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Message 2027392 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 0:21:22 UTC
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Been running with the case shut for some time now. The glass is warm to the touch. I may end up trying to get a metal side door, so I can install extra fans on it on the inside. But then no one can see all the glorious RGB... :-(

CPU idling at 43C, GPU at 50C. CPU idles so high because I am downloading something, and that causes cores 1 to 3, 10 and 12 to be under a light load (max 3GHz. true idling cores 4-9, 11 and 12 run at 663-712MHz)
The GPU temps is odd anyway, as both Trixx and GPU-Z claim when running Furmark that it's just 71C, while Furmark itself claims it's at 93C.
Furmark also has a CPU tester, max temps I saw on 24 threads was 68C, max on 12 threads also 68C. Max speed, 4.1GHz.

Was doing some gaming as well. Breakpoint looks nicer now at so many frames per second. Did its benchmark, on Very High, 2560x1440, GPU temps max 95C (I didn't have Trixx open to compare on temperature, only saw it taking 225W). The CPU ran at 3.7GHz during the benchmark.

As for the second SSD, in the end I deleted all partitions and reformatted it. Found I had backed up the contents of the lost partition to the NAS yesterday, so there was no further need for it to stay as it was in its broken state or for me to try to fix it. The first SSD ended up having lost its boot files for some reason. That was easily fixed using the command line in the Windows startup USB stick. Only before I was there I was an hour and a half down the line. ;-)

At least my phone is charging on the case now (about the only reason why I bought the case with the USB-C connection on the front :-))

Am now running a task on the system. CPU only. Before I get more yells about my 5700 XT being a thing of the devil. Running a task just for testing and to get my system in my list of computers. The Model is empty in the index. ;)
Doesn't help that I immediately get a Informational message -9 result_overflow. And now a further 129 tasks in... ouch.
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Message 2027394 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 0:33:35 UTC - in response to Message 2027392.  
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All my tasks end in Informational message -9 result_overflows, so either there's a bad batch out there or there's something awry with my system. As said, running on CPU only. Max temp I saw was 72C, so that's nice.

Edit1: All the one -9'ing are 18no10ab, of which I have an absolute crapload.
Edit2: The next 24 now running reached the 5 minute mark and have no trouble...
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Message 2027395 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 0:36:48 UTC - in response to Message 2027392.  

Am now running a task on the system. CPU only. Before I get more yells about my 5700 XT being a thing of the devil. Running a task just for testing and to get my system in my list of computers.
There is a new application over at Beta that's meant to address the RX 5000 series issues with a newly released driver that's meant to address the issues as well.
All they need over there now are some WUs.
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Message 2027398 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 0:51:57 UTC - in response to Message 2027394.  
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Edit1: All the one -9'ing are 18no10ab, of which I have an absolute crapload.
Edit2: The next 24 now running reached the 5 minute mark and have no trouble...

Forced my systems to make a start on them, most of mine are VLARs and processing OK. There was one non VLAR, and it looks like it finished early.

Edit- and another non VLAR one bombed out in seconds.

Edit- just had a VLAR bomb out in seconds, though several dozen others have been processed OK. Looks like the majority of the noisy WUs are the non VLAR type.
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Message 2027415 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 3:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 2027398.  

Edit- just had a VLAR bomb out in seconds, though several dozen others have been processed OK. Looks like the majority of the noisy WUs are the non VLAR type.
I must have been lucky with that first batch of VLARs, since then more & more of them have been noise bombs too.
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Message 2027440 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 13:34:08 UTC - in response to Message 2027415.  
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Yeah, not all of them are. I turned off my system last night for bed, have just thirty minutes ago turned everything back on. Fun detail, now my old system had trouble booting, it had lost its hibernation file. Trouble follows me around. ;-)

But those first 24 that managed to keep running still are.
Had to uninstall AMD Ryzen Master again as that program can't stand that the computer goes to sleep. Each time thereafter I have to uninstall & reinstall it. I have now uninstalled it and will leave it be for the moment. AMD forums said that could be solved with installing the chipset drivers. Well, no, still doing it.

CPU is running at ~4GHz.
Some of the tasks(the BLCs) will be done in ~ 10 minutes, others (those 18no10ab vlar and non-vlar MBs) look to be an hour and a half away. I've decided that I'll run the batch sent to me, I won't abort any of it. Is also interesting to me to see how well it does. (having said that, of course the moment I installed Lunatics, it discard all previous tasks... well, there's more work out there to be had now!)
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Message 2027448 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 14:56:14 UTC - in response to Message 2027440.  

She's toasty with AVX2 apps. Up to 83C. I've taken the top off my system, put only the filter in there so it can breathe some more. CPU power up to 100W. I don't mind running this once in a while, but then on 12 cores only.
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Message 2027467 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 16:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 2027448.  
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Running 12 cores, 11 normal MBs, 1 BLC, temps at 68C and power usage at 68W.

First thing on the agenda in a bit is update to the newest BIOS to get AMD AGESA Combo-AM4 1.0.0.3 ABB in. Waiting for a backup from the NAS to be finished coming on board.
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Message 2027488 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 19:09:40 UTC - in response to Message 2027467.  
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Running 12 cores, 11 normal MBs, 1 BLC, temps at 68C and power usage at 68W.

First thing on the agenda in a bit is update to the newest BIOS to get AMD AGESA Combo-AM4 1.0.0.3 ABB in. Waiting for a backup from the NAS to be finished coming on board.


If it is working OK, I am not sure I would update the Bios.....

Congratulations for "giving in" to see what it would crunch like. I have been VERY happy with my 3900x. If I hadn't stumbled over a "list price" 3950x I would still be running just the 3900x.
I just realized you aren't running the SMT so you don't have a lot of spare threads for running your games while you crunch.
Looks like you switched to the Lunatics Distro.... your CPU crunching is chewing through them pretty fast.

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Message 2027494 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 19:23:55 UTC - in response to Message 2027488.  
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First thing on the agenda in a bit is update to the newest BIOS to get AMD AGESA Combo-AM4 1.0.0.3 ABB in. Waiting for a backup from the NAS to be finished coming on board.


If it is working OK, I am not sure I would update the Bios.....
You must, because this update fixes the problem of voltage problems a lot of people had from out of the box Ryzen, as well as problems getting the computer to post. My BIOS was 3.50, is now 3.60 and the one thing I found that fixed the AMD Ryzen Master crash problem was the update of the BIOS. Especially if you run Linux with a kernel 5.0 you will want this update.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-firmware-update-reportedly-solves-ryzen-3000-boot-issues-linux.html

Congratulations for "giving in" to see what it would crunch like. I have been VERY happy with my 3900x. If I hadn't stumbled over a "list price" 3950x I would still be running just the 3900x.
I just realized you aren't running the SMT so you don't have a lot of spare threads for running your games while you crunch.
I was running SMT earlier, but turned it off for now. It helps keep the heat down. No need really to pump out 85-90C into the living room, when 65C makes my feet warm as well. :)

Looks like you switched to the Lunatics Distro.... your CPU crunching is chewing through them pretty fast.
Yeah and lost all the tasks from before in the process... forgot about that idiosyncrasy. They were just discarded by BOINC, not aborted. Also updated to BOINC 7.16.3, just to be sure. Running the AVX2 app now. And my RX 5700 XT runs Seti Beta. Looks to be running APs inside 10 minutes... Freed one core for it.

I'm just running BOINC while installing everything I need on this system. Seeing how quickly 2TB fills up I may end up moving the 6TB HDD anyway. :P
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Message 2027499 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 19:34:56 UTC

Depending on the mobo vendor, the AMD AGESA level is up to 1.0.0.4 AB. Reports are running about normal . . . half/half reporting benefit/harm in performance.
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Message 2027508 - Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 21:06:35 UTC - in response to Message 2026695.  

you do realize almost all aio in the usa use Asetek period. due to a patient . every manf of them that sell in the usa(but for 2 new gen that are not out yet) are asetek pumps .
just fyi it was not just enermax for tr4. but ever one for that said series had the same issue.
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Message 2027555 - Posted: 13 Jan 2020, 7:06:49 UTC - in response to Message 2027494.  

Looks like you switched to the Lunatics Distro.... your CPU crunching is chewing through them pretty fast.
Yeah and lost all the tasks from before in the process... forgot about that idiosyncrasy. They were just discarded by BOINC, not aborted.
I don't know why that would happen. Many times I've gone from CDUA to SoG to CUDA & back again, as well as from Stock to Lunatics without losing any existing work.
Always made sure BOINC wasn't running, ran Lunatics, restarted BOINC, no problems.
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Message 2027566 - Posted: 13 Jan 2020, 13:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 2027555.  

I don't know why that would happen.
12-Jan-2020 15:08:03 [SETI@home] No application found for task: windows_x86_64 805 ; discarding, and that 129 times.

It's because the Lunatics installer only put <version_num>800</version_num> in the app_info.xml file, not any of the versions above that. Or I must've used an old installer, I did do a search and used the one (0.45 beta6 for SoG) from Arkayn's site. There used to be a sticky thread about these installers in the index here at NC, but it's there no longer. And well, perhaps if I had a system with all the bookmarks automatically available to me, it'd be easy, but this is a brand new system, it lacks a lot.

Now only running at zero days and 0.01 days additional cache, so if something goes horribly wrong, I only lose 11 tasks.

Anyway, off to AMD to complain about their crap software, called AMD Ryzen Master that still crashes and needs a reinstall.
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Message 2028025 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 1:23:51 UTC

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=8853145
tlgalenson@moonshot3:~$ sudo modprobe asus-wmi-sensors
[sudo] password for tlgalenson: 
tlgalenson@moonshot3:~$ sensors
asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM

asuswmisensors-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.24 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.08 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.20 V  
VDDP Voltage:             +0.29 V  
1.8V PLL Voltage:         +1.85 V  
+12V Voltage:            +11.94 V  
+5V Voltage:              +5.01 V  
3VSB Voltage:             +3.36 V  
VBAT Voltage:             +3.23 V  
AVCC3 Voltage:            +3.36 V  
SB 1.05V Voltage:         +1.07 V  
CPU Core Voltage:         +1.25 V  
CPU SOC Voltage:          +1.08 V  
DRAM Voltage:             +1.22 V  
CPU Fan:                 1406 RPM
Chassis Fan 1:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 2:              0 RPM
Chassis Fan 3:              0 RPM
HAMP Fan:                   0 RPM
Water Pump:                 0 RPM
CPU OPT:                 1452 RPM
Water Flow:                 0 RPM
AIO Pump:                   0 RPM
CPU Temperature:          +71.0°C  
CPU Socket Temperature:   +48.0°C  
Motherboard Temperature:  +26.0°C  
Chipset Temperature:      +48.0°C  
Tsensor 1 Temperature:   +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Temperature:      +46.0°C  
Water In:                +216.0°C  
Water Out:               +216.0°C  
CPU VRM Output Current:  +88.00 A  

tlgalenson@moonshot3:~$ 


Darn, now that I seem to have gotten things working I am going to have to see about putting the socket fan back in as well as finding a stable lower voltage for the cpu. I want to be a "cool cat" not a "hot and bothered".

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Message 2028027 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 1:32:00 UTC - in response to Message 2028025.  

What kind of cpu utilization were those readings from? What was the cpu clockspeed? 71° C. is not really that bad. That is what I normally run at.

I have mine down to 1.20V under 60% loading at 4200Mhz.
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Message 2028080 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 11:27:48 UTC
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So far this week I have used as much electricity as I did last week, and that includes running BOINC/Seti on CPU and GPU for half a day. I'm not saying this system uses as much electricity as my last did, but if it does I'm glad.

Of course it helps that Breakpoint keeps crashing on me. 😁

Besides, the real test comes when my ex has finally moved out and her computer is no longer using electricity 18 hours a day. That's going to start next week, yay!
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Message 2028085 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 11:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 2028027.  

What kind of cpu utilization were those readings from? What was the cpu clockspeed? 71° C. is not really that bad. That is what I normally run at.

I have mine down to 1.20V under 60% loading at 4200Mhz.


The task manager is claiming around a 90% load at about 3.5 GHz. I have the cpu boost turned off. I have set the cpu voltage fixed at 1.25v because auto was setting it to ~ 1.5v Dram is also running auto rather than the stepped up settings right now because I was having trouble with booting.

I just flashed to the latest Bios update (Dec 2019) because it started not booting (stopped in the bios POST) with 6 gpus installed.

Everything is pretty much on auto. What are all your other Cross Hair VII settings again? I want to see if it will run cooler with some of your other settings in place. I will drop the voltage to a fixed 1.20v as soon as I can get a chance to.

Here stickys (to install the socket fan). Here stickys....

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Message 2028127 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 16:16:38 UTC - in response to Message 2028085.  

Hi Tom, this is my setting.txt file from the 2901 BIOS. Not the latest from the 3004 BIOS but they are exactly the same.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1MaPPY85BISWkvDLZFSYURKEn9Y8jL_Rl
All the visible BIOS settings. You'll have to find the ones that you use. Probably on the first page. Don't forget you have to allow for voltage droop from the value you set in the BIOS.
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Message 2028225 - Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 23:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 2028085.  

I will drop the voltage to a fixed 1.20v as soon as I can get a chance to.

Here stickys (to install the socket fan). Here stickys....

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And it locked up maybe 15 minutes later so I switched it back up to 1.25 volts where it had run overnight.

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