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Message 1980796 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 4:17:14 UTC - in response to Message 1980789.  

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Yes, Socialist beliefs have again destroyed people's future.
If Amazon is the people's future that's a pretty dismal future if you work for a living.
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Message 1980799 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 4:56:37 UTC - in response to Message 1980796.  
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@ Clyde
Yes, Socialist beliefs have again destroyed people's future.
If Amazon is the people's future that's a pretty dismal future if you work for a living.

Before the people and economy destroying Socialists stopped Amazon from opening a second Headquarters in New York City:

...Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo gathered with other city and state officials to gleefully announce that they had sealed the deal, which includes just shy of $3 billion in subsidies.

According to the state {New York State} , Amazon will generate $27.5 billion in state and city revenue over 25 years, a 9:1 ratio of revenue to subsidies—an arrangement Cuomo called “the highest rate of return for an economic incentive program the state has ever offered.” This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.

In order to fund local infrastructure—streets, sidewalks, open space and the like—Amazon will utilize the city’s PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) program, estimated by Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen at $600 to $650 million over four decades; the specifics of how those funds will be allocated will be decided upon via community engagement.

Amazon has also agreed to allocate $5 million for workforce development and to host job training sessions and job fairs at the nearby Queensbridge Houses, although no hiring guarantees were made in the memorandum. Amazon will also build a new school with as many as 600 seats on its campus, along with a “tech startup incubator.”

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/18098589/amazon-hq2-nyc-queens-long-island-city-explained

Yes, up to 40,000 new jobs with an average income of $150,000!!!

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Message 1980813 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 8:42:42 UTC

Amazon pulling out of New York is not a loss for the area.
The corporate leech pays nothing into the local economy by way of property taxes or income taxes.
They pay nothing toward supporting hospitals, education, policing or fire protection.
They do not contribute to building and maintaining roads.
They are users. They are parasites. They are a blight and a pox on working people.
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Message 1980814 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 8:55:59 UTC - in response to Message 1980813.  

Amazon pulling out of New York is not a loss for the area.
The corporate leech pays nothing into the local economy by way of property taxes or income taxes.
They pay nothing toward supporting hospitals, education, policing or fire protection.
They do not contribute to building and maintaining roads.
They are users. They are parasites. They are a blight and a pox on working people.

It doesn't even pay any federal taxes. Amazon Will Pay a Whopping $0 in Federal Taxes on $11.2 Billion Profits
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Message 1980829 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 12:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 1980814.  

Sounds like Facebook's scheme in Luleå, Sweden.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/granskning/ug/facebook-tjanade-miljarder-pa-sverige-ser-till-att-pengar-inte-nar-svenska-skattkassan
Facebook received just over SEK 100 million in grants to place its servers on Swedish soil. A "strategically important" business, the government said, which also pushed through a reduction in energy tax for server halls. Now documents from the Paradis leak
show how Facebook goes about making as little money as possible reach the Swedish treasury.
The company takes the profit and the taxpayers the losses.
Business as usual!
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Message 1980833 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 13:47:46 UTC - in response to Message 1980813.  
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Amazon pulling out of New York is not a loss for the area.
The corporate leech pays nothing into the local economy by way of property taxes or income taxes.
They pay nothing toward supporting hospitals, education, policing or fire protection.
They do not contribute to building and maintaining roads.
They are users. They are parasites. They are a blight and a pox on working people.

Repeating:

...Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo gathered with other city and state officials to gleefully announce that they had sealed the deal, which includes just shy of $3 billion in subsidies.

According to the state {New York State} , Amazon will generate $27.5 billion in state and city revenue over 25 years, a 9:1 ratio of revenue to subsidies—an arrangement Cuomo called “the highest rate of return for an economic incentive program the state has ever offered.” This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.

In order to fund local infrastructure—streets, sidewalks, open space and the like—Amazon will utilize the city’s PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) program, estimated by Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen at $600 to $650 million over four decades; the specifics of how those funds will be allocated will be decided upon via community engagement.

Amazon has also agreed to allocate $5 million for workforce development and to host job training sessions and job fairs at the nearby Queensbridge Houses, although no hiring guarantees were made in the memorandum. Amazon will also build a new school with as many as 600 seats on its campus, along with a “tech startup incubator.”

It is the Socialist's and the Radical Left's answer to the many, many problems of Capitalism. That has always and will always destroy the people and the economy.

The Socialist's and the Radical Left are also the users. They are also the parasites. They are also a blight and a pox on working people.
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Message 1980843 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 15:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 1980799.  

Yes, up to 40,000 new jobs with an average income of $150,000!!!
Bullsh*t!
Maybe for the admin/honchos.
Most of the other employees are agency workers (if the UK arm is anything to go by).
The conditions for working at Amazon are worse than the old Victorian workhouse days.
While experiencing issues with the system, ATOS created many more & seeing the writing on the wall, looked to getting back to work.
Worked a week. Once on site you were expected to do overtime & in the agency agreement, there was a clause about that. Compulsory overtime? When I queried that, I was let go.
Constantly monitored for speed, toilet breaks. Your legal breaks had to include time to leave & get back to your work position.
Fair enough I took home just under £700, however would much prefer being on the road. Want a P break, easy, stop. Want to stop & grab a bite to eat, easy, park up.
Economy destroying socialism? Unbridled capitalism is just as bad.
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Message 1980846 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 15:46:31 UTC - in response to Message 1980799.  

The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.
The Amazon company is NOT a charity organisation.
They will NEVER locate its business to places where they don't get tax reductions.
And with the HELP of local politicians!
Yes, the construction phase will bring jobs for a year or two, but then what?
Amazon is NOT a labor intensive company...
Like Facebook!
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Message 1980847 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 15:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 1980843.  
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Yes, up to 40,000 new jobs with an average income of $150,000!!!
Bullsh*t!
Maybe for the admin/honchos.
Most of the other employees are agency workers (if the UK arm is anything to go by).
The conditions for working at Amazon are worse than the old Victorian workhouse days.
While experiencing issues with the system, ATOS created many more & seeing the writing on the wall, looked to getting back to work.
Worked a week. Once on site you were expected to do overtime & in the agency agreement, there was a clause about that. Compulsory overtime? When I queried that, I was let go.
Constantly monitored for speed, toilet breaks. Your legal breaks had to include time to leave & get back to your work position.
Fair enough I took home just under £700, however would much prefer being on the road. Want a P break, easy, stop. Want to stop & grab a bite to eat, easy, park up.
Economy destroying socialism? Unbridled capitalism is just as bad.

"This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs."

Guessing you are accusing the Never Trump Democrat NY State Governor and NY City Mayor of speaking "Bullsh*t!"

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha.

However, we both agree about unbridled Capitalism and Socialism as both being evils.
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Message 1980849 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 15:58:13 UTC - in response to Message 1980847.  

There is one thing worse than a politician/bureaucrat/BHL & that is an individual who used capitalism to feather their own nest, retire, get bored with retirement & spew bovine excrement.

Regarding Amazon - Changed your tune about "Workers of the World Unite"?
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Message 1980852 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 1980843.  
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Constantly monitored for speed, toilet breaks.

How about this then, With fitness trackers in the workplace, bosses can monitor your every step — and possibly more, how soon before Amazon introduces this, if they haven't done so already.

Except it will probably be more like this, Inside Ocado's burning robotic warehouse, without the burning.
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Message 1980853 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:11:13 UTC - in response to Message 1980849.  
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There is one thing worse than a politician/bureaucrat/BHL & that is an individual who used capitalism to feather their own nest, retire, get bored with retirement & spew bovine excrement.

Regarding Amazon - Changed your tune about "Workers of the World Unite"?

Understanding that the Socialist's again destroyed the future of workers. In this case possibly 107,000 new jobs, with 40,000 of them having a mean income of $150,000.

Critical thinking and non-ideological persons understand that at this time. Capitalism is the only economic system which produces real wealth that can be taxed.

It was the worker's non-governmental Unions in the West which helped their workers and 'influenced' elected Officials.

Wishing that the workers of the world Globally Unite against our new Global Capitalism, as the West's Workers did in their Country and Region.

Does not mean, and has never meant, adopting a belief in people and economy destroying Socialism.
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Message 1980854 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:26:56 UTC - in response to Message 1980852.  

Constantly monitored for speed, toilet breaks.

How about this then, With fitness trackers in the workplace, bosses can monitor your every step — and possibly more, how soon before Amazon introduces this, if they haven't done so already.

Except it will probably be more like this, Inside Ocado's burning robotic warehouse, without the burning.

er, https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Amazon-Warehouse-Robbinsville-Sickened-Workers-501976671.html
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Message 1980857 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:35:49 UTC - in response to Message 1980852.  

Except it will probably be more like this, Inside Ocado's burning robotic warehouse, without the burning.
I spoke to a contact at Ocado who expressed shock at how the fire had spread so fast.
Hmm, where have we heard that before?
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Message 1980858 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:38:28 UTC - in response to Message 1980854.  

Constantly monitored for speed, toilet breaks.

How about this then, With fitness trackers in the workplace, bosses can monitor your every step — and possibly more, how soon before Amazon introduces this, if they haven't done so already.

Except it will probably be more like this, Inside Ocado's burning robotic warehouse, without the burning.

er, https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Amazon-Warehouse-Robbinsville-Sickened-Workers-501976671.html

Still doesn't absolve the Socialists from again destroying the future of workers. In the NYC case, possibly 107,000 new jobs, with 40,000 of them having a mean income of $150,000.

Since anyone who understands human history understands "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Adding to Government Authority's the power to control the Means of Production. Has always, and will always, destroy the people and the economy.
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Message 1980859 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 1980858.  

Still doesn't absolve the Socialists from again destroying the future of workers. In the NYC case, possibly 107,000 new jobs, with 40,000 of them having a mean income of $150,000.
& the income of the other 67,000 is what?
What positions would the 40,000 hold to earn that income?
Anyone can use numbers to make a point Clyde, but blindly using them is a fools game.
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Message 1980861 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:42:36 UTC - in response to Message 1980859.  
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Still doesn't absolve the Socialists from again destroying the future of workers. In the NYC case, possibly 107,000 new jobs, with 40,000 of them having a mean income of $150,000.
& the income of the other 67,000 is what?
What positions would the 40,000 hold to earn that income?
Anyone can use numbers to make a point Clyde, but blindly using them is a fools game.

"This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs."

Guessing you are accusing the Never Trump Democrat NY State Governor and NY City Mayor of believing "Bullsh*t!"

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha.
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Message 1980864 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 1980863.  

You should hold a "Doctorate" for continuously ducking valid questions. :-)

In response to:

"This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs."

Guessing you are accusing the Never Trump Democrat NY State Governor and NY City Mayor of believing "Bullsh*t!"

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha.

Dear Sirius B,

Please explain why you believe the Never Trump Democrat NY State Governor and NY City Mayor are lying.
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Message 1980865 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:47:19 UTC - in response to Message 1980862.  

Nice meme. Now confirm or deny that she did that because she held a grudge.
You cannot. :-)
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Message 1980866 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 16:49:33 UTC

Dear Sirius B,

Still awaiting your response to:

Please explain why you believe the Never Trump Democrat NY State Governor and NY City Mayor are lying.

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