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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Climate Change? Iceland: Town of Seydisfjordur evacuated after mudslide hits |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Whatever next?... Skiing in Spain?!!! Storm Filomena: Spain sees 'exceptional' snowfall wrote: Storm Filomena has blanketed parts of Spain in heavy snow, with half of the country on red alert for more on Saturday. That might be a 'first' for those areas in their recorded history! Unfortunately, that is all to be expected as our weather systems are driven to ever greater extremes as we industriously pollute our planet ever further with ever yet more man-made carbon dioxide and methane and other big pollutants... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Whatever next?... Sierra Nevada is one skin resort. And it is not far from the Southern coast. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Whatever next?... Spain is now a suburb of the Arctic: Central Spain records temperatures of -25C after snowstorm wrote: People in central Spain are struggling as a deep freeze follows the weekend's heavy snow, leading to treacherous conditions. Best not to mess with the Arctic ice and the stratospheric jet stream! Ooops... Then again, what are we doing?!!!... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
All by the blinkered power of the short term of greedy ignorance: Climate change: Africa's green energy transition 'unlikely' this decade wrote: Fossil fuels are set to remain the dominant source of electricity across Africa over the next decade, according to a new study. How is that so when we have renewables that are lower cost than dirty old coal pollution?!... Meanwhile, for what can be seen for an easy example despite all manner of denials: Climate change: US emissions in 2020 in biggest fall since WWII wrote: US greenhouse gas emissions tumbled below their 1990 level for the first-time last year as a result of the response to the coronavirus pandemic. Sadly, for both human life as well as the world environment, we are breaking various other records since WWII... However, we can turn all this silliness around... How? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
How is that so when we have renewables that are lower cost than dirty old coal pollution?!...What's the cost of coal when average income in Africa is 1/10th, if that, of ours. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30974 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Central Spain records temperatures of -25C after snowstormSnowball earth? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Central Spain records temperatures of -25C after snowstormSnowball earth? If we tip the jet stream and push the atmospheric circulation cells too far... Yes. The present example in Spain nicely shows how the feedback effects work. Likely the only thing holding the Snowball Earth effect back for the moment is the inertia of the ocean circulation streams... However, we are already seeing a slow down of the Gulf stream in the Atlantic... How can we all be so crazy? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30974 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You just said AGW causes snowball earth. So when is the Mediterranean going to ice over?Central Spain records temperatures of -25C after snowstormSnowball earth? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I think too many people have "The Day After Tomorrow" as their No 1 source for climate change. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
You just said AGW causes snowball earth. So when is the Mediterranean going to ice over?Central Spain records temperatures of -25C after snowstormSnowball earth? I've seen it happen a few times ;-) Quite a sudden and a surprising tip-over gets pushed into a new long term 'normal'... Unless we change our course on pollution, we'll see too much ice too soon for mankind to abandon this planet alive... (Although Elon Musk is trying very hard and fast to dodge that...) All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I think too many people have "The Day After Tomorrow" as their No 1 source for climate change. Instead, see a real world example that happened recently. This example just happened to push over into the USA rather than Europe: {2015} ... about the cold winter in eastern North America + Update wrote: The past winter was globally the warmest on record. At the same time it set a new cold record in the subpolar North Atlantic – and it was very cold in the eastern parts of North America. Are these things related?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is this where Gary Larson in his The Far Side cartoons has the last laugh upon us all? See a beautifully presented: Why THE FAR SIDE is a masterclass What do you think? Was Homer Simpson right? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
As can be expensively expected for this old heavyweight technology: Hinkley Point C nuclear plant to open later at greater cost wrote: ... The plant is due to open in June 2026 and not in 2025 as planned and will cost between £22bn and £23bn. What cost to the environment is that £23,000 Million? What additional cost will there be for the inevitably long protracted expensive decommissioning? And yet we will see no useful output until after 2026... Another 5 years or more yet. Meanwhile instead, for a more immediately useful and clean return of investing that £23,000 Million:
See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
So it would appear that French President Emmanuel Macron has not only failed in his response to Covid-19 see; https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85636&postid=2067497#2067497 he has also failed to honour his climate commitments. Court convicts French state for failure to address climate crisis A Paris court has convicted the French state of failing to address the climate crisis and not keeping its promises to tackle greenhouse gas emissions. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Double standards? No worries, it's just a local planning matter. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Double standards? The question is "Does the UK and Europe want to continue producing steel?" If so "Does it want to use locally produced coking coal or import the coal from some distant shore, with the additional pollution of transporting it?" Or do we totally export the pollution to other countries and import the steel and subsequently, rather hypocritically, congratulate ourselves on how wonderfully free at reducing our carbon footprint |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Double standards? There are other greener cleaner methods to produce steel rather than the old 300-years-old dirty tech of using coke. Much cleaner is to use electric arc furnaces or clean(ed) gas. However, out with the old means investment for in with new with the more efficient and cleaner. Meanwhile, who pays for the continuing pollution? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19361 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Steel is iron with added carbon. You still have to add carbon in the form of coal or coke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc_furnace#Operation, para 5. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21100 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Steel is iron with added carbon. Indeed so, but in vastly less quantity and greatly less pollution than using coke also as the fuel... The only way for the new coal mine to be viable is to burn the vastly greater quantities needed for keeping the dirty antique furnaces burning. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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