I apologize for the smart ass comments on this poster, but it does explain why the Electoral College is necessary. It's more a matter of Geography rather than Population. Policies that work and are acceptable in New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles do not work and are not acceptable to the residents of Baggs Wyoming. Why should those in the less populous but vast majority of the land mass have their voices overruled by the urban centers?

The point being the President elected must be acceptable to the majority of all the cultures making up America. Rural, Urban, Ethnic, Religious and I've probably left out a few groups, should be in consensus agreement with the elected candidate and ACCEPT THE VOTE, without childish tantrums and resistance to everything just because their candidate did not win.

The rules have been around for over 200 years, those who understand know that by winning at the COUNTY level in the majority of States, you win the election. It's that simple.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Love that, "without the electoral college 4 states would have 1/3 the voting power in the USA." Must be some reason those states are so popular. Must be some reason the other 46 states are not popular. Hawaii and Rhode Island perhaps excepted due to their land area.
However if you want to do this electoral college on land area, then Alaska would have more than 1/2 the voting power.

The framers goofed. The provision for the electoral college was perhaps needed when the country was small. Now that it has grown, it is no longer needed and indeed is acting as a throwback. They should have tossed it when the country grew to double its original size say 26 states. The continent wasn't mapped then and I don't think they had any idea how large the country would become or what that would mean for the voting scheme they came up with. They were good a forecasting a lot, but this is one they missed.

"without the electoral college 4 states would have 1/3 the voting power in the USA."
Those 4 states have nearly 1/3 of the electoral college votes.

It only needs a 0.6% swing in Florida and a 2½% swing in Texas and all those electoral college votes will go to the Dems. If it was proportional then in 2020 Trump, I assume, would get a share of them.

"without the electoral college 4 states would have 1/3 the voting power in the USA."
Those 4 states have nearly 1/3 of the electoral college votes.

It only needs a 0.6% swing in Florida and a 2½% swing in Texas and all those electoral college votes will go to the Dems. If it was proportional then in 2020 Trump, I assume, would get a share of them.

If they don't want their states swinging, maybe they should work harder to avoid recessions. 2008-2009, mass relocations? Previous purple people given a chance in another state, run into a bunch of other purples, start becoming bluer.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

OK, life isn't fair! If I'm right, how does that stack up against the intentions of our Constitution's framers??

Sarge it sucks.

https://www.270towin.com/news/2017/01/24/if-electoral-votes-were-weighted-by-state-population-alone-trump-303-clinton-235_442.html#.XJgMQyJKgdU

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Conversely perhaps a new system where by every Senator and Congressperson must be elected by the popular majority vote of EVERY US voter no matter where they live. Now that would be a 'one person, one vote' system I could get behind.

There is a better system than plurality voting, rank choice voting; which frees people to choose who they really want and putting their 'lesser evil' choices in rank order below the first choice. I would prefer a multi-party parliamentary system; but that's never going to happen in the US. Rank choice voting on all elections would likely open things up from the current 2 party, entrenched and increasingly violently tribal, duopoly.

Maine's attempting it:
https://www.electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/maines-ranked-choice-voting-its-not-plurality/

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should be in consensus agreement with the elected candidate and ACCEPT THE VOTE, without childish tantrums and resistance to everything just because their candidate did not win.

That's a mischaracterization of what happened.

He's was in violation of both the emollients clauses before he took the oath.
Foreign powers are booking his hotel rooms for millions a month who never had interest to do so before 2016
Pre-oath, he demonstrated mental deficits that should have prevented him from holding the office.
He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the job and past members of his cabinet have stated this.

I never threw a tantrum and called for Bush's impeachment, no matter how much I hated some of his actions.
I certainly never thought Clinton should have been impeached.

This president; he fits the circumstances for impeachment and for the 25th amendment's compromised ability clause.

If anything comes out of this presidency: I hope there will be a mental heath board of 9 doctors that will be capable of screening any future president monthly and be able to implement the 25th amendment if signs of dementia or other mental incapacitation are present.

The nuclear arsenal shouldn't have been in the hands of Reagan in his last months and they shouldn't be in this man's hands now.

(I'm off topic now. That post was not really about socialism at all.)

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I LOVE dA OPINIONs of HATERs

.....no matter how much I hated .....

CLYDENOTCLYDE GOTs His SHAT Together on This One:

Was the fake “Russia Dossier” used to get the ball rolling? There is evidence to suggest it.

There needs to be a new probe to determine whether members of the United States intelligence services, DOJ and FBI took part in an effort to elect their candidate and later to compromise a duly elected president of the United States.

Democrats and the Never Trump media will show little interest in such an investigation but that is of no matter. History will outlive the Never Trump activists on CNN, MSNBC, et al and it is our responsibility to shed light on the motives behind the possible machinations to undermine a duly elected president.

RUBEWorld LOVEs HATERs and LOVEs REASON

dA BLACK HOLE of OH and ONE BEAUTIFUL ORANGE YAPe

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Again.........the same old Dim exercise regimen.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Understanding the non acceptance of the Mueller Investigation summery by some posters and their need to commandeer other Topics by venting.

Back to the Topic?

My post was about Trump's inability to do the job and his violations of the Emoluments clause of the Constitution. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-emoluments-clause-lawsuit-summoned-2018-3

Absolutely nothing to do with the Mueller investigations and grounds for impeachment that have nothing to do with supposed Russian influence of the election.
Trump receiving Russia oligarch money funneled through Deutsche bank in operation Global Laundromat would have happened in 2010 to 2014 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-that-lent-300m-to-trump-linked-to-russian-money-laundering-scam.

The Russian supposed collusion is the least of his problems.

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Again.........the same old Dim exercise regimen.

Which Democrat are you referring to?

Hope you weren't referring to me. I'm not a Democrat.

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Pre-oath, he demonstrated mental deficits that should have prevented him from holding the office.
He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the job and past members of his cabinet have stated this.

....and you are a trained Psychologist who has personally examined the subject and are qualified to make the diagnosis?

Lots of absolutes there my friend.

And no I was not referring to you as a Democrat, what would a trained Psychologist have to say about that assumption on your part?

Sorry for the off topic but I couldn't let the 'diagnosis' pass without question.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

who has personally examined the subject and are qualified to make the diagnosis?

I was referring to the various psychiatrists and psychologists who have called him unfit.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/psychiatrists-debate-weighing-in-on-trumps-mental-health/

Duty to Warn psychiatrists action.
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/1/duty_to_warn_psychiatrists_and_mental

Yale conference discussing Trump's dangerous mental illness, Duty to Warn presentation.
"Chairing the event, Dr Bandy Lee, assistant clinical professor in the Yale Department of Psychiatry, said: “As some prominent psychiatrists have noted, [Trump’s mental health] is the elephant in the room. I think the public is really starting to catch on and widely talk about this now.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html

There is a list of many Republicans, intelligence offciers and world leaders that consider Trump unfit for office.
https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/09/trump-time-capsule-109-unqualified-and-unfit/501080/

Rosenstien had 2 votes for 25th amendment removal of Trump.

This should be moved to the Trump thread but I'm not going to let you discount the views I expressed without a retort.

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And ALL of those learned persons have personally diagnosed him?

More Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The problem with most psychoanalysts is they never look in the mirror...........

Again, 'the map is not the territory'.

Good post I agree.

Of course you do Byron.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

And ALL of those learned persons have personally diagnosed him?

Do you know if his symptoms are so significant and obvious that is even required?

And ALL of those learned persons have personally diagnosed him?

More Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The problem with most psychoanalysts is they never look in the mirror...........

Again, 'the map is not the territory'.

Good post I agree.

Of course you do Byron.

Dear JE...

Guessing we will continue to endure the machinations of those afflicted by TDS in the media.

Trump didn't win the election.

Mueller and Barr are covering up the collusion.

The Earth is Flat.

It we click our heels together we can repeal the law of gravity.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

"Out of every hundred new ideas ninety-nine or more will probably be inferior to the traditional responses which they propose to replace. No one man, however brilliant or well-informed, can come in one lifetime to such fullness of understanding as to safely judge and dismiss the customs or institutions of his society, for those are the wisdom of generations after centuries of experiment in the laboratory of history." — Will And Ariel Durant

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

"Out of every hundred new ideas ninety-nine or more will probably be inferior to the traditional responses which they propose to replace. No one man, however brilliant or well-informed, can come in one lifetime to such fullness of understanding as to safely judge and dismiss the customs or institutions of his society, for those are the wisdom of generations after centuries of experiment in the laboratory of history." — Will And Ariel Durant

Therefore we should not have new ideas?

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"Out of every hundred new ideas ninety-nine or more will probably be inferior to the traditional responses which they propose to replace. No one man, however brilliant or well-informed, can come in one lifetime to such fullness of understanding as to safely judge and dismiss the customs or institutions of his society, for those are the wisdom of generations after centuries of experiment in the laboratory of history." — Will And Ariel Durant

Therefore we should not have new ideas?

That's a conservative mind!

Yep

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