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Message 2034557 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 8:41:07 UTC - in response to Message 2034542.  

Noting this limitation appears to be specifically for Windows versions then what about Linux version code?
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I'm not seeing anything specific to any operating system. The code applies to every host contacting the scheduler as far as I can tell.
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Message 2034562 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 8:57:06 UTC

This is in the server code and as far as we are concerned is operating system independent, but a hard limit we, as users, can't get round.
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Message 2034571 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 9:33:41 UTC - in response to Message 2034562.  

but a hard limit we, as users, can't get round.

Don`t be so sure about that,
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Message 2034572 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 9:52:08 UTC

Look again at the code snippet which started this hare running:

const int MAX_NCPUS = 64;
    // max multiplier for daily_result_quota.
    // need to change as multicore processors expand
Used for daily_result_quota - nothing to do with 'in progress' limits. There's more:

int _max_results_day;
// MRD is dynamically adjusted to limit work sent to bad hosts.
// The maximum # of results sent per day is
// max_results_day * (NCPUS + NCUDA * cuda_multiplier).
// 0 means uninitialized; set to config.daily_result_quota
// -1 means this host is blacklisted - don't return results
// or accept results or trickles; just send it an error message
// Otherwise it lies in the range 0 .. config.daily_result_quota
// DEPRECATED: only use is -1 means host is blacklisted
(from https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/db/boinc_db_types.h#L347)
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Message 2034573 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 9:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 2034562.  

but a hard limit we, as users, can't get round.
Run multiple clients.
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Message 2034607 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 16:28:42 UTC - in response to Message 2034572.  

int MAX_NCPUS

// DEPRECATED: only use is -1 means host is blacklisted

Which as we know . . . . <sarcasm_hat_on>works so well</sarcasm_hat_off>

Interested in the variable name as it is assumed it is also used to limit max tasks in progress per device. But I haven't found it elsewhere in the server code.
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Message 2034612 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 16:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 2034607.  

int MAX_NCPUS

// DEPRECATED: only use is -1 means host is blacklisted
Which as we know . . . . <sarcasm_hat_on>works so well</sarcasm_hat_off>
The -1 value isn't generated automatically - it has to be set manually by staff. It's been used (in the past) by projects like CPDN, where the months-long tasks are worth protecting against rogue hosts.
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Message 2034616 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 16:53:51 UTC - in response to Message 2034612.  

int MAX_NCPUS

// DEPRECATED: only use is -1 means host is blacklisted
Which as we know . . . . <sarcasm_hat_on>works so well</sarcasm_hat_off>
The -1 value isn't generated automatically - it has to be set manually by staff. It's been used (in the past) by projects like CPDN, where the months-long tasks are worth protecting against rogue hosts.

Oh. . . . I was under the impression that was the mechanism to restrict sending work to bad hosts that can't return valid work ever and was automatic (supposedly).
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Message 2034621 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 17:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 2034616.  

No, it's set manually in the BOINC database.
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Message 2034625 - Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 17:09:55 UTC - in response to Message 2034616.  

Oh. . . . I was under the impression that was the mechanism to restrict sending work to bad hosts that can't return valid work ever and was automatic (supposedly).
There is such a mechanism - badly implemented - but this isn't it.
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Message 2034736 - Posted: 1 Mar 2020, 1:03:22 UTC

Tom's Hardware redid the SPEC3 Workstation benchmarks with the new version of the benchmark that properly spans the two processor groups that the Windows OS breaks the processor into. Now the processor is showing the expected scaling when it can use all 128 threads across all the tests of the new benchmark.
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd_threadripper_3990x-spec-workstation_3-performance-update
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Message 2036461 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 6:57:35 UTC - in response to Message 2034736.  

Phew! That was close. I was placing my order for a 3990X bundle when the news came through that Seti@home was 'hibernating'. Having quickly checked that the date wasn't April 1st, I cancelled and am some £5000 better off.
I hope work will be available up to the end of the month as I am close to the top 1000 personally and my team to the top 500 and I would like to achieve those targets.
Its a shame really because the AMD push for ever more threads is a catalyst for high end arithmetical crunching.
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Message 2036594 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 22:29:51 UTC - in response to Message 2036461.  
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Phew! That was close. I was placing my order for a 3990X bundle when the news came through that Seti@home was 'hibernating'. Having quickly checked that the date wasn't April 1st, I cancelled and am some £5000 better off.
I hope work will be available up to the end of the month as I am close to the top 1000 personally and my team to the top 500 and I would like to achieve those targets.
Its a shame really because the AMD push for ever more threads is a catalyst for high end arithmetical crunching.
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I can tell a Seti@Home core junky when I see one ;)

I am very pleased with the AMD 3900x I had and with the 3950x upgrade I am running now. The thread count takes me back up into the server class count where I first experienced it but with significantly faster and more efficient processing. And it didn't cost as much as my Threadripper2 did.

And they help with my "core junky" fix.

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Message 2037243 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 4:35:31 UTC

Apparently things were a little slow. So I got a notice (aka commercial) on my Feed about a "huge" reduction in AMD 3900x prices.... in the small print, it came in a decrease in $30-$40 USD. I agree that is a decrease.

But come on now "Huge"?

I don't think so.

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Message 2037244 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 4:38:32 UTC - in response to Message 2036461.  

Phew! That was close. I was placing my order for a 3990X bundle when the news came through that Seti@home was 'hibernating'. Having quickly checked that the date wasn't April 1st, I cancelled and am some £5000 better off.
I hope work will be available up to the end of the month as I am close to the top 1000 personally and my team to the top 500 and I would like to achieve those targets.
Its a shame really because the AMD push for ever more threads is a catalyst for high end arithmetical crunching.
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Now you can join the I run nearly all gpu club..... you have all that money left over burning an asteroid in your pocket... So buy a raft RTX 2060 Supers and go crazy.

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Message 2037252 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 6:35:46 UTC

Nothing beats the power savings of just running a host with a lot of cpu threads and some dinky graphics card to display the desktop. The power vultures are the gpus.
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Message 2037255 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 7:11:02 UTC - in response to Message 2037252.  

Just for fun and with only a few days left I am going to move from the 'sweet spot' of threads on the 2990wx to 100% so that I can enjoy the sight of 64 simultaneous tasks on one cpu.
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Message 2037293 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 14:17:20 UTC - in response to Message 2037255.  

Just for fun and with only a few days left I am going to move from the 'sweet spot' of threads on the 2990wx to 100% so that I can enjoy the sight of 64 simultaneous tasks on one cpu.
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And unless you have a really large monitor, having to scroll up/down to see all those threads.

More thread ripping to you!

You know, if you didn't care about the production you could run all 64 threads all the time ;)

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Message 2037305 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 15:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 2037293.  

And I do have a large monitor but its still two full screens. Fascinating. But 'no tasks available' is the constant message.
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Message 2037377 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 22:38:08 UTC - in response to Message 2037305.  

And I do have a large monitor but its still two full screens. Fascinating. But 'no tasks available' is the constant message.
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Sigh. If you are big into biology that is socially conscious you could try World Community Grid in their "maximum processing" mode. They are also running a Weather forecasting app for farmers in Africa. That takes up to 14 hours on my 3950x so it should keep a 2990wx threadripper busy forever... :)

I know that won't help your lust to see near 64 Seti@Home threads...... but it might make you nostalgic....

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