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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
How can the supposed 'adults' get our world so badly wrong?! School Strike 4 Climate: Thousands join Australia protest wrote: Thousands of Australian children are walking out of school to attend protests, calling for action on climate change. What does it take to kill off the corrupt fossil fuels industry?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What does it take to kill off the corrupt fossil fuels industry?...A different corrupt energy industry fully in place. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Clean-Burning Fossil fuels are dA SOLUTIONs. Combined with Air: Water; and Tectonic Energy 'Production'. Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11414 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Clean-Burning Fossil fuels are dA SOLUTIONs. Combined with Air: Water; and Tectonic Energy 'Production'. I also believe in the Easter bunny. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Do we really need to go to court and enforce legal action for every step against the dirty greedy polluters? Shell: Netherlands court orders oil giant to cut emissions wrote: A court in the Netherlands has ruled in a landmark case that the oil giant Shell must reduce its emissions... All this despite renewables already being more profitable than dirty pollution! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19369 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-05-25/biden-administration-unveils-an-offshore-wind-plan-for-californias-coast The federal government plans to open more than 250,000 acres off the California coast to wind development, the Biden administration announced Tuesday, as part of a major effort to ramp up the nation’s renewable energy and cut its climate-warming emissions. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that. Good to see positive movement... ... 4,600 megawatts of electricity — enough to power 1.6 million homes... Yikes! Are USA homes so wastefully power hungry??! That would be powering over 4 million UK homes with power to spare... Cue moves to improve the AirCon and thermal insulation?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yikes! Are USA homes so wastefully power hungry??! Difference between a home and a flat? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Single family California home block of flats in ML1's country Got the point on the energy disparity? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19369 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Big oil has had a bad day; ExxonMobil, Chevron lose key shareholder votes, Dutch court orders Shell to cut emissions faster, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service proposal to list lesser prairie chicken under the Endangered Species Act could impose restrictions on drilling in the Permian Basin, The Environmental Protection Agency is aiming to rewrite Trump-era regulations that curtailed the ability of states and tribes to protest major energy projects that threaten rivers, lakes and streams. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Going green and clean for the good of everyone: Bus depot bid to be UK's largest electric vehicle charging hub wrote: Scotland's biggest bus operator has announced it is building the UK's largest electric vehicle charging hub. Way to go for a brighter cleaner more healthy horizon! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19369 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
... Charging the full fleet will use the same electricity as it takes to power a town of 10,000 people. The scale of the project means changes are needed to the power grid to accommodate the extra demand. That paragraph probably foretells the biggest story, is the UK and most other countries anywhere near working out the solutions for the extra electricity generation and distribution needed. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
... Charging the full fleet will use the same electricity as it takes to power a town of 10,000 people. The scale of the project means changes are needed to the power grid to accommodate the extra demand. Coal fired peaking power plants? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Charging the full fleet will use the same electricity as it takes to power a town of 10,000 people. The scale of the project means changes are needed to the power grid to accommodate the extra demand. Nope... There should be no need. Especially so here in the UK with our excess of gas powered plants... Old coal fired plant might still have a role to play for 'emergency' capacity management to be fired up and brought online only to cover for supply failures elsewhere. Meanwhile, we have other far better options for covering for power peaks. There is also the aspect that with only a 4 hours charge time, are the Glasgow buses going to be charging up on cheap overnight electricity whilst the rest of the country sleeps? Way to go...! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here's a good article covering the costs of balancing the peaks and troughs of power supply vs demand: Getting to 100% renewables requires cheap energy storage. But how cheap? wrote: New research gives energy storage a cost target... Note that article is from 2019. Since then we have had Tesla save South Australia from the dirty old coal plants 'gaming' and expensively gouging the supply grid. The storage batteries used there for balancing the grid supply have already paid for themselves multiple times over. We now also have good improvements in costs and tech across multiple storage systems... More details to come. Are we there yet? We do at least seem to be getting towards good clean power systems. The question is more of are we converting to going green and clean quickly enough... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19369 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
going to be charging up on cheap overnight electricity whilst the rest of the country sleeps? Along with everybody else needing to charge their vehicles for use the next business day. Considering the numbers involved it could be that night time might not be the low consumption time. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
going to be charging up on cheap overnight electricity whilst the rest of the country sleeps? For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet... Also, more development is needed yet. We'll soon enough wonder however people survived fueling up with the smelly toxic dangerously flammable stuff of today! How long ago was it that smoking was banned at petrol stations?... We'll get there but soon enough? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19369 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet... With the time it takes to do major infrastructure changes the the time between now and when Boris has said we will all go electric is not long. In fact it is very short. Give me a time frame for when every street in the country where there is no off-road parking and outside multistory dwellings, for the electricity distribution companies to install two charge points for every ten houses. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
For the time being, we're a long way away from that yet... That's the easy part. Connecting them to the grid so all of them can be in use at once is the tricky part. Every power cable will have to be replaced with one say three times the diameter to carry the power. Every transformer in the country will need to be replaced with one with three times the power rating. Every bank of reactance capacitors will need to be replaced. Where power is underground new raceways will have to be dug. Where overhead, stronger telephone poles will be needed. Doing anything more that a cosmetic political feel good stunt is a project akin to taking a civilian economy and transforming it into a wartime economy. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
We do at least seem to be getting towards good clean power systems How many Power Plants have you been in? I worked in them. Coal and Nuke. I Breathed Big Gobs of Air and Never Coughed or Choked. Was Like sitting in front of my TV at Home. FRESH Beautamous Air. You Know when I CHOKE and COUGH. When I'm Outside my House and A Car goes by or a Person Goes by with CIG Smoke Billowing Out of Car Windows and Passerby Lungs. I've CHOKED and COUGHED 100s of Thousands of Times because of CIG and CIGAR Smoke. NEVER while at POWER PLANT. Turbine Floor to Top of Boilers and All About dA Pipe Racks. Clean and Fresh Baby! You Know Nothing of Clean Power. I've Breathed it Many Many Many Times. You? Don't judge Fossil Fuels by a Few instances of a Nearby Terribly UNTuned Vehicle spewing UNBurnt fuel out Exhaust Pipe. Once it Blows by it is Back to Beautamous Air Again. You might as Well GET RID of ALL FORESTs and BUILDINGs 'cause of Forest Fires. Nope Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
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