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Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Landing on asteroids is not really very exciting to me, but I know it's good science, and actually pretty darn impressive. Everything - public and private industry - is moving at a glacial pace compared to the glory days of the moon shots. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
China has made a big splash on the far side of the moon, and has a nice new radio telescope. NASA and the ESA and Russia are all doing good astronomy science, too, but what will get an ambitious new space goal going? Do we really have to have another cold war? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Scientific knowledge about asteroids could end up having a very practical application. If we're to one day divert an asteroid headed for a collision with Earth, we must understand how they will respond to various means of delivering route-changing force to them. The varying geological composition of asteroids will have a very important bearing on this response. Learning how to navigate in the vicinity of asteroids, with their irregular gravity fields, and how to best deploy probes and sensors to their surfaces will be the basis of learning the details of their composition. A means of better connecting the spectral types of asteroids with details of their composition would be highly desirable. Such knowledge would be built up from on-site scrutiny of a substantial number of asteroids. The Asteroid Impact & Deflection Assessment (AIDA) mission is being planned for 2022. It will test the effects of one method of diverting the potentially hazardous asteroid, Didymos. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Totally agree with you, Michael. I just wish to see in addition to those very worthwhile and important projects, a bigger goal like the moon was, back in the day. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Totally agree with you, Michael. I just wish to see in addition to those very worthwhile and important projects, a bigger goal like the moon was, back in the day. The number one reason the moon went so well was because congress understood the reality of research. There are 3 things in research and you can only know two of them. 1) Your Goal 2) Your Budget 3) How long it takes. Our goal was set and the time frame was set, money wasn't, NASA got how ever much it needed. I don't believe the country has the political will to set up a project where there is an open ended budget any time soon. We aren't at the point today were we could set a goal of a self sustaining colony off earth in a decade time span. That is a goal which is far enough out there it would drive huge advancement. However a realistic time span is longer than can be maintained with political will. A permanent off world base, which isn't self sustaining, is within reach in a reasonable time span, but I don't see that driving huge advancement, only limited advancement and it isn't a sexy enough goal to window dress for the politicians. We are getting much closer with 3D printing to being able to make the attempt to go modestly self sustaining, but we have a very long way to go to be able to put a shovel of moon into a hopper and get a crescent wrench out of a printer. Also one of the biggest issues is likely going to be the manufacture of IC chips. While it isn't that hard to get the raw material, once you have a slice, doing all the steps necessary to make it an IC isn't trivial. (You have to be able to make repair parts for everything to be 100% self sustaining.) If we were to start today for off world, we are likely about a century out of being 100% totally self sustaining. Until then some exotic supplies will still need to be made on mother earth and sent up. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
What if the Apollo missions had never happened? Would there have been a manned mission by now? What if it had been unsuccessful? Would there have been more attempts? I feel like these questions should be posed and answered in Politics, because it may get dicey. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I really hope that everyone visiting this thread will think and read first, and if feeling like posting to join the discussion, will do so in a way that doesn't put down other posters, but instead makes things more interesting, and educational. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
"Space exploration doesn't just happen—it is made through the decisions of government, budgets, policy documents, and by individuals and industries. Space exploration is for all of us, but only by understanding the politics of space can we make it happen." Space exploration cost Big Money. Using manned missions with perhaps not so much of a science value cost even more Big Money. The Apollo program was reported to Congress as having cost $25.4 billion from beginning to end.Are there any estimates of the cost sending man to Mars and getting them back within this 2+ decade? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
That's only 25% of their military spending. FY-DoD Base Budget-Total Spending 2016 - $521.7 - $767.3 2017- Actual $523.2 - $818.2 2018 - Enacted $574.5 - $874.4 2019 - Budget $597.1 -$886.0 |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Will defense budgets ever shrink to the point that money can be directed into space exploration? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Will defense budgets ever shrink to the point that money can be directed into space exploration?Most of the world would just love those defence budgets cut no matter what and all at once Then we can all get on with many more much important things Gordon. ;-) Cheers. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Will defense budgets ever shrink to the point that money can be directed into space exploration?Most of the world would just love those defence budgets cut no matter what and all at once I agree, wholeheartedly! The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Will defense budgets ever shrink to the point that money can be directed into space exploration? Well, there is lots of money to be made selling munitions to both sides. We need to get the chest beating idiots out of politics in every country. Or get a planet wide scare so everyone realizes we all have to cooperate for a change. One would have hoped AGW might have provided that scare, but the troglodytes seem to have proliferated. |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
It might take the discovery of an off-world intelligence, with a presence in this solar system, to finally unite the human race. We might then divert the money spent on destruction to a constructive purpose, such as going out to meet them... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Yes. Seems that it's only governments that can't own the moon according to the "Outer Space Treaty". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty The treaty explicitly forbids any government to claim a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet.[7] However Article I The exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind.Unless there are any new treaties. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
BBC - Can anyone 'own' the Moon? Good link, Nick. I remember hearing about moon land rights being sold to the general public. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
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