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JaundicedEye

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Japanese deputy prime minister says WHO should be renamed China Health Organization
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/japanese-deputy-prime-minister-says-who-should-be-renamed-china-health-organization
.....seems at least one other leader has 'woke'.
Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S.
Those travelers from China included more than 228,000 Americans returning home and hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals arriving for business, academics, tourism or to visit family.
....343,402 arrived from Italy, 418,848 from Spain and about 1.9 million more came from Britain.
Combined with those from China, that's more than 3.4 million people from just four countries -- nearly half, about 1.5 million, Americans returning home. Travel from Italy and Spain wasn't shut down until March 13, with U.K. arrivals restricted a few days later.
Bottom line, had China AND it's wholly owned subsidiary WHO been truthful about the level of contagion and ease of spread, travel could have been shut down on January 14th when the WHO made is twitter pronouncement of 'no evidence of human to human infection'....
....China owns it and WHO is their willing accomplice.
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moomin

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<Trump ON>It will be fine. Today it's over a million tasks, tomorrow it will begin to disappear, and within a week, just like magic, the Chinese virus will be gone. Trust me, I know these things, my uncle was at MIT</Trump OFF> But the Genius just said that to bring hope to the people (the American people) trying thinking positive...
That's his own word...
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<Trump ON>It will be fine. Today it's over a million tasks, tomorrow it will begin to disappear, and within a week, just like magic, the Chinese virus will be gone. Trust me, I know these things, my uncle was at MIT</Trump OFF>
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moomin

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Ah, now I get it. You're coming from a parallel universe where there's an influenza outbreak. See, in this universe, the outbreak isn't due to an influenza virus but a coronavirus. Therefore, anything you say about the corona virus outbreak is irrelevant. Hang on. The corona virus IS an influenza virus and as old as we human beings. Most corona viruses are not so bad as this one. But SARS-CoV-2 is a new strain of corona virus that has not been previously identified in humans. So far it it's not seasonal and that's the only difference to an influenza. But many fear it will be seasonal.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
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Wiggo "Democratic Socialist"

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Sadly there are those who do live in some weird alternative universes.
Anyhow, the world's total of cases has now passed the 1 million mark. :-O
Over 240,000 of those in the U.S., while Italy and Spain duke it out 2nd and 3rd places (115K vs 113K ATM), and Turkey is still breaking records as they rocket into the "Top 10".
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Alien Seeker

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Also, the strains in China and Iran are different.
I assume you have PROOF of this statement with sources cited??????
I don't see any.
The best I could find without wasting my time for you is an Icelandic study identifying 40 different mutations of the virus. (Because yes, a random mutation is obviously the most likely explanation for the difference in main strains between China and Iran.)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but 'Made In China' is engraved on every case of the WuHu Flu, whether made in a lab or a natural occurrence because some local Ozzie Osborn ate a bat.
Ah, now I get it. You're coming from a parallel universe where there's an influenza outbreak. See, in this universe, the outbreak isn't due to an influenza virus but a coronavirus. Therefore, anything you say about the coronavirus outbreak is irrelevant.
Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn.
My alternative profile
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Clyde "Liberal"    Volunteer tester
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Disaster in motion: 3.4 million travelers poured into US as coronavirus pandemic erupted
An ABC News investigation offers sobering insight into how COVID-19 has spread and penetrated so broadly, so deeply and so quickly in the United States. It also helps explain why Americans, no matter where they live, must continue to heed the warnings of health officials to self distance and why the virus likely was here far earlier than first realized.
With the advent of COVID-19, the world has officially entered a dangerous new phase where a surge in international travel in recent decades served as the springboard -- jet fuel, really -- for an infectious disease potentially to kill hundreds of thousands in the U.S. and infect the global economy at breathtaking speed.
Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S.
"This is an astonishing number in a short period of time, illustrating how globalized our world has become. Just as people can hop continents with amazing ease, the infections they carry can too," said Dr. Vinayak Kumar, an internal medicine resident at the Mayo Clinic and a contributor to the ABC News Medical Unit.
Those travelers from China included more than 228,000 Americans returning home and hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals arriving for business, academics, tourism or to visit family.
"The numbers are clearly alarming," Dr. Simone Wildes, an infectious disease specialist at South Shore Health, told ABC News. "It shows that globalization is here, and we have to be better prepared to deal with the impact this will have on all our lives in so many ways."
Added Wildes: "It is difficult to estimate the portion of travelers coming from China to the U.S. with COVID-19, but fair to speculate that a large number might have been infected at the time of travel."
Researchers from Johns Hopkins University said the outbreak could have started as far back as November, and that there may have been hundreds of cases in Wuhan by early December. On Jan. 14, a different team of researchers from the University of Toronto warned that the outbreak could quickly jump from Wuhan to other major cities because of international travel.
ABC News examined data from December, January and February on travelers entering the U.S. from eight of the hardest-hit countries: 343,402 arrived from Italy, 418,848 from Spain and about 1.9 million more came from Britain.
Combined with those from China, that's more than 3.4 million people from just four countries -- nearly half, about 1.5 million, Americans returning home. Travel from Italy and Spain wasn't shut down until March 13, with U.K. arrivals restricted a few days later.
"We should recognize that any time there is an emergent event, there is a very good opportunity for global impact," Brownstein said. "We need to be thinking about emergent diseases as a global concern rather than [something] happening in a particular part of the world."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625 Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Today the C.S.I.R.O in Australia , the Worlds best Pactice Research Ornanisation . Has announce trails of 2 Vaccines ...
Is that not the same organization that the government drastically 'de-funded' into near oblivion to stop all research on Global Warming and Climate Change?...
Scientists really do need to be held in higher regard by the (science ignorant) politicians and bean counters...
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Ring-a-round the rosie,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down.
Ring-a-round the rosie,
A pocket full of posies,
Corona! Corona!
We all fall down.
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Which totally refutes Sorry, RNA sequencing doesn't happen in 30 minutes like on TV.
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JaundicedEye

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But generally that can't be done instantly, because it takes so long to collate the data from a wide enough range of hosts.
Which totally refutes the claim of different STRAINS infecting Iran and Italy. It's the SAME RNA Corona type virus STRAIN with POSSIBLE subtle mutations but there simply has not been enough time to analyze the virus sufficiently
strain strān
n.
A group of bacteria or viruses that are genetically distinct from other groups of the same species.
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moomin

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Nobody knows if it's a game-changer as it's stated so much in media. Hydroxychloroquine is one of several other drugs that could help. And don't hold your breath. It will take several months before it will be introduced to the public...
https://www.livescience.com/hydroxychloroquine-prevent-covid-19-study.html
The anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine has made headlines in recent weeks for its potential to help with the new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, though its benefits remain unproven. Now, a new study will test whether the drug can prevent COVID-19 transmission.
For the study, researchers in New York and Washington state plan to enroll 2,000 participants who are close contacts of people with confirmed or pending COVID-19 diagnoses.
Participants will be randomly assigned to take either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo for two weeks, and they will be tested daily for COVID-19, according to a statement from the University of Washington (UW), which will collaborate on the study with New York University (NYU).
The trial is expected to last eight weeks, and researchers hope to have the results by summer. But for now we don't have so many other options then trying all what we can do to find a solution.
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rob smith    Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester
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Viruses are always changing - just about every time they infect a host and then get transmitted onto another victim a tiny bit changes., so what started out in China will be subtly different in another country. With the scale and nature of the difference depending on which route it took to get there - If it arrived directly by air it will be more similar to the Chinese source than if if passed through several other countries (and thus human hosts) to get there.
It is these differences that allow "bugs people" to track back and say "that bug family came from this source, via that route". But generally that can't be done instantly, because it takes so long to collate the data from a wide enough range of hosts. Bob Smith
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JaundicedEye

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Hopefully VERY good news........
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/02/810405/
Infectious Disease Specialist Tells Fox News: ‘This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic’Posted at 8:36 am on April 2, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn
Dr. Stephen Smith, whom Fox News’ Laura Ingraham describes as one of the preeminent infectious disease specialists in the U.S., announced some very good news which, if true, would be a game changer in the fight against the Chinese coronavirus.
For those of us who are unfamiliar with some of the terms, he explained that when a patient goes into respiratory failure, they are intubated (they insert a tube into the patient’s trachea), and placed on a ventilator. He said that, so far, 20 of his patients have been intubated. And that has generally happened on day two.
Here is the great news. Dr. Smith said, “No person who has received five days or more of the hydroxychloroquine-zithro combination has been intubated. The chance of that occurring by chance [sic] according to my sons Leon and Hunter who did some stats for me are .000 something. It’s ridiculously low no matter how you look at it.”
Smith added, “We worry about selection bias in this situation. But I cannot think of a reason why, if all else is equal, why people that have received five days or more or even four days or more of this hydroxychloroquine-zithro regimen wouldn’t get intubated.”
He calls this “a game-changer. An absolute game-changer. I think this data goes to really support the French data” and went so far as to say, “Laura, I think this is the beginning of the end of the pandemic.”
....Bye the Bye.......still haven't seen any sources cited for the 'difference' in strains between China WuHu Flu and Italian or Iranian WuHu Flu..... ??? (maybe it's in the Secret Sauce).
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moomin

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From your linked article. https://www.mymilitia.com/forums/topic/65815-yes-it-is-the-chinese-communist-virus/
The point I am trying to make here is that not only did the Chinese bring the virus to Italy (and the rest of the world) it was far-Left politics and policies that facilitated it.
Italy hasn't "facilitated" the spread of the corona virus and it wouldn't helped whatever type of government they have.
They simply were unprepared to a pandemic. Like most any other country.
For decades every country have been cutting down on health care preparedness.
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Darth Beaver   

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Sorry I don't see a connection to the corona virus .
They got it because it's a gateway to Europe full stop .
Now weather there known for going to fat RIGHT or left in politics
There Italian !!...Mafia and all that . The Virus is just that ... a VIRUS
They haven't really been able to pull them self's out of that thing ppl tend to forget about the GFC
and if it remember wasn't that ubder the stewardship of the Right wing !!
And the world pay for that uck up too!! . So maybe Italy's problems started with the GFC and what's that Country' called U,S,A?
so like I said I don't see the connection to covid 19 and China being responsible for the fact Italy have
made a lot of mistakes.
If Italy want's to go all Commie !! it's there choice not China's bidding........ geeeeees
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JaundicedEye

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Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
And why would they under report the 'butcher's bill'?
The threat of all that Beijing cash investment going away? Here's a piece from an author living in Lombardy. Gives great insight of just how Italy began 'riding the tiger'.....
ITALY's RECIPE FOR DISASTER
_By Giacomino Nicolazzo (one of my favorite journalist/writers)
March 24, 2020
How the Corona Virus became so bad in Italy
As I sit here in my involuntary isolation, it was just reported that overnight 743 more people died and 5.249 new cases have been reported. This brings the total cases of infection to 69,176 and the body count to 6,820. We take relief in knowing that 8,326 people have recovered so far. (Numbers as of 3/24, 8:30pm in Italy.)
Most towns here in Italy, from the upper reaches of the Alps to the ancient shores of Sicilia and Sardenia, while not deserted, are closer to being ghost towns than the bustling centers of tourism, business and daily life they were just a few weeks ago.
Stores and shops have been shuttered. Restaurants and coffee shops no longer serve customers. Schools, universities, sporting arenas…even our museums and theaters…all closed. Even the Vatican City has closed its gates and armed patrols monitor the 20 foot tall walls that protect it!
Streets and roads are now empty for as far as the eye can see. Normally they would be filled with crazed Italian drivers in tiny cars and scooters (the ones that sound like demonic insects) darting here and there, reaching the limits of centrifugal force on our roundabouts. In the piazze of our towns and cities, there are now officially more pigeons than people.
Many of us know someone who has been infected and recovered. Some of us know someone who did not recover…now they are dead. But everyone knows someone who has been affected by this microscopic monster in one way or another.
Sixty million of us are in lockdown…it is like a war zone here. We are being held prisoner in our own homes by an unseen enemy that sneaked in unnoticed…by most of us. As you will read in just a few more minutes, there were those who knew something like this was coming…or at least they should have.
So who is to blame? With all this craziness swirling like a whirlpool at our feet, I just had to find the blame answer. And so I have spent my free time (of which I have a lot in these days) digging and researching. I was literally shocked to discover how this has come to be.
I am not going to bore you with talk of Patient ‘0’ who spread it to Patient ‘1’ and how mathematics efficiently explains the rapid expansion of infection. No…I am going to tell you how (as I see it) the virus came to Italy.
It has everything to do with communists. Allow me to explain.
Beginning in about 2014, Matteo Renzi, the imbecile ex-mayor of Firenze (Florence) acting as the leader of the Partito Democratico (synonymous with the Italian Communist party), somehow managed to get himself elected as Italy’s Prime Minister. To give you a proper frame of reference, Matteo Renzi was so far left, he would make Barack Obama look like Barry Goldwater!
At the same time that Renzi was leading Italy into oblivion, strange things were happening in Italy’s economy. Banks were failing…but not closing. Retirement ages were being extended…for some reason the pension funds were dwindling or disappearing. The national sales tax we call IVA (Value Added Tax) rose from 18% to 20%, then to 21% and again to 22%.
And in the midst of all this financial chicanery, the Chinese began furiously buying up Italian real estate and businesses in the North.
Now the reason I mention Renzi and the Chinese together is that strange things were also going on between the governments of Italy and China. A blind eye was being turned to the way the Chinese were buying businesses in the financial, telecommunication, industrial and fashion sectors of Italy’s economy, all of which take place in Milano.
To be brief…China was getting away with purchases and acquisitions in violation of Italian law and EU Trade Agreements with the US and the UK…and no one in either of those countries (not Obama in the US or Cameron in the UK) said a thing in their country’s defense. As a matter of fact, much of it was hidden from the public in all three countries.
In 2014, China infused the Italian economy with €5 billion through purchases of companies costing less than €100 million each. By the time Renzi left office (in disgrace) in 2016, Chinese acquisitions had exceeded €52 billion. When the dust settled, China owned more than 300 companies…representing 27% of the major Italian corporations.
The Bank of China now owns five major banks in Italy…all of which had been secretly (and illegally) propped up by Renzi using pilfered pension funds! Soon after, the China Milano Equity Exchange was opened and much of Italy’s wealth was being funneled back to the Chinese mainland.
Chinese state entities own Italy’s major telecommunication corporation (Telecom) as well as its major utilities (ENI and ENEL). Upon entry into the telecommunication market, Huawei established a facility in Segrate, a suburb of Milano. It launched is first research center there and worked on the study of microwaves which has resulted in the possibly-dangerous technology we call 5G.
China also now owns controlling interest in Fiat-Chrysler, Prysmian and Terna. You will be surprised to know that when you put a set of Pirelli tires on your car, the profits are going to China. Yep…the Chinese colossus of ChemChina, a chemical industry titan, bought that company too!
Last but not least is Ferretti yachts…the most prestigious yacht builder in Europe. Incredibly, it is no longer owned by the Ferretti family.
But the sector in which Chinese companies invested most was Italy’s profitable fashion industry. The Pinco Pallino, Miss Sixty, Sergio Tacchini, Roberta di Camerino and Mariella Burani brands have been acquired by 100%.
Designer Salvatore Ferragamo sold 16% and Caruso sold 35%. The most famous case is Krizia, purchased in 2014 by Shenzhen Marisfrolg Fashion Company, one of the leaders of high-priced, ready-to-wear fashions in Asia.
Throughout all of these purchases and acquisitions, Renzi’s government afforded the Chinese unrestricted and unfettered access to Italy and its financial markets, many coming through without customs inspections.
Quite literally, tens of thousands of Chinese came in through Milano (illegally) and went back out carrying money, technology and corporate secrets.
Thousands more were allowed to enter and disappeared into shadows of Milano and other manufacturing cities of Lombardy, only to surface in illegal sewing shops, producing knock-off designer clothes and slapping ‘Made In Italy’ labels on them. All with the tacit approval of the Renzi government.
It was not until there was a change in the governing party in Italy that the sweatshops and the illegal entry and departure of Chinese nationals was stopped. Matteo Salvini, representing the Lega Nord party, closed Italy’s ports to immigrants and systematically began disassembling the sweatshops and deporting those in Italy illegally.
But his rise to power was short-lived. Italy is a communist country…socialism is in the national DNA. Ways were found to remove Salvini, after which the communist party, under the direction of Giuseppe Conte, reopened the ports. Immediately, thousands of unvetted, undocumented refugees from the Middle East and East Africa began pouring in again.
Access was again provided to the Chinese, under the old terms, and as a consequence thousands of Chinese, the majority from Wuhan, began arriving in Milano.
In December of last year, the first inklings of a coronavirus were noticed in Lombardy…in the Chinese neighborhoods. There is no doubt amongst senior medical officials that the virus was brought here from China.
By the end of January 2020 cases were being reported left and right. By mid-February the virus was beginning to seriously overload the Lombardy hospitals and medical clinics. They are now in a state of collapse.
The Far-Left politicians sold out and betrayed the Italian people with open border policies and social justice programs. One of the reasons the health care system collapsed so quickly is because the Renzi government (and now continued under the Conte government) redirected funds meant to sustain the medical system, to pay for the tens of thousands of immigrants brought in to Italy against the will of the Italian people.
If you remember the horrible earthquake that decimated the villages around Amatricia, in the mountains east of Rome in 2015, you would also remember how the world responded by sending millions of dollars to help those affected.
But there is a law in Italy that prevents private donations to charitable Italian organizations. All money and donations received must be turned over to a government agency, who in turn is to appropriate the funds as needed. But that agency is corrupt just as are all the others.
Most of the money never reached a single victim in the mountains. The Renzi government redirected the vast majority of those funds to pay for the growing immigrant and refugee costs.
As the economy worsened under the burden of illegal immigration, compounded by gross government spending and incompetence, unemployment rose quickly…especially among young people. The unemployment rate for men and women under age 35 is close to 40%.
So more money was diverted from the health care system and used to pay what is known here as guaranteed income. Whether you work or not you are paid here, especially if you belong to the PD! The government simply raises taxes on those who do work.
Let me give you a quick example of the height of insanity to which Italian taxation has risen. If you live in a building that has a balcony or balconies…and any of those balconies cast a shadow on the ground, you must pay a public shadow tax! I will say no more!
The point I am trying to make here is that not only did the Chinese bring the virus to Italy (and the rest of the world) it was far-Left politics and policies that facilitated it.
This should hopefully be a warning to Americans that while they work to rid themselves of the China Virus, they should just as vehemently endeavor to rid their government of any politician that circumvents the Constitution and ignores the laws of the land…plain and simple.
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Giacomino Nicolazzo is one of Italy’s most beloved writers. Born and raised in Central Pennsylvania, he lives in a small village in Lombardy where he writes his books.
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Clyde "Liberal"    Volunteer tester
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but 'Made In China' is engraved on every case of the WuHu Flu, whether made in a lab or a natural occurrence because some local Ozzie Osborn ate a bat.
Correct. In addition, two more reports that the effect's of COVID-19 is probably worse than understood/admitted.
A county in central China has reportedly gone into a mid-sized lockdown amid fears of a second coronavirus wave as Beijing is trying to emerge from the deadly outbreak and revive its economy.
Roughly 600,000 residents near the city of Pingdingshan in Jia County were told to stay home as curfew measures went into effect Tuesday. The county is located in the Henan province, some 500 miles south of Beijing and just north of the Hubei province where the pandemic originated in December 2019.
A notice on the county microblog account said special permits are needed to leave home and residents must have their temperature taken and are required to wear face masks, the South China Morning Post reported.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/county-in-china-locks-down-amid-concerns-of-second-coronavirus-wave/
Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
MILAN—In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.
These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested.
In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179 Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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You know if it was intentional by China why Didn't the Great Man TRump see it or your Armed forces , Spy networks ??? and why did you let them win by not preventing it .
All hail TRUMP , Capitalism , and selfishness ....:)
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