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Message 2077380 - Posted: 5 Jun 2021, 22:31:58 UTC - in response to Message 2077376.  

For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet...

With the time it takes to do major infrastructure changes the the time between now and when Boris has said we will all go electric is not long.

In fact it is very short.

Give me a time frame for when every street in the country where there is no off-road parking and outside multistory dwellings, for the electricity distribution companies to install two charge points for every ten houses.
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Message 2077381 - Posted: 5 Jun 2021, 23:22:09 UTC - in response to Message 2077380.  
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For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet...

With the time it takes to do major infrastructure changes the the time between now and when Boris has said we will all go electric is not long.

In fact it is very short.

Give me a time frame for when every street in the country where there is no off-road parking and outside multistory dwellings, for the electricity distribution companies to install two charge points for every ten houses.

That's the easy part. Connecting them to the grid so all of them can be in use at once is the tricky part. Every power cable will have to be replaced with one say three times the diameter to carry the power. Every transformer in the country will need to be replaced with one with three times the power rating. Every bank of reactance capacitors will need to be replaced. Where power is underground new raceways will have to be dug. Where overhead, stronger telephone poles will be needed. Doing anything more that a cosmetic political feel good stunt is a project akin to taking a civilian economy and transforming it into a wartime economy.
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Message 2077384 - Posted: 6 Jun 2021, 0:00:43 UTC

We do at least seem to be getting towards good clean power systems


How many Power Plants have you been in?

I worked in them. Coal and Nuke.

I Breathed Big Gobs of Air and Never Coughed or Choked. Was Like sitting in front of my TV at Home.

FRESH Beautamous Air.

You Know when I CHOKE and COUGH. When I'm Outside my House and A Car goes by or a Person Goes by with CIG Smoke Billowing Out
of Car Windows and Passerby Lungs. I've CHOKED and COUGHED 100s of Thousands of Times because of CIG and CIGAR Smoke. NEVER while at POWER PLANT.

Turbine Floor to Top of Boilers and All About dA Pipe Racks. Clean and Fresh Baby!

You Know Nothing of Clean Power. I've Breathed it Many Many Many Times.

You?
Don't judge Fossil Fuels by a Few instances of a Nearby Terribly UNTuned Vehicle spewing UNBurnt fuel out Exhaust Pipe. Once it Blows by it is Back to Beautamous Air Again.

You might as Well GET RID of ALL FORESTs and BUILDINGs 'cause of Forest Fires.

Nope

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Message 2077386 - Posted: 6 Jun 2021, 0:32:36 UTC - in response to Message 2077381.  
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For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet...

With the time it takes to do major infrastructure changes the the time between now and when Boris has said we will all go electric is not long.

In fact it is very short...

... for the electricity distribution companies to install two charge points for every ten houses.

That's the easy part. Connecting them to the grid so all of them can be in use at once is the tricky part. Every power cable ... Every transformer in the country ... Every bank of reactance capacitors ... Doing anything more that a cosmetic political feel good stunt is a project akin to taking a civilian economy and transforming it into a wartime economy.

Agreed, except it is quite that bad...

There is already new infrastructure being put in place in anticipation of requiring a more distributed/localized system for power capacity. We have a large number of newly installed local generation plant that are a few 10's of MWatt, remotely controlled, for very short peak power smoothing. It's not much of a stretch to also add power storage to those sites.

Note that we have an interconnected grid supply system. New capacity is merely a case of incrementally adding additional capacity as needed with new additional equipment. The existing infrastructure remains in place or is repurposed to supply a smaller distribution area to stay within capacity.


So, yes, we'll need some upgrades. The question there is who pays and how, and who grabs the profits from the improvements...


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Message 2077387 - Posted: 6 Jun 2021, 0:37:34 UTC - in response to Message 2077384.  
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We do at least seem to be getting towards good clean power systems


... Turbine Floor to Top of Boilers and All About dA Pipe Racks. Clean and Fresh Baby!...

... Yep

Yes indeed, a well run power plant is beautifully clean in the control room and the engineering hall. Very good for the equipment and for maintenance to have everything clean.

The problem is with what is spewed out of the smoke stack into the sky... And on an unimaginable industrial sky-high scale that is just unimaginable.

There are better ways to generate power without burning our planet.


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Message 2077407 - Posted: 6 Jun 2021, 17:27:21 UTC - in response to Message 2077387.  

There are better ways to generate power without burning our planet.

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Message 2077470 - Posted: 7 Jun 2021, 16:08:41 UTC

This one has been long awaited for making a big positive splash:


World's most powerful tidal turbine : Launched April 2021
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... a jumbo jet sized floating platform supporting two large turbines has been launched off the coast of Scotland, providing new hope for a potentially influential industry...



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The beauty of this in GB, is that the time of slack water moves around the coast with the tide, so with multiple units, there is no time when there is zero production.



Way to go!

Sooner rather than too late?


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Message 2077520 - Posted: 8 Jun 2021, 13:55:07 UTC - in response to Message 2077470.  

The beauty of this in GB, is that the time of slack water moves around the coast with the tide, so with multiple units, there is no time when there is zero production.
Ah yes, brand new fat power cables all over to move this power around.
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Message 2077563 - Posted: 8 Jun 2021, 22:30:08 UTC - in response to Message 2077520.  
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The beauty of this in GB, is that the time of slack water moves around the coast with the tide, so with multiple units, there is no time when there is zero production.
Ah yes, brand new fat power cables all over to move this power around.
Or do we really need any power cables at all?


The Australian inventions that could change the world.

Until now, the storage of power generated by rooftop solar has been provided by lithium batteries like Tesla’s Powerwall, but Australians have now developed an alternative that uses cutting-edge hydrogen technology instead.

Developed in partnership with the University of NSW, Sydney, the LAVO hydrogen hybrid battery can store more than 40kWh of electricity – enough to power the average Australian home for two days.

It can integrate with people’s rooftop solar systems and can last for around 30 years, which is three times longer than many lithium batteries including the Powerwall.

“It’s a great looking unit, it’s stylish and fits into a home or business quite easily,” Dr Newell said.

“Plug into your water system or solar system and get free energy for 30 years.”

The unit costs about $34,000 and is available to pre-order for delivery later this year.
[edit] I'm not so sure about the lower front edges on that electric motorbike in that link though.

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Message 2077625 - Posted: 9 Jun 2021, 20:04:14 UTC

Another bright and obvious step in a better and brighter direction:


Halogen lightbulb sales to be banned in UK under climate change plans
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Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate change plans.

The move will cut 1.26 million tonnes of carbon emissions a year and deliver consumers savings, officials say...

... LED lights last five times longer than traditional halogen bulbs and produce the same amount of light, but use up to 80% less power...



A good bright way to go!

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Message 2077628 - Posted: 9 Jun 2021, 20:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 2077625.  

Most of my lights are LED but they are not a satisfactory answer for everything. Places where heat comes into play such as my wall oven and the hood over my cooktop melt the plastic internals and the LED bulbs fail quite rapidly.
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Message 2077655 - Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 14:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 2077628.  
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That's an understandable problem for a retro-fit for that use.

That's where new designs are needed for those high temperature uses that instead use such as light pipes so that the LEDs can be kept out of the oven/hob heat.

Easily done for newer appliances.


Meanwhile, I wonder if "cold cathode" florescents would be a good alternative retrofit for that niche...?


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Message 2077656 - Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 14:44:48 UTC
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Roll up, roll up, for a bombshell story:


University of East Anglia 'Climategate' scandal to be turned into film
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The "Climategate" computer hacking scandal that rocked the scientific world is to be made into a BBC film.

Hackers stole thousands of emails and documents from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit in Norwich in 2009.

Line of Duty actor Jason Watkins is to star in The Trick playing climate change scientist Prof Philip Jones. Watkins said it was a "privilege to play the brilliant scientist..."

... He said: "It is rare that a drama marries the personal and the public in such a compelling way - the urgent need to tackle the effects of the earth's warming is not going away and the research into this project has been sobering.

"It is a privilege to play the brilliant scientist, Phil Jones, whose own private world was so threatened from outside and whose research and efforts have been so vital globally in combating the effects of climate change."...


That looks like a compelling film about intertwined compelling real world events...

Here's hoping the publicity does some good to make for some good positive progress...


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Message 2077670 - Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 18:11:35 UTC - in response to Message 2077666.  
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Absolutely beautiful solution to climate change. Totally doable today!

Thanks for that.

Wow!


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Message 2077671 - Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 18:22:46 UTC

Well, someone (Putin and/or Xi Jinping ), have obviously found a way to moronize lots of Republican politicians, and voters.
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Message 2078347 - Posted: 21 Jun 2021, 14:27:09 UTC

Just to keep people artfully reminded:


Tankers and Transit vans sculpted into steel forests
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Artist Dan Rawlings has transformed a petrol tanker from a functional vehicle carrying fossil fuels into a work of intricate industrial beauty, with a message about the power of nature...


Beautifully done.

To what effect? A part of the art??



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Message 2078440 - Posted: 22 Jun 2021, 18:34:39 UTC
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Getting Global Warming into the news and onto social media:


Climate change: Stripes campaign 'started conversations'
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A campaign to visualise climate change has "started millions of conversations", its creator has said.

Prof Ed Hawkins, of the University of Reading, came up with the "warming stripes" graphics to illustrate temperatures changing over time.

A social media campaign was supported by scientists, TV weather presenters and celebrities around the world...



Simple.

Effective.

Very real.


More needed.

Positive action needed!


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Message 2078500 - Posted: 23 Jun 2021, 14:07:14 UTC
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The UK breezes ahead with wind power:


Wind turbines: How UK wants to become 'Saudi Arabia of wind'
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... Danish renewable energy giant Orsted has installed about half of the UK's offshore wind capacity.

... watch as its thousandth UK wind turbine was erected...



At the moment, the UK electricity is powered mainly by wind, gas, and nuclear imports from France. The gas usage is further reduced by a good chunk of solar power, old UK nuclear power, and some controversial 'biomass' burning (using wood pellets from the USA transported by very dirty fossil fuels...).

A very small number of coal fired power stations are maintained as emergency capacity backup for peak usage during extreme weather (such as during winter).

Continuing, we need to speed up the roll out of tidal stream power and energy storage systems (batteries and a good healthy mix of others).


Here's hoping that the dirty old fossils don't cause too much vandalism with their lobbying to very expensively try their holy grail of "Carbon Capture Sequestration".

Why make an expensive mess with dirty old fossils to then only have to even more expensively clean it up afterwards?!


Let's go clean and healthy for everyone!

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Message 2078514 - Posted: 23 Jun 2021, 19:56:06 UTC - in response to Message 2078500.  
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Where's the power generation being built to power the all electric vehicles we will be using in the next decade.

33 million cars doing 8,000 miles/year needing 4kWh/mile.
Plus the same for buses, trucks and vans.
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