Coronavirus, Ebola and Infectious diseases, Food & Drugs, Studies, Recalls #6

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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15	Message 2042679 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:27:04 UTC - in response to Message 2042674. An effective civil defence structure as in the past or the current structure? Civil defense structure? What? War and pandemics and other crises never happen. It will never happen in our modern world. "Not on my watch" as many politicians says. Doing like this is ridiculous. https://www.msb.se/en/prevention/ Shades of Dr Li Wenliang Did the Captain leak it, or someone at the Pentagon? ID: 2042679 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042678 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:21:34 UTC - in response to Message 2042675. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 1:30:21 UTC Yes, an example of my prevaricator news source is better than your prevaricator news source :-D That is why I use many sources, but not The National Enquirer or The Washington Examiner among many others. OBTW I also use the Daily Kos but I carefully vet anything from them. You slammed the following Washington Examiner report in your post: I always consider the source, the Washington Examiner as a source is not even debatable https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84230&postid=2042652#2042652 As The Washington Examiner reported: The deputy prime minister of Japan slammed the World Health Organization, saying it should be called the China Health Organization amid speculation the communist government played down the number of people infected by the coronavirus. “People think the World Health Organization should change its name,” Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso said while speaking in the Japanese parliament on Wednesday, according to translators. “It shouldn’t be called the WHO. It should be renamed the CHO." “Early on, if the WHO had not insisted to the world that China had no pneumonia epidemic, then everybody would have taken precautions,” he continued. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/japanese-deputy-prime-minister-says-who-should-be-renamed-china-health-organization Please explain why quoting the Deputy Prime Minister of Japan is wrong and an example of a "prevaricator news source". Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042678 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2042675 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:07:19 UTC - in response to Message 2042666. Yes, an example of my prevaricator news source is better than your prevaricator news source :-D That is why I use many sources, but not The National Enquirer or The Washington Examiner among many others. OBTW I also use the Daily Kos but I carefully vet anything from them. ID: 2042675 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6084 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2042674 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 2042661. An effective civil defence structure as in the past or the current structure? Civil defense structure? What? War and pandemics and other crises never happen. It will never happen in our modern world. "Not on my watch" as many politicians says. Doing like this is ridiculous. https://www.msb.se/en/prevention/ ID: 2042674 · Reply Quote

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15	Message 2042673 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:04:57 UTC - in response to Message 2042671. Just one question, WHO actually started globalisation & WHY are you moaning about China successfully joining in? How about answering the question on why America & most of the Western World stopped stockpiling for their civil defence? Another question. If still in place today, do you think the coronavirus would be that global or would it have been better contained? ID: 2042673 · Reply Quote

Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 7	Message 2042672 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 1:03:27 UTC - in response to Message 2042586. Is that not the same organization that the government drastically 'de-funded' into near oblivion to stop all research on Global Warming and Climate Change?... Allass yes that is correct . Now the Liberal party (AKA: Republican Party )has Big time Egg on it's Face over cuts to the C.S.I.R.O's Climate change , The Bush Fires of late You can add to that the N.B.N , Banks , trying to Privatize Medicare , Privatizing the electricity grid and on and on it goes This crisis is showing how deficent there policy's are Hope ppl learn at the next election and we can kick them out ID: 2042672 · Reply Quote

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15	Message 2042670 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:54:01 UTC - in response to Message 2042669. They just very successfully jumped into the globalization of the world. Perhaps we must rethink both globalization and ~~China~~ America. ID: 2042670 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042669 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:48:36 UTC - in response to Message 2042667. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 0:50:21 UTC So China started the globalisation trend? China "forced" the world to dismantle every nations civil defence in the past? A fixation on China & Europe will not "magically" vaccinate the world from the coronavirus. Edited for spelling error. Who said China started globalization? No one. They just very successfully jumped into the globalization of the world. Perhaps we must rethink both globalization and China. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042669 · Reply Quote

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15	Message 2042667 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 2042662. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 0:45:39 UTC So China started the globalisation trend? China "forced" the world to dismantle every nations civil defence in the past? A fixation on China & Europe will not "magically" vaccinate the world from the coronavirus. Edited for spelling error. ID: 2042667 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042666 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:43:19 UTC - in response to Message 2042665. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 0:43:52 UTC Automatically dismissing any NewsSource means existing in a shallow box of preexisting beliefs. My life is too short to consider the National Enquirer as a news source. And the Washington Examiner you referenced as "a well documented prevaricator". But not MSNBC and CNN? Yes, an example of my prevaricator news source is better than your prevaricator news source :-D Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042666 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2042665 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 2042659. Automatically dismissing any NewsSource means existing in a shallow box of preexisting beliefs. My life is too short to consider the National Enquirer as a news source. ID: 2042665 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042664 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:34:09 UTC - in response to Message 2042663. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 0:37:16 UTC Yes, COVID-19 is just another very serious and deadly new flu (influenza) virus the human race has been subjected to over its history. Like when Columbus came to America and later the conquistadors spread diseases of all kind, most of all to South America, but yes even deadly corona virus. That virus killed a lot of the people living there not having the immunity... Yep, many European Country's did invade, occupy, murder and inflict terrible disease upon the indigenous people of the America's. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042664 · Reply Quote

moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6084 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0	Message 2042663 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 2042650. Yes, COVID-19 is just another very serious and deadly new flu (influenza) virus the human race has been subjected to over its history. Like when Columbus came to America and later the conquistadors spread diseases of all kind, most of all to South America, but yes even deadly corona virus. That virus killed a lot of the people living there not having the immunity... ID: 2042663 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042662 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 2042661. Anyhow, the world's total of cases has now passed the 1 million mark. Yep, with a 5+% mortality rate. All I have seen over the past several months is "reaction" & "blame game" in motion. The use of nuclear weapons at the end of WWII taught the world a harsh lesson, which many at the time took note of. They created a civil defence structure which was supposed to be able to deal with many serious crisis's. What happened? Easy answer - the world became too profit centric. Much too expensive to maintain that. Looking back now, hindsight maybe, but.... The US on Thursday said it saw a record 6.6 million new unemployment benefit claims. ...the global economy won't just suddenly return to normal as if nothing happened. So it begs a question? Which will prove to be more expensive? An effective civil defence structure as in the past or the current structure? Or Globalization, with an ascending China, was the wrong direction to go. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042662 · Reply Quote

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 21809 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 15	Message 2042661 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:27:16 UTC - in response to Message 2042642. Anyhow, the world's total of cases has now passed the 1 million mark. Yep, with a 5+% mortality rate. All I have seen over the past several months is "reaction" & "blame game" in motion. The use of nuclear weapons at the end of WWII taught the world a harsh lesson, which many at the time took note of. They created a civil defence structure which was supposed to be able to deal with many serious crisis's. What happened? Easy answer - the world became too profit centric. Much too expensive to maintain that. Looking back now, hindsight maybe, but.... The US on Thursday said it saw a record 6.6 million new unemployment benefit claims. ...the global economy won't just suddenly return to normal as if nothing happened. So it begs a question? Which will prove to be more expensive? An effective civil defence structure as in the past or the current structure? ID: 2042661 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042659 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:17:49 UTC - in response to Message 2042657. Last modified: 3 Apr 2020, 0:28:24 UTC The Washington Examiner is a well documented prevaricator. I follow NPR, the BBC, NBC, ABC. and even Faux among others. Much of what that rag reports is not noted there. I follow CNN, BBC, FOX, the NY Times (usually the first read) and other's. Who have all degenerated into infecting their opinions and political (Anti/Pro Trump) into their News Sections. In the past. The once respected New Organizations usually, but not always, separated their political, social and ideological views from their News. Back then, the Opinion Section, was the Opinion Section. Not the News Section. Therefore, as I have posted. Referencing Modern Day opinion pieces parading as Professional Journalism, means: My possible BS News Sources are better than your possible BS News Sources. BTW: When someone references a News Source. I Google the information to see if has been reported, but perhaps not "Headlined" by other sources not of their political persuasion. Automatically dismissing any NewsSource means existing in a shallow box of preexisting beliefs. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042659 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2042657 - Posted: 3 Apr 2020, 0:01:54 UTC - in response to Message 2042654. The Washington Examiner is a well documented prevaricator. I follow NPR, the BBC, NBC, ABC. and even Faux among others. Much of what that rag reports is not noted there. ID: 2042657 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042654 - Posted: 2 Apr 2020, 23:38:14 UTC - in response to Message 2042652. I always consider the source, the Washington Examiner as a source is not even debatable. Depending upon one's political, social, religious and ideological beliefs. Add CNN, MSNBC, FOX, the NY Times and the other's. Just another example that my BS Source's are better then your BS Source's :-D :-D :-D Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042654 · Reply Quote

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 10274 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 149	Message 2042652 - Posted: 2 Apr 2020, 23:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 2042648. I always consider the source, the Washington Examiner as a source is not even debatable. ID: 2042652 · Reply Quote

Clyde "Liberal" Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 16387 Credit: 45,556,044 RAC: 62	Message 2042650 - Posted: 2 Apr 2020, 23:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 2042644. Ah, now I get it. You're coming from a parallel universe where there's an influenza outbreak. See, in this universe, the outbreak isn't due to an influenza virus but a coronavirus. Therefore, anything you say about the corona virus outbreak is irrelevant. Hang on. The corona virus IS an influenza virus and as old as we human beings. Most corona viruses are not so bad as this one. But SARS-CoV-2 is a new strain of corona virus that has not been previously identified in humans. So far it it's not seasonal and that's the only difference to an influenza. But many fear it will be seasonal. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Yes, COVID-19 is just another very serious and deadly new flu (influenza) virus the human race has been subjected to over its history. To those accusing other's of living in a "parallel universe". It's important to note that seasonal flu, which causes outbreaks every year, should not be confused with pandemic flu, or a global outbreak of a new flu virus that is very different from the strains that typically circulate.' https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --- George Santayana Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --- Lord Acton ID: 2042650 · Reply Quote

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