Therefore, Germany's mortality rate is similar to Italy's if you take into account "how you calculate"?

I know these numbers very well. And when looking at them it doesn't make sense. Until you know how countries do their counting. In Germany they test a LOT more, while for instance in Sweden we don't test people at all. Only very old people with symptoms and some medical personal.
.[/quote]Therefore, of the three numbers which are very, very important.
Total number infected, total number of deaths and therefore the mortality rate of COVID 19.
We really know only one of three :-([/quote]

Yes It's very much like the Drake equation that gives you from 1 to many billions of ETs:)

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Mortally rate makes no difference or is dismissed?
There is a difference if the mortality rate of any disease is 20%, 10%, 5%,1%.
Especially to those individuals, and the serious concerns of their loved ones, infected with any disease.
I will not dismiss the concerns of those individuals and their loved ones, who are now, or will be infected in the future regarding any disease.

Perhaps you missed my point. There are not really any significant difference of mortality rates between the countries in Europe. It's how you calculate it that differ. Nothing else.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) death rate in countries with confirmed deaths and over 1,000 reported cases as of March 29, 2020, by country:

Italy: 11.03%
Spain: 8.49%
Netherlands: 7.10%
France: 6.49%
United Kingdom: 6.29%
Belgium: 3.98%
Germany: 0.86%

Therefore, Germany's mortality rate is similar to Italy's if you take into account "how you calculate"?

I know these numbers very well. And when looking at them it doesn't make sense. Until you know how countries do their counting. In Germany they test a LOT more, while for instance in Sweden we don't test people at all. Only very old people with symptoms and some medical personal.

Therefore, of the three numbers which are very, very important.

Total number infected, total number of deaths and therefore the mortality rate of COVID 19.

We really know only one of three :-(

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Special note:

The UK figures are for those admitted to hospital and then tested. Hence the UK mortality figures are for those that survive hospitalisation...


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Martin

If/when those who have/had no, or mild symptoms are tested. Guessing the mortality rate will decrease.

"If/when" possibly means we may never know the true number infected. And those in the medical/statistical profession will, sometime in the future, make educated guesstimates regarding the true number that were infected.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Mortally rate makes no difference or is dismissed?
There is a difference if the mortality rate of any disease is 20%, 10%, 5%,1%.
Especially to those individuals, and the serious concerns of their loved ones, infected with any disease.
I will not dismiss the concerns of those individuals and their loved ones, who are now, or will be infected in the future regarding any disease.

Perhaps you missed my point. There are not really any significant difference of mortality rates between the countries in Europe. It's how you calculate it that differ. Nothing else.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) death rate in countries with confirmed deaths and over 1,000 reported cases as of March 29, 2020, by country:

Italy: 11.03%
Spain: 8.49%
Netherlands: 7.10%
France: 6.49%
United Kingdom: 6.29%
Belgium: 3.98%
Germany: 0.86%

Therefore, Germany's mortality rate is similar to Italy's if you take into account "how you calculate"?

I know these numbers very well. And when looking at them it doesn't make sense. Until you know how countries do their counting. In Germany they test a LOT more, while for instance in Sweden we don't test people at all. Only very old people with symptoms and some medical personal.

Special note:

I have read that the UK figures are for those admitted to hospital and then tested. Hence the UK mortality figures are for those that do not survive hospitalisation...

Edit: '... after being hospitalised that is!'


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Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Mortally rate makes no difference or is dismissed?
There is a difference if the mortality rate of any disease is 20%, 10%, 5%,1%.
Especially to those individuals, and the serious concerns of their loved ones, infected with any disease.
I will not dismiss the concerns of those individuals and their loved ones, who are now, or will be infected in the future regarding any disease.

Perhaps you missed my point. There are not really any significant difference of mortality rates between the countries in Europe. It's how you calculate it that differ. Nothing else.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) death rate in countries with confirmed deaths and over 1,000 reported cases as of March 29, 2020, by country:

Italy: 11.03%
Spain: 8.49%
Netherlands: 7.10%
France: 6.49%
United Kingdom: 6.29%
Belgium: 3.98%
Germany: 0.86%

Therefore, Germany's mortality rate is similar to Italy's if you take into account "how you calculate"?

Edit: This is the March 30, 2020 mortality rate update:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

Similar mortality percentage for COVID 19.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Mortally rate makes no difference or is dismissed?
There is a difference if the mortality rate of any disease is 20%, 10%, 5%,1%.
Especially to those individuals, and the serious concerns of their loved ones, infected with any disease.
I will not dismiss the concerns of those individuals and their loved ones, who are now, or will be infected in the future regarding any disease.

Perhaps you missed my point. There are not really any significant difference of mortality rates between the countries in Europe. It's how you calculate it that differ. Nothing else.
If you would count a much larger sample you would most likely find that COVID-19 has about the mortality rate of 1%. Perhaps 4%. Not 20%.

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Mortally rate makes no difference or is dismissed?

There is a difference if the mortality rate of any disease is 20%, 10%, 5%,1%.

Especially to those individuals, and the serious concerns of their loved ones, infected with any disease.

I will not dismiss the concerns of those individuals and their loved ones, who are now, or will be infected in the future regarding any disease.

Edit: Yes, the mortality rate of COVID 19, the total number of people who died and the total number infected, is a necessary part of this discussion.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.
Lower? Higher? The Same?

Well The only thing we know for certain when testing more people. The Mortality Rate will lower:) Does that mean anything really? No. For now we don't know anything about any numbers. Except for the death cases but that is also unknown in many countries :(

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

I was also wondering what will be the percentage of deaths per those finally found to have been infected. But had no or mild symptoms and added to those presently known would be.

Lower? Higher? The Same?

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

it has never been done in the history of our country.

Chinese exclusion act 1882 signed by President Chester A. Arthur.

Based on government statements, official state media stories, and reporting from mainstream independent journalism outlets, Think Global Health has identified eighty-eight countries and territories that have imposed some form of travel restriction against China as of March 11

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/travel-restrictions-china-due-covid-19

Yep, all these Country's did as Trump did.

And a list of many of those Country's:

https://fortune.com/2020/02/06/countries-china-travel-restrictions-coronavirus/

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

it has never been done in the history of our country.

Chinese exclusion act 1882 signed by President Chester A. Arthur.

I don't think Donnie paid so much attention in history class when being a cadet. Hehe:)
Then his knowledge of viral pandemics is zero.

it has never been done in the history of our country.

Chinese exclusion act 1882 signed by President Chester A. Arthur.

But didn't Trump stopped all these people from China?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1244682364284014594

Thousands coming in from China long earlier then anybody thought including the experts.
Nobody thought we should do it. Except ME. And I stopped EVERYBODY. We stopped it, it has never been done in the history of our country.

A No 10 spokesperson defended not following international guidelines, saying: "We have world-class experts advising the prime minister. We take their advice and have confidence in their judgements."

Does that exclude Dominic Cummings?

Britain knows best

It had to happen. :-(

"little hitlers" strike out

Now that the U.S. has 50% more cases than Italy and almost double that of Spain and China many are wondering how far that will go.

Why Is the U.S. Behind on Coronavirus Testing?

“Testing is the biggest problem that we’re facing,” Peter Slavin, president of Massachusetts General Hospital, said recently in a roundtable on Covid-19 at Harvard Medical School. While South Korea had tested about 4,000 people per million of its population at the time, the United States had just run five tests per million — despite the fact that they both reported their first cases at essentially the same time (on January 21 and 20). The discrepancy was surprising because the genome of the virus had been available since January and scientists had figured out the diagnostics shortly thereafter, using proven molecular methods first discovered in the 1970s.......

......If testing is so valuable, why wasn’t the United States prepared to deploy tests quickly, even before Covid-19 hit the country? In recent weeks, the American media has focused on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) flawed test kits, the reluctance of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to approve new tests, manufacturing problems, government red tape, and President Trump’s conflicting or even false statements about the availability of and need for tests.

Once the U.S. does gets its testing up to speed what will be the real numbers then?

Question: Why are the death rate's for Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, France, the UK and Belgium so much higher than Germany?

Because all countries report data differently.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/26/health/number-of-cases-testing-data-intl/index.html

- The danger lies in trusting the figures and assuming that they give us information about the exact number of people who have been infected. Unfortunately, there is no meter system that makes it possible to compare the situation in different countries, "Michael Tildesley, professor of mathematical epidemiology at Warwick University in the UK, told CNN.
Tildesley, expert in developing mathematical models for the spread of diseases, and other researchers point out, for example, that the United Kingdom has a high mortality rate, about 20,000 sick and 1,200 dead, while the corresponding figures for Germany are about 60,000 and 500, which gives a low mortality.
The explanation is, according to experts, among other things that in the UK only samples are taken of those who are ill enough to need hospital care. In Germany, on the other hand, everyone with flu-like symptoms or who has been in contact with someone who has been infected or has visited a high-risk area is tested.

How to understand – and report – figures for ‘Covid deaths’https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-

Rump tickle your tonsils too?

I have a BIGLY Picture of SUPERTrump and I Kiss his BEAUTIFUL FACE at leat 10 times a day.

Kissing da GREATEST PREZ EVER has a Wonderful Effect on my Psyche. I Love dAt Guy!!!!!

Thank GOoDness fO SUPERTrump

RUBEWorld doin' GOoD, REAL GOoD

orange yape

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... Spit on the ground every time his name is mentioned...

Best not to...

Best not to risk spreading anything infectious...


And in some parts of the 'Wild West' for such a thing as that, with all those wild guns being bought as 'emergency essential items', would there not be a risk being shot on sight?

(I'll leave it up to the devotees as to whether whatever reason might be any/all of: random; offense of spreading infection; assumed insult; political; blasphemy; other?!)


Stay safe!
Martin

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