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Message 1997078 - Posted: 6 Jun 2019, 19:28:44 UTC

Yep, plenty of evidence around here.
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Message 1997082 - Posted: 6 Jun 2019, 19:57:44 UTC - in response to Message 1997027.  

Notice how the lame stream media has lost interest in the story.

You mean the story; "Corrupt politicians enrich themselves with emoluments!"

You are right Breitbart and Fox aren't covering it.
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Message 1997107 - Posted: 7 Jun 2019, 0:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1997027.  
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....and The People of Venezuela are still starving in the dark. Credit to the Trump administration for halting cruise ship visits to Cuba. No longer adding to Castro's 100 million dollar fortune and financing the thugs protecting Maduro.

Notice how the lame stream media has lost interest in the story.

Dear JE...

Both sides fail to mention what doesn't fit their narrative.

CNN and the amount of Illegal Immigration is but one example.

Although the NY Times did in March:

The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly double what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration’s aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.

More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year high and a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.

“The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

If one wishes to be truly informed of both sides "facts". I would strongly suggest watching and/or going on the web site of both FOX and CNN. Where they both emphasis some issues and ignore other issues depending upon their ideology and quest for capitalist profits.

I wouldn't accept the ignorant world of those who totally dismiss either FOX or CNN. Both sides are necessary to form an intelligent and knowledgeable opinion regarding the issues of the day.
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Message 1997127 - Posted: 7 Jun 2019, 3:57:27 UTC

When viewing or reading 'news' from ANY source my first thought is always 'what is the author/commentator/source's actual motive'? It' s usually quickly apparent.

The old adage of 'always question authority' is true but needs expansion to always question motive. Both sides are guilty of hyperbole and overstatement, and I no longer believe ANY source is truly neutral anymore(or perhaps never was). It's just more blatant today.

We have a local NBC anchor here that claims to be open to all sides of a discussion but in truth betrays himself with vocal tones and innuendo when presenting something he doesn't agree with, which is usually a Conservative view.

A little lightweight humor.........


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Message 1997179 - Posted: 7 Jun 2019, 12:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 1997127.  
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...We have a local NBC anchor here that claims to be open to all sides of a discussion but in truth betrays himself with vocal tones and innuendo when presenting something he doesn't agree with, which is usually a Conservative view.


Broadly published or disseminated news by nature has always tended to be conservative (little 'c' to big 'C') simply because those who pay for the papers (even without revenue from advertising of products) have either power or funds.

Let's not forget that 'conservative' can and does include the powerful or financed left wing as much as it does the right wing.

There are subtle tones in news but there is also what is called 'the hammer effect' where some news becomes important or accepted as true just by sheer volume.

No doubt news reporters and their media agencies are trained in the various arts of psychology and sociological presentation.

There was something in one of Shakespeare's plays where a character remarks upon another character saying: 'he is a good man - he is a very good man - such a good man' (or something like that.) Basically in the end we know he is overstating and telling us he is thought of as "not such a good man"...

No different to elections where backdrops to TV news are set with a colour or scene that suggests a particular political party. (Blue is often right wing I suspect.)

If I remember right here in the UK there was a TV election news presenter that was removed because he wore a tie that could be associated with a particular party?

Some of it is subtle, some blatant, some stupid and I guess some just misplaced.

Even adverts in old Victorian newspapers (UK) for things like soap often had political and cultural ideology embedded. (At that time mostly imperialistic.)
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Message 1997256 - Posted: 7 Jun 2019, 22:10:42 UTC

Your local NBC station fawned over Trump's visit to the Air Academy, so give us a break.
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Message 1997261 - Posted: 7 Jun 2019, 22:26:14 UTC

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Message 1997405 - Posted: 8 Jun 2019, 14:16:27 UTC - in response to Message 1997261.  

Understand why everything on media is slanted
https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/youtube-facebook-hate-speech-regulation-how.html

Although I am disgusted with the negative/hate speech against Whites, Blacks, Males, Females, Straight, Gay, Christian's, Jew's, Muslim's, Atheist's, et al infecting Social Media.

If one does not wish for Trump types buying Facebook and having the authority to define what hate speech and censor your speech. Remember:

Be very cautions in accepting and/or giving any authority to your friends that you wouldn't wish your enemy's to have.
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Message 1997416 - Posted: 8 Jun 2019, 14:59:42 UTC - in response to Message 1997405.  

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Message 1997451 - Posted: 8 Jun 2019, 19:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 1997405.  

If one does not wish for Trump types buying Facebook and having the authority to define what hate speech and censor your speech.

Like Hobby Lobby, Masterpiece Cakeshop, North Memorial Health Care or Catholic Hospitals. It isn't that the owner can chose who to be his customer, it is a monopoly can chose who can be their customer.

As to this ban on hate speech, AFIK incitement to riot isn't governmentally protected speech. AFIK "fighting words" are not governmentally protected speech. AFIK speech that "causes a panic" isn't governmentally protected speech.

If you can't find a way to express yourself without going to such extremes, then perhaps what you are peddling comes from the bottom of the fetid garbage pile.
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Message 1997504 - Posted: 9 Jun 2019, 0:36:04 UTC - in response to Message 1997416.  

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller

So much truth there.

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Message 1997548 - Posted: 9 Jun 2019, 13:17:32 UTC - in response to Message 1997451.  
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If one does not wish for Trump types buying Facebook and having the authority to define what hate speech and censor your speech.

Like Hobby Lobby, Masterpiece Cakeshop, North Memorial Health Care or Catholic Hospitals. It isn't that the owner can chose who to be his customer, it is a monopoly can chose who can be their customer.

As to this ban on hate speech, AFIK incitement to riot isn't governmentally protected speech. AFIK "fighting words" are not governmentally protected speech. AFIK speech that "causes a panic" isn't governmentally protected speech.

If you can't find a way to express yourself without going to such extremes, then perhaps what you are peddling comes from the bottom of the fetid garbage pile.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Sorry Gary,

Your belief that my statement regarding protecting your speech is "extreme" and it comes from "the bottom of the fetid garbage pile".

Is very "interesting".
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Message 1997553 - Posted: 9 Jun 2019, 14:00:57 UTC - in response to Message 1997552.  

Dear Gary, you quoted this part of my post:

If one does not wish for Trump types buying Facebook and having the authority to define what hate speech and censor your speech.

Then you said that my above statement is "extreme" and it comes from "the bottom of the fetid garbage pile".

Please explain why protecting your speech is "extreme" and comes from "the bottom of the fetid garbage pile".

Sincerely, Clyde "Liberal"
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Message 1998599 - Posted: 17 Jun 2019, 21:28:52 UTC

Denver Councilwoman Promises To Force Socialism ‘By Any Means Necessary’

https://lidblog.com/force-socialism/

CdeBaca’s “by any means necessary” comment is exactly what comes with socialism. When the socialists take over, they eventually find out that their policies are failing. Instead of realizing their system is inherently wrong, the socialists begin to use any means necessary—that translates into murder. During the 20th-century socialist governments murdered at least 94 million people to keep them in line when the socialist policies failed.


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Message 1998602 - Posted: 17 Jun 2019, 21:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 1998599.  

Denver Councilwoman Promises To Force Socialism ‘By Any Means Necessary’

https://lidblog.com/force-socialism/

CdeBaca’s “by any means necessary” comment is exactly what comes with socialism. When the socialists take over, they eventually find out that their policies are failing. Instead of realizing their system is inherently wrong, the socialists begin to use any means necessary—that translates into murder. During the 20th-century socialist governments murdered at least 94 million people to keep them in line when the socialist policies failed.

The Pro Socialist will always deny that their belief in a Centralized Ruling Class of them. Controlling not only Government, but confiscating private property and then controlling the Means of Production.

Has always and will always destroy the people and the economy.

Doesn't matter what name they call it. Be it Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, et al. Their belief always leads to the same destruction.
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Message 1999060 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 17:32:33 UTC

I found this youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ipRaLa4Jw of our professor lecturing about socialism & again he contradicts himself.
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Message 1999073 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 19:28:08 UTC - in response to Message 1999060.  

I found this youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ipRaLa4Jw of our professor lecturing about socialism & again he contradicts himself.

As commented and referencing this Topic:

1984: What we fear, be it Communism, Socialism, et al will destroy us.
Brave New World: What we love, be it Communism, Socialism, et al will destroy us.

This also applies to other secular ideologies and religion's, where their supporter's believe in their Right to Control the people.
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Message 1999075 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 19:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 1999073.  

This also applies to other secular ideologies and religion's, where their supporter's believe in their Right to Control the people.

Yep. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. No reason to control the people.
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Message 1999076 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 19:47:58 UTC - in response to Message 1999075.  
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This also applies to other secular ideologies and religion's, where their supporter's believe in their Right to Control the people.

Yep. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. No reason to control the people.

Dear Gary,

Referencing this Socialist Topic and not "Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness." Again, in an attempt to return to this Topic:

The Pro Socialist will always deny that their belief in a Centralized Ruling Class of them. Controlling not only Government, but confiscating private property and then controlling the Means of Production.

Has always and will always destroy the people and the economy.

Doesn't matter what name they call it. Be it Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, et al. Their belief always leads to the same destruction.
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Message 1999080 - Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 21:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1999076.  

This also applies to other secular ideologies and religion's, where their supporter's believe in their Right to Control the people.

Yep. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. No reason to control the people.

Dear Gary,

Dear Clyde. What is government/religion? Control of the people.

So sad you don't understand what you post.
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