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Message 1994918 - Posted: 23 May 2019, 21:48:43 UTC - in response to Message 1994916.  
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Which means that any pretence that politicians run "for the good of the country" is blown out of the water.

Each one is in it for themselves, and we need to switch to voting for the person, not the label. Which will need a lot of personal research...
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If the 2 named gentlemen were my MP's they would get my vote each & every time.
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Norman Lamb.
Used to vote for Bella Saltmarsh (Liberal Party) because she cared for her community. Moving out of the area & changing party cost her dearly & I said so on these boards - It did.
Edit: Monday would be "absolutely fabulous"
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Message 1994988 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 7:49:12 UTC

I haven't trusted European leaders for 45 years. Throughout the 1980's, that mistrust was only confirmed by Maggie Thatcher's interactions with them. For the past 28 years, felt that the EU will oversee the destruction of the UK. Whether or not that would have happened is no longer an issue.
Looking at most of the mainstream media this morning, the 650 biggest benefit scroungers in Britain has done it for them.

Bye Bye...
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Message 1994989 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 7:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 1994988.  

Actually, I think we've done it to ourselves.
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Message 1994991 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 8:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1994989.  
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Disagree. We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT. It should never have been held. There was no referendums for Major's & Brown's commitments to EU treaties, so parliament should have voted on In or Out in 2016.

By handing the decision to the electorate they assumed that we were too dumb & would stay in. The result shocked them which is why the past 3 years have been wasted,

Had the leave vote in parliament held the majority, then go to a public referendum. Had they got the same result, we would now be out of the EU for 56 days.

Edit: To show how dumb party politicians are just look at Boris Johnson in his book "The Churchill Factor" - Blames Labour for the current situation as they refused the French invitation to discuss the Steel & Coal council in 1950. He forgot who took us into the EEC.
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Message 1994992 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 8:43:44 UTC - in response to Message 1994991.  

My "We" comprises four different groupings, represented in both of the two main political parties:

* Front bench politicians - the ones we see mostly on TV
* Back bench politicians - a few performing TV monkeys, but mostly decent, silent, people
* Signed up party political members
* Party political voters

Each of these groups, on both sides of the aisle, thinks that the other groups on their side of the aisle are "just like us". That ain't true any more, and the assumptions fail.

That's why I say that "we" got it wrong - because we let the old "we" fall apart, possibly when we handed all political thought over to the free market. We could perhaps discuss your edit in that context, but I have to go offline now.
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Message 1994993 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 8:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1994992.  

Thanks Richard. I thought you meant all of us. To give you a laugh to enjoy the rest of your day, a quote from a report - it has me ROFLMAO.
Speaking at a Brexit Party rally in Olympia, West London, Mr Farage said: “The way we’re crushing the Labour vote in Wales, the Midlands, the north, we might we get rid of Jeremy Corbyn too! How about that, buy one get one free!”
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Message 1994994 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 9:57:06 UTC

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Message 1994995 - Posted: 24 May 2019, 10:55:04 UTC

We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.
But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius.

I'd like to see how another exit vote would go now that all can see all the factors that are actually involved. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1995209 - Posted: 25 May 2019, 15:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 1994995.  

We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.
But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius.
Wasn't necessary 22:00 23/6/16 to 23:00 29/3/19 - a total of 1009 days to not only provide an exit plan but more than enough time for the Department of Trade & Industry & other relevant Departments to have scenarios in place to cover whatever result occurred on exit day.

Instead, all that has been seen is a massive waste of public funds & squabbling like kids, which is still continuing.
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It's quite surprising when MPs who have been members of the government for the past 2 two years and supported 'No deal is better than a bad deal' under TM now all of a sudden say they won't support no deal under a new leader. And we wonder why people have lost trust in politics!
11:34 25/5/19

Still squabbling
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Message 1995215 - Posted: 25 May 2019, 15:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 1995209.  

All without a mention of David Cameron (except as 'last elected leader') or John Major's "bastards".
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Message 1995216 - Posted: 25 May 2019, 16:03:05 UTC - in response to Message 1995215.  

Those two were too busy "chillaxing" & enjoying "curried eggs". :-)
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Message 1995338 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 14:03:33 UTC

Never thought I'd actually ENJOY a trip to the voting booth, I thought it would always be a chore...

To no-one's surprise - I'm sure - I voted for DiEM25 (Varoufakis)

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Message 1995340 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 14:17:06 UTC - in response to Message 1995338.  

I enjoyed the last 2, 2/5 & 23/5. Also going to enjoy the next one on the 75th Anniversary of D-Day. :-)
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Message 1995349 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 15:40:23 UTC - in response to Message 1995209.  

We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.
But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius.
Instead, all that has been seen is a massive waste of public funds & squabbling like kids, which is still continuing.
Of course. That was the intent of not having an exit plan in place to go with the vote. Too make it so [fill in the blank] that it would enrich by waste. BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal? Or would there have been enough people who wouldn't have liked any given deal that the remain would have won? Along the lines of if the deal doesn't matter then why wasn't May's deal taken? After all if the deal doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter!
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Message 1995351 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 16:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 1995349.  

Of course. That was the intent of not having an exit plan in place to go with the vote.
No plan was needed as they were too smug in their belief that the electorate were/are too dumb to think for themselves. The number 1 mantra of British leadership "WE know best" has been floundering for some time, but May's snap election together with the results of the local elections earlier this month has sunk it.
BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?
No because of 650 personal & party agendas. What we have seen & continue to see with the leadership contest just confirms that.
For example:
Phillip Hammond
"This is a parliamentary democracy. A prime minister who ignores Parliament cannot expect to survive very long," he warned.
Someone should tell him that this is a democratic country & any Minister who ignores the electorate does so at their own peril.
Rory Stewart
And in a direct criticism of Boris Johnson, Mr Stewart said: "I would not serve in the cabinet of someone explicitly pushing for a no-deal Brexit."
Someone should tell him that he is there to serve the best interests of the country, not his own personal agenda. If he cannot do so, then stand down as an MP.
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Message 1995354 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 16:56:09 UTC - in response to Message 1995351.  

BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?
No because of 650 personal & party agendas.
So there isn't a majority for what is going to happen, no matter what deal or no deal happens. Lovely democracy you have there.
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Message 1995357 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 17:00:53 UTC - in response to Message 1995354.  

BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?
No because of 650 personal & party agendas.
So there isn't a majority for what is going to happen, no matter what deal or no deal happens. Lovely democracy you have there.
YEP! :-(
Looking forward to 22:00 tonight when the European elections end to see if our "mobsters" got another good kicking. :-)
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Message 1995395 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 22:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 1995357.  

And the winner is...
The Green parties seems to be winners. Oh Ireland:) Together with Finland, Germany and the Netherlands.
However nationalist parties also gain seats where as traditional parties lose seats...
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-48389690
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Message 1995396 - Posted: 26 May 2019, 22:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 1995395.  

Looking good here as well. The 2 biggest parties are getting a very big "kicking". A well deserved one IMHO. :-)
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