quaranteen

Approx 7 days ago it docked in Sydney and 2700 people disembarked without being put in Quaranteen

There are now 700 people infected from this ship

And there letting it dock in my home town port . Crap , Crap , Crap

That's it i am not leaving my home even to go to the shop . Poor old Wollongong only has 2 main hospitals as there's only 280,000 people in the Illawarra

Crap Crap Crap

Hopefully this is in the right thread and not in the ...'Don't know where it should go? Stick it here 2

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Cats can get tested, but not humans.



Is puddy going to screw up social distancing?

Milk, you can't find it because, Milk price support system.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight/u-s-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-as-pandemic-upends-food-markets-idUSKBN21L1DW

From the article:

Mass closures of restaurants and schools have forced a sudden shift from those wholesale food-service markets to retail grocery stores, creating logistical and packaging nightmares for plants processing milk, butter and cheese. Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working. And sales to major dairy export markets have dried up as the food-service sector largely shuts down globally.

The dairy industry’s woes signal broader problems in the global food supply chain, according to farmers, agricultural economists and food distributors. The dairy business got hit harder and earlier than other agricultural commodities because the products are highly perishable - milk can’t be frozen, like meat, or stuck in a silo, like grain.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Acting Navy secretary Thomas Modly has since walked back the claim that Captain Crozier "leaked" the letter to the San Francisco Chronicle, How it got there no one is saying at the moment.

And what do you do when over 100 men have tested positive but those in higher positions say it is only a few dozen. His men seem to think he is the best Captain they've ever had.

And apparently the navy is now scrambling to remove 2,700 personnel from the ship, an act that should have started over a week ago.

2 points, no good deed will go unpunished and only a couple of dozen cases on a fully crewed aircraft carrier is a fully loaded petri dish ready to explode.

The Rest of the Story
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-navy/u-s-defense-chief-backs-navy-ouster-amid-report-captain-has-coronavirus-idUSKBN21N0LY

Captain Brett Crozier started showing symptoms of the virus before he was relieved of his command of the Theodore Roosevelt on Thursday and has tested positive, the New York Times said, citing two Naval Academy classmates who are close to Crozier.

Milk, you can't find it because, Milk price support system.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight/u-s-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-as-pandemic-upends-food-markets-idUSKBN21L1DW

As with all those infected, I hope for a full recovery.

BTW: My wife and I watched Queen Elizabeth II Address to her Nation. Even though we are not Her "Subjects" and we don't care one iota about the Royal Family.

Speaking about the USA. If our politician's, on both sides, would emulate Her mature, non-accusatory, we are all in this together Address. We would all be better off.

In true British style:

Hear! Hear!!

(That's a congratulatory agreement for those not familiar with the British ways ;-) )


Regardless of whatever silly politics:

Stay safe!
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was admitted to a hospital after suffering from coronavirus symptoms 10 days after testing positive, his office announced Sunday.

Downing Street officials said the hospitalization was a “precautionary step” and he remained in charge of the government.

As with all those infected, I hope for a full recovery.

BTW: My wife and I watched Queen Elizabeth II Address to her Nation. Even though we are not Her "Subjects" and we don't care one iota about the Royal Family.

Speaking about the USA. If our politician's, on both sides, would emulate Her mature, non-accusatory, we are all in this together Address. We would all be better off.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Coronavirus: Why death and mortality rates differ
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ

From the article:

In Italy, an epicentre of the new coronavirus outbreak, the death rate at the end of March stood at a sobering 11%. Meanwhile in neighbouring Germany, the same virus led to fatality rates of just 1%. In China, it was 4%, while Israel had the lowest rate worldwide, at 0.35%.

First, there is confusion about what people mean by “death rate”. This confusion can make countries’ numbers look vastly different, even if their populations are dying at the same rate.

There are, in fact, two kinds of fatality rate. The first is the proportion of people who die who have tested positive for the disease. This is called the “case fatality rate”. The second kind is the proportion of people who die after having the infection overall; as many of these will never be picked up, this figure has to be an estimate. This is the “infection fatality rate”.

In other words, the case fatality rate describes how many people doctors can be sure are killed by the infection, versus how many people the virus kills overall, says Carl Heneghan, an epidemiologist and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford; he is also a GP in recovery from a suspected Covid-19 infection.

Yes, until we have a good estimate of how many were really infected. As I said...

Then we will know which Country's were infected worse than others. What their true death rate was and which responses were correct or incorrect.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Coronavirus: Why death and mortality rates differ
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ

Trying to get a handle on exactly how lethal Covid-19 is will prove a knotty problem for some time yet. It may never be possible to get a true, reliable count of the deaths due to Covid-19, as testing in many parts of the world has been too slow to roll out.
As time goes on, the estimate of the Covid-19 death rate is likely to improve, as clinicians are eventually able to go through case notes and tease out the tangle of factors that contributed to each Covid-19 patient’s death.
For now, while hospitals are filled with acutely ill patients and doctors and nurses are working overtime to care for them, that careful analysis is going to have to wait.

and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most Country's.

And on cue this turns up, WaPo - Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count

At this time, since the total number of people infected is really unknown and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most countries.

Actually even the number of deaths due to Covid-19 is hard to compare between countries :-(
This is because not all countries use the same basis for generating their figures.
For example:
When quoting their figures Italy uses the number of people who have died, and, post mortem have the Covid-19 virus or antibody present in their body, they "ignore" any underlying medical condition, so (in extremis) they might have someone who was in the last few hours of dying from lung cancer when they came into contact with someone carrying Covid-19, and had so had the virus in their system. They would be recorded as having Covid-19.
Other countries (USA & UK) take a view that if the person was presenting with the symptoms of being infected with Covid-19 then their death is recorded as being due to Covid-19, unless there is a known underlying cause. Thus the patient described for Italy would be discounted from the Covid-19 figures because lung cancer got there first.

It is going to be some time before all the counties actually agree on a consistent basis for collecting these metrics, and we should be aware of these differences when trying to compare them. That said, what is very clear is that both the USA and Italy have a very high infection rate, and so, probably, a very high body count. We have to assume that for both countries the actual number of deaths per infected person is similar. (Not "the same", but similar.)

An example of very different death rates for three Country's:

Coronavirus (COVID-19) death rate in countries with confirmed deaths and over 1,000 reported cases as of April 5, 2020, by country

Italy: 12.33%
United Kingdom: 10.29%
United States: 2.72%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

Go to the above web site to see many other Country's.

Also Coronavirus Tracker. Which uses the following Data Sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, JHU, RCP

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

At this time, since the total number of people infected is really unknown and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most countries.

Actually even the number of deaths due to Covid-19 is hard to compare between countries :-(
This is because not all countries use the same basis for generating their figures.
For example:
When quoting their figures Italy uses the number of people who have died, and, post mortem have the Covid-19 virus or antibody present in their body, they "ignore" any underlying medical condition, so (in extremis) they might have someone who was in the last few hours of dying from lung cancer when they came into contact with someone carrying Covid-19, and had so had the virus in their system. They would be recorded as having Covid-19.
Other countries (USA & UK) take a view that if the person was presenting with the symptoms of being infected with Covid-19 then their death is recorded as being due to Covid-19, unless there is a known underlying cause. Thus the patient described for Italy would be discounted from the Covid-19 figures because lung cancer got there first.

It is going to be some time before all the counties actually agree on a consistent basis for collecting these metrics, and we should be aware of these differences when trying to compare them. That said, what is very clear is that both the USA and Italy have a very high infection rate, and so, probably, a very high body count. We have to assume that for both countries the actual number of deaths per infected person is similar. (Not "the same", but similar.)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

The U.S. is still going ballistic passing 310,000 out of 1,200,400 cases world wide while it looks like Spain has the upper hand on 2nd spot over Italy now.

But that's because the US are testing so many now. And the US is some weeks behind Europe.
Yesterday the deaths rate was 22/1M pop, today its 26/1M pop...

Yes, I'm wondering what the number will be by the time that their testing gets up to speed, there's a lot of catch up still to be played out over there as yet.

Yes, It the the mortality percentage rates per population that have any real meaning.

At this time, since the total number of people infected is really unknown and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most Country's.

And taking into account when Country's took this infection seriously and what measures they finally took.

We will probably have to wait for a very long time to understand what the true Infection vs. Death ratio is.

Including what responses were effective or not effective.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Interesting that it takes an Australian newspaper to describe an organisation I'd never heard of as a "top UK think tank" - although it's possible that UK papers are still under an embargo before "publication tomorrow".

Read the Wikipedia entry for the Henry Jackson Society before making your mind up. My eye was caught by

In 2017, the Henry Jackson Society was accused of running an anti-China propaganda campaign after the Japanese embassy gave them a monthly fee of 10,000 pounds. The campaign was said to be aimed at planting Japan's concerns about China in British newspapers.

The last thing we need is a proxy war between China and Japan, fought in the courts and newspapers of the rest of the world.

China should be sued $6.5 trillion for damages

London: China should be sued under international law for trillions of dollars for its initial cover-up of the coronavirus pandemic which has caused more than 60,000 deaths and trillions of dollars in economic damage, a new report says.

The report said damages should be for at least the £3.2 ($6.5 trillion) being spent by G7 nations propping up their domestic economies as governments forced their citizens to stay at home so they could try and contain the disease's spread.
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According to the report, Coronavirus Compensation? by conservative London think tank The Henry Jackson Society, China could be sued under 10 possible legal avenues, including the International Health Regulations, which were beefed up after the SARS outbreak, which China also tried to cover up.

The report said had China provided accurate information at an early juncture, "the infection would not have left China."

China only reported the disease to the WHO on December 31 and said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

"Get in early and book your ventilator now for an amazing price. And if you're 1 of the 1st 15 callers we've double the offer."

The U.S. is still going ballistic passing 310,000 out of 1,200,400 cases world wide while it looks like Spain has the upper hand on 2nd spot over Italy now.

But that's because the US are testing so many now. And the US is some weeks behind Europe.
Yesterday the deaths rate was 22/1M pop, today its 26/1M pop...

Yes, I'm wondering what the number will be by the time that their testing gets up to speed, there's a lot of catch up still to be played out over there as yet.

Wow, as I've said, who needs nukes.
16/8/60-20/7/85 residing there.
24/2/86-26/9/15 working there.
Not once did I ever see it like this.
I bet the air is clean & fresh.