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Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
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Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Sky News can reveal that the government has taken out hundreds of gagging orders as part of its preparations for a no-deal Brexit. The orders, formerly known as non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), are legally binding contracts to stop confidential conversations being talked about in public.Surely those are 'formally' known as NDAs? If reporters can't write basic English, I worry about their news accuracy. Mind you, as an avid reader of the Grauniad, I shouldn't complain... |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
I bet they'll listen if it hits 17.5 million. |
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I beg to disagree. formally /ˈfÉ”ËmÉ™li/Submit adverb 1. in accordance with convention or etiquette. "he was formally attired" 2. officially. "the Mayor will formally open the new Railway Centre" formerly /ˈfÉ”ËmÉ™li/Submit adverb in the past; in earlier times. "Mumbai, formerly Bombay" |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
2."Gagging orders, officially known as Non Disclosure Agreements" (by the courts which adjudicate on them) One could quibble with the word 'Agreement', since they're normally demanded unilaterally by the more powerful party to the transaction. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Since 23/6/16 that's all that's been seen, quibbling. I don't recall seeing deal or no deal on the ballot papers just leave or remain. 51.9% said leave so leave it should be. The politicians then would have to earn their money negotiating trade deals. Europe itself is dreading the no deal scenario. The question is WHY? |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
"I think the time is now to deliver for the British people, the time is now to make the decision."Hmm, big improvement. Took her a year to regret her actions at Grenfell, only 1.5 days for this one. Or it could be the case she's butt kissing to save her job! Earlier, the Mr May was forced to endure the humiliation of waiting outside a summit room for hours as feuding EU leaders carved up Brexit’s timetable without her.Better one would be one that had bars & a steel door! |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19589 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Since 23/6/16 that's all that's been seen, quibbling. I don't recall seeing deal or no deal on the ballot papers just leave or remain. 51.9% said leave so leave it should be. The politicians then would have to earn their money negotiating trade deals. Maybe they cannot, or do not want to, afford the lawyers. What about your bacon butty* made with Danish Bacon. Is that a deal with the EU or not, considering the UK has been the biggest customer since the 19th century. * Correct terminology, it is never a bacon sandwich. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Ah, but that is just one of the reasons why their dreading a no deal. :-) Tory MP Michael Fabricant expresses disappointment the UK is not leaving the EU on 29 March.Or a Maggie, one thing May never will be! How the EU sees it Well, Brexit has boosted the Dutch economy - 900 new jobs. :-) The manager of Europe's largest port, at Rotterdam in the Netherlands, says he feels "definitely relieved" about the Brexit extension, but he is still preparing for the UK to leave on the 29 March. |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19589 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Or even https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 Total now >3 million. |
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Fascist 'European Economic Community' to 'European Union'. That is quite a bit of a stretch. Unfortunately, that was the first time European Economic Community was used, so not a stretch, a fact, however I think Gorbachev's words were more apt when considering what the European Union actually is. I suspect that most people voted stay or go emotionally and only the minority middle \ upper classes or intellectuals voted with their wallet, ideology or with ideas like the 'Lisbon Treaty' et al? Mmm...I don't think the argument that people were too stupid to vote really carries well with the electorate, certainly Europhiles in Parliament appear to use that position, and of course there is the Communist/Cultural Marxist Shadow Government in waiting in the form of the Labour Party, and if ever there was a deficit in intelligent life we don't need SETI to look for it, just look at the Shadow Cabinet. The end finances of leaving the EU is yet to be seen. True, but I'd much rather listen to an independent expert than anyone in Westminster. There certainly is a relationship building with China and cheap products including low quality piece meal items for the masses. I'd rather the old BSI Mark rather than the EU Stamp of Approval on anything, all it means is it meets their rules, it doesn't mean its any good at what it does. I don't think all Americans would agree that leaving a wide community for some short (or projected long) term benefits would be a 'no brainer.' I certainly don't think they would accept being ruled by Canada or Mexico, and have their Laws, Trade, Taxation, and Currency set by an Appointed Committee, with no means to remove them. 20% of the US can't afford basic health care including primary first aid or basic dental care. Your point is vague, perhaps its a reference to the NHS, that was set up in 1948, before EEC/EU Membership started in 1973? Who knows, certainly Healthcare within the EU is better than that of the US, but we had the best Healthcare System in the World long before the EU, which does not control the NHS, in case anyone is wondering, not until 2020 under the Lisbon Treaty anyway. It is likely that a larger number struggle to keep a basic or average level of living standards. Whilst speculation might be interesting, I'd rather someone from the US considered these matters. For me I think we are facing something of an emotional or perhaps primordial reaction in the Brexit vote. Intellectual capacity again? Just don't go there. The reason we haven't left yet or started to disconnect is because the powerful and wealthy are postulating and second guessing what they personally will gain or lose. They also have no regard for law or our political system as things would have moved much quicker otherwise. Certainly Westminster appears all about vested interests, and self interests, to the point that MPs are selfish, and they would rather obfuscate and confuse, rather than think about the rest of us. (My vote on Brexit is private as the majority has voted..) Each to their own, I'm not bothered whether anyone knows, I voted Leave, and would still vote Leave. ![]() |
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Suggested reading for a better understanding of the EU: Maybe after we've left on the 29th ![]() |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Since 18 May 1955, the "European Project" has been built on deliberate deceit & nothing seen since then has denied that. In fact, "Europa" the EU's own website has even omitted crucial facts about its formation in its history of the EU. On 18 May 1955 the Benelux foreign ministers offered a document to their ECSC counterparts known as the ‘Benelux Memorandum’. This linked the Beyen and Monnet strategies, in what was to become known as the junktim, suggesting that a working group should be set up to draft treaties for a ‘common market’. The integration of transport, energy, nuclear energy and social legislation would all be included. Erhard’s views had been ignored.Confirmed by Frau Merkel herself with her statement "It is a political, fiscal & economic union" we desire. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
April 12th or maybe May 22nd. :-(Suggested reading for a better understanding of the EU: Personally, I was looking forward to 23:00 29/3/19. I'm not anti-Europe but certainly am anti-EU - Always have been. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
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Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
I've always felt that the EU will be the cause of Britain self destructing & nothing seen over the last 3 years has convinced otherwise. :-( Biggest fiasco in British history Country divided Democracy destroyed What next? |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Print journalists have more time for research and writing. Secret Cabinet Office document reveals chaotic planning for no-deal Brexit 'Hope dies last': fatalism among EU leaders as no-deal Brexit looks likely |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Over a million people march for a people's vote now in London. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/23/brexit-hundreds-of-thousands-expected-to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates I love the sign "IKEA has better cabinets":) |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
May urged to quit Too late, the damage is done. The best though was from the retired academic who started the petition. "Democracy is ruled by society for society, not the majority for the majority," she said.Someone should explain democracy to her. She's currently on holiday in Cyprus - Didn't the EU wreck them or has she forgotten that fact? Cancel Brexit So the 41.9% want to stuff the 58.1% - so much for her version of society for society! |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Theresa May still has no solution for the Brexit Drama. In a speech in parliament, she admits that she has failed to gather enough support for her brexit agreement for a possible third vote. At the same time, the EU Commission says that all preparations are ready to meet a no-deal brexit on April 12. The EU Commission warns of queues at the border with the UK and that, from day one, April 13, if it becomes a no-deal , British citizens are considered third-country nationals. |
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