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Message 2031228 - Posted: 7 Feb 2020, 16:19:48 UTC - in response to Message 2031222.  


Hi Ian,

I did say "at least not that I have seen."

AMD is just trying to do as Intel has done for decades. Overprice their CPUs.

Is the 3175X a 7nm chip?

Have a great day! :)

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how is AMD overpricing their CPUs when they are CHEAPER and perform BETTER than the best Intel can offer? that makes no logical sense.

the 3175X is not a 7nm chip. Intel can't seem to make anything at that process node yet. all of Intel's best offerings are 14nm++++ still. they have some 10nm stuff in the mobile/laptop market, but that's it.

I like Intel products as well, and the only reason I'm still on Intel for my main gaming system is because I was already on the Z370 platform and my 9700k @ 5.0GHz is "good enough" and was purchased before 3rd gen Ryzen was released. Not really worth a whole platform upgrade at the moment. If I was buying a new system now for general use and gaming, I would build out around 3rd gen ryzen. certainly better bang for the buck on a general purpose computer.

but you can't deny that they are getting outclassed by AMD in the CPU market now, both in performance AND price. any claims to the contrary is nothing but blind fanboy-ism.
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Message 2031235 - Posted: 7 Feb 2020, 16:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 2031213.  

$4K for a Threadripper CPU????
Their EPYC Rome is more expensive, at $6,950, but it can do more as well (address up to 2TB of memory across 8 channels, use buffered memory, be used in dual sockets, address 162 PCIe 4.0 lanes, etc,)

Unless you want to wait for the Intel Cooper Lake-AP CPUs, but where the TDP of the EPYC is up to 225W, on the TR up to 280W, bring some beefy icebox for the Intel with its expected TDP of 400W !!!
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Message 2031239 - Posted: 7 Feb 2020, 17:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 2031222.  

Greetings,

$4K for a Threadripper CPU???? Wam, bam, NO thank you ma'am!

I'll stick with Intel. They don't have anything at that price, at least not that I have seen.

Have a great day! :)

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That $4000 Threadripper CPU outperforms 2x $10,000 Intel Xeon CPUs (Xeon Platinum 8180)

Not sure where you get the idea that Intel doesn’t have anything at that price.

The Xeon W-3175X (a $3000 CPU) gets absolutely destroyed by this Threadripper.

The CPU is expensive. But just because you don’t have a use for it, doesn’t mean that others don’t. If you have a need for the power this CPU offers and can deal with the limitations on memory and PCIe lanes, then this is the best bang for buck CPU on the market.

Hi Ian,

I did say "at least not that I have seen."

AMD is just trying to do as Intel has done for decades. Overprice their CPUs.

Is the 3175X a 7nm chip?

Have a great day! :)

Siran


AMD is absolute not doing a intel this is a workstation CPU who is better then 2 platium xeon the best intel has in there inventory. intel did a 10 year 4 core 8 thread party. I am realy sorry but you cant compare AMD to Intel you sound like a intel fanboy ( no disrespect meant)

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Message 2031274 - Posted: 7 Feb 2020, 21:08:14 UTC
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Anandtech review of the 3990X.
One interesting point for TR 3990X systems running Windows- you need to run Win 10 Enterprise to take full advantage of all those cores (and depending on the software the differences can from negligible to massive; see the article for more info). The fact is, if you're all that money for all of those cores and threads, you want to make the maximum possible use of them.






Summary- extremely expensive, but if you have software than can make full use of all those cores & threads it is worth every single cent of the asking price. If time is money, it will pay for itself many times over.
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Message 2031290 - Posted: 7 Feb 2020, 21:53:55 UTC - in response to Message 2031213.  
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Greetings,

$4K for a Threadripper CPU???? Wam, bam, NO thank you ma'am!

I'll stick with Intel. They don't have anything at that price, at least not that I have seen.
They have $20,000+ CPUs

And for reference, 2 quotes from Techspot-
while we very much enjoyed the 6950X, we didn’t actually pay for it. Avoiding the hideous $1,700 price tag made the product a whole lot more enjoyable. For that stunning price, Intel basically tacked on two extra cores from the previous two-year-old 5960X, and jacked up the price by 75%.
The point we're trying to make is, a mere four years ago the best any high-end desktop platform had to offer was a $1,700 10-core processor that ran all cores at 3.4 GHz out of the box. Today AMD is releasing a CPU with over 6 times more cores, though it costs almost 2.5 times more.

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Message 2031332 - Posted: 8 Feb 2020, 1:23:08 UTC - in response to Message 2031213.  

Greetings,

$4K for a Threadripper CPU???? Wam, bam, NO thank you ma'am!

I'll stick with Intel. They don't have anything at that price, at least not that I have seen.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


Of course when you get up into the Server class Intel cpus they only run $10,000 to $25,000 or so.

If I could afford the "middle ground" of 2nd Gen Threadripper there is a real good chance I could run a massive # of gpus on it.

Being semi-retired is the pits. I can't afford my hobbies anymore. :)

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Message 2031423 - Posted: 8 Feb 2020, 15:32:54 UTC - in response to Message 2031332.  
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Being semi-retired is the pits. I can't afford my hobbies anymore. :)
Should we sign you up for one or more of the crowd funding sites? ;-)
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Message 2031438 - Posted: 8 Feb 2020, 16:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 2031423.  

Being semi-retired is the pits. I can't afford my hobbies anymore. :)
Should we sign you up for one or more of the crowd funding sites? ;-)


So what could I offer them? :-) The output of my hobby is "information" that I don't understand :)

And to do the hobby "properly" I need one or more high amp 110 volt AC circuits (and maybe a bigger Main) and 17 more RTX 2060 Supers (assuming the 18 gpu rig actually would work).

At this stage of the game I will continue working at my post-retirement (temporary) job. Keep a close watch on my power bill as I experiment with the (upto) 18 gpu rig. And hope my power bill doesn't out run my ability to pay it.

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Message 2031499 - Posted: 8 Feb 2020, 23:02:08 UTC - in response to Message 2031438.  

Being semi-retired is the pits. I can't afford my hobbies anymore. :)
Should we sign you up for one or more of the crowd funding sites? ;-)
So what could I offer them? :-) The output of my hobby is "information" that I don't understand :)
People have donated money for plenty of much dumber things.
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Message 2031528 - Posted: 9 Feb 2020, 1:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 2031499.  

Being semi-retired is the pits. I can't afford my hobbies anymore. :)
Should we sign you up for one or more of the crowd funding sites? ;-)
So what could I offer them? :-) The output of my hobby is "information" that I don't understand :)
People have donated money for plenty of much dumber things.


I am reviewing the link now. And thinking about how to present it.

Thank you for the idea. Even if it doesn't fly it will entertaining to try to produce something that I could launch a fundraiser on.

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Message 2031529 - Posted: 9 Feb 2020, 1:37:47 UTC

I have my AMD 3950x pretending to be a 4 core/thread Seti@Home CPU with a humongous GPU. I can tell its humongous because it is spiting out a task every minute or less mostly :)

I ran across a very cheap new Amd 2700 so if my current experiment craters all I have to do is buy an MSI Am4 MB (with above 4G settings) and re-deploy the gpus. Then if that works, I can transplant the 3950x and get back to the serious work of running a lot of Seti cpu and gpus tasks.... :) On ONE system.

Its not like the 3950x isn't busy. It is chewing through WCG under "maximum research" setting which means I am getting 4-5 Africa weather predictions tasks (at 14 hours a pop) as well as a bevy of 5 hour tasks (Aids research) and many shorter ones. Pretty good processing for a non-turbo-ed system.

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Message 2031795 - Posted: 10 Feb 2020, 15:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 2031099.  

I'm thinking it's the motherboard as well and I don't like Gigabyte either.
Well yes, pretty sure it's the motherboard. Started the system fresh this weekend, opened Firefox, started a video on YouTube. Within 5 minutes a BSOD. In the middle of the gathering of information for the memory dump, the system rebooted. So I don't have a dump file. I do have an error 0x00000109 with sub error 101, which points to a general pool corruption. Which could still be CPU, memory or motherboard, or a driver not being Windows 10 compatible. Let's rule out the last as it's all new hardware, all new Windows 10 Pro, all new drivers.

So I will go negotiate with the store to give me an Asrock motherboard as replacement, because when I bring this motherboard back, they will RMA it to the manufacturer and I will have to wait until they say it's broken or not, which can take several weeks. Meaning I don't have a system next to my TV then as I brought the old system to my ex already. I don't mind buying a new board.
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Message 2031924 - Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 1:46:11 UTC - in response to Message 2031274.  

Crazy good fun assembling such a system water cooled:

Linus Tech 3990x One Day At Micro Center


Great fun!

Enjoy!!


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Message 2031961 - Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 12:00:45 UTC

I am back to non-AVX intel CPU crunching on my 3950x. And it looks like the Seti CPU tasks are crunching at about 1 hour 30 minutes. While on the i9-9900K the average crunch time seems to be 1 hour 10 minutes.

Am I just seeing "normal" variation due to different data files or is the 3950x that much slower? Neither CPU is running in turbo mode.

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Message 2031982 - Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 22:56:40 UTC - in response to Message 2031961.  

I am back to non-AVX intel CPU crunching on my 3950x. And it looks like the Seti CPU tasks are crunching at about 1 hour 30 minutes. While on the i9-9900K the average crunch time seems to be 1 hour 10 minutes.

Am I just seeing "normal" variation due to different data files or is the 3950x that much slower? Neither CPU is running in turbo mode.

Tom

I don't know . . . . why don't you compare the clock rates between the two. I'm sure the 9900K has the faster clock rate.
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Message 2031984 - Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 23:10:04 UTC - in response to Message 2031982.  

I am back to non-AVX intel CPU crunching on my 3950x. And it looks like the Seti CPU tasks are crunching at about 1 hour 30 minutes. While on the i9-9900K the average crunch time seems to be 1 hour 10 minutes.

Am I just seeing "normal" variation due to different data files or is the 3950x that much slower? Neither CPU is running in turbo mode.

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I don't know . . . . why don't you compare the clock rates between the two. I'm sure the 9900K has the faster clock rate.
It's only 100MHz faster in the configuration he's using. ;-)

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Message 2031991 - Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 23:40:54 UTC - in response to Message 2031984.  

I am back to non-AVX intel CPU crunching on my 3950x. And it looks like the Seti CPU tasks are crunching at about 1 hour 30 minutes. While on the i9-9900K the average crunch time seems to be 1 hour 10 minutes.

Am I just seeing "normal" variation due to different data files or is the 3950x that much slower? Neither CPU is running in turbo mode.

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I don't know . . . . why don't you compare the clock rates between the two. I'm sure the 9900K has the faster clock rate.
It's only 100MHz faster in the configuration he's using. ;-)

Cheers.

Looks like 500Mhz to me for the couple of cpu tasks I found on the 9900K host compared to the 3950K. 4000Mhz of the 9900K versus the locked 3500Mhz of the 3950.
Other than that, just the difference in work units. The 3950 has a higher cpu APR than the 9900K.
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Message 2032097 - Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 17:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 2031795.  
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Okay, went from a Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite to an Asrock B450 Steel Legend. Nice RGB.
Had also bought a Cooler Master Masterliquid ML240L RGB water cooling, but am returning that to the store as I cannot manage to get it locked onto the CPU socket. The screws with which you hook the hooks around the socket are weird. They start with some screw thread, then there's approx. 3 mm of nothing before the thread continues. Once the hooks are hooked onto the socket however it's impossible to bridge the 3 mm of nothing. I've been at it for two and a half hours. I quit. I give up. Put the air cooler back on, three minutes work. Really.

Am now running Furmark on CPU for stability testing. CPU is at 66C and stable.
Together with Furmark for GPU max 68C.

But temps never were the problem, something else was. So will do more testing after dinner.

Edit: changing the motherboard has deactivated Windows. Any way around that besides having to buy a new copy? I already used my previous Windows 7 Ultimate key
I'm certainly not forking out €259,- just because I changed my motherboard, Microsoft!

Edit3: so I found it... you need to link your device to your Microsoft account. This means that tomorrow I have to put the old motherboard back, link it to my Microsoft account, then change the motherboard again, and upon re-entry link the new motherboard to my device. But the easiest way they want you to follow is of course to buy a new license. Which if your mobo is fried you will have to do.
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Message 2032117 - Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 20:38:12 UTC

I'm screwed. Put the old motherboard back, but that one is also no longer recognized. Re-inputing the key doesn't work either.
One strange message though, on the troubleshooter it says that the Microsoft servers are unavailable... either they are, or it's just my luck.
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Message 2032119 - Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 21:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 2032097.  

Microsoft used to just let you call them and you tell them you changed only a bit of hardware on the same computer. Then they reauthorized the new hardware signature.
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