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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36804 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now that explains it all. ;-) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22534 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Thanks Richard. Some really interesting assumptions in that story, but the image is just whacky out of all proportion. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36804 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
But it allows those with very small minds to wrap their meager brain cells around a very simple, but wrong, principle. Definitely Trump supporter territory there. |
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Ah NOPE. There is a HUGE POT of MONEY being and to be Dispersed to Those in Politics; Academia; Science who PUSH UPWARD the Climate 'Change' Agenda. MONEY Driven Drivel and BS. Get It While One Can. Oldest Game in dA Book 106 Billion People since People Began would not make a Dent in Volume of Grand Canyon. And If They All Farted at Same Time and Continued to Fart for Infinity.....still No Worries. MONEY GRAB Baby!!!!! Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21227 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This looks to be a very big win: CO2 Free Steel becomes a reality... And that is in the here and now and at industrial scale. No more need for dirty old coke and coal!! And all for less required energy input overall also! ... How quickly can the rest of the world's steel production be converted to go clean?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21227 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Going further with green hydrogen, we have spearheading new business: JCB signs green hydrogen deal worth billions wrote: Construction equipment maker JCB has signed a deal to buy billions of pounds of green hydrogen, defined as hydrogen produced using renewable energy. There looks to be some good clean synergy there. Good profitable business also. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21227 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here is a beautiful place not too far away that I've visited that is again in the news: Renewable energy: How Scottish Isle of Eigg relies on wind, water, solar wrote: As the world slowly moves away from using fossil fuels for electricity, a tiny Scottish island has shown it’s possible to rely almost entirely on renewables... Since ... 2008... Where there is a positive will, there is a good way forwards! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21227 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Promises for going cleaner: COP26: More than 40 countries pledge to quit coal wrote: More than 40 countries have committed to shift away from coal, in pledges made at the COP26 climate summit. Enough of a solution and soon enough? Or just more blah-blah-blah hot air and politics?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31010 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/arctic-ocean-early-warming-climate/index.html The Arctic Ocean has been warming since the onset of the 20th century, decades earlier than instrument observations would suggest, according to new research. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31010 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Likely fits here best here though it isn't explicitly about climate but is about how humans react to solving a shared problem. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211122-why-overly-kind-and-moral-people-can-rub-you-up-the-wrong-way |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21227 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Really usefully useful?... Wind-powered net zero McDonald's opens in Market Drayton wrote: A net zero carbon McDonald's has opened in what the company believes is a UK first. Useful and practical? Or... Some fast and loose Marketing Green-wash?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Can they claim that when they sell all those belching cow based products. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31010 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Can they claim that when they sell all those belching cow based products. Who pays the guy to write the report and who does he have to please? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36804 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I'm not so sure about this being a real solution as yet, but it's sort of a start and interesting. Newly Invented Catalyst Dramatically Increases The Efficiency of Turning CO2 Into Fuel. It took nature decades of photosynthesis, followed by eons of intense heat and pressure from geological activity to bake atmospheric carbon dioxide into the long chains of hydrocarbon that make up fossil fuels. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36804 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now if they can get this down pat I can see it going a long way, especially here down under. New Solar Panel Design Uses Wasted Energy to Make Water From Air. While generating green energy, solar panels usually create excess heat that goes unused. But with a new, innovative design, scientists have found a way to harness those precious leftovers to give the power producers a second purpose: pulling water out of thin air.... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22534 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Well, my confusion continues. As some will know I periodically have a look at the UK's electric grid's sources of power, if for no other reason than being nosy. Today, a rather dull day here in the middle of England the mix was: CCGT = 39.4%; Nuclear = 15.3%; Wind = 24.4%; Hydro = 2.4% Solar = 0.4%; Coal = 3.9%; Biomass = 7.4% (Don't bother trying to add this lot up, I know it doesn't add up to 100%, there are quite a few, generally quite small, sources I've not included) Hardly any surprise that solar is so low, we are looking at the UK on a dull March morning and the Sun is hiding behind a thick layer of cloud. The amount of nuclear is fairly constant at just below 6GWHr, but obviously the proportion varies with demand. Hydro, well we are a "green and pleasant land", with no real mountains, but some decent upland areas so I think we could do far better on that front. Wind, well we do have a fairly constant wind flow over parts of the UK, but it does vary a bit too much to be a reliable backbone. Coal??? WTF, I thought we'd got rid of all the coal burners. The UK is pushing solar and wind, but I don't see that being the whole of the UK's energy solution. Quite a number of UK new-build houses and commercial premises are having lots of solar panels fitted, I've no idea about how many of those are feeding directly into the grid and how many are connected to battery banks. But we are in the UK and we do not have the nice bright sun of say North Africa, but a cloudy maritime climate. So why not encourage micro/mini-hydro schemes which would utilize some of the run-off streams around our moors and uplands, reduce the need for massive power distribution networks and not rely on the rarely seen sun, but on the frequently observed rain. I'm sure with a little thought and effort hydro could easily eliminate the need for burning coal, and eat into the CCGT requirement. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I suspect that much of the answer lies in so much of British decision-making being concentrated in the relatively flat, dry, and porous south-east of England. Scotland has a significant number of public hydro-power stations feeding into the national grid; both Scotland and Wales have pumped-storage hydro stations (Cruachan and Dinorwig respectively); England (well, Northumberland) has Cragside, attributed with being fitted with the first private hydro-electric system in the world, in 1870. So we have the knowledge, the expertise, and (in some places) the geography to make use of all these tools. But either we've forgotten how, or we overlook them in favour of more "acceptable", "fashionable" alternatives. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22534 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Richard - of your list of options I'd go for "fashion" as the most likely. Just look at the number of villages that had their own water driven mills at one time. Indeed there were some quite substantial industrial machines like ore crushers and forge hammers that were water powered until the late 1800s, whereupon it became fashionable to use steam the electricity to provide the power for such equipment. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Yes, I live in exactly such a village. Our village symbol is a stylised water-wheel, derived from the wheel at Sunnydale Paper Mill. It's said that the top wheel (of two) was the largest built, until the Laxey wheel was built to a similar design. The mill it powered produced high-quality paper, used for printing banknotes. The mill was the highest and most prestigious of a chain of up to a dozen mills that ran down the valley - so it got first dibs on the water captured from the moorland. Each subsequent mill captured the water again in its own pond, and used it to power mostly textile production. I have a map dated 1899, showing the main mills still in use - it can still be used as a walking guide to the village, and the outlines of the now-demolished buildings can be traced. I live in a small courtyard of five cottages: one of my neighbours when they were first built in the 1850s is listed as a 'papermaker' in the 1861 census. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22534 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Fascinating little bit of local history there Richard. Edit to add:- I'd have never thought of Yorkshire as producing paper. Tea maybe, but paper! Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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