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 TimeLord04  Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 
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A new Security Update for High Sierra 10.13.6 hit me with an alert, yesterday, that it was available to be installed... I have an EVGA NVIDIA GTX-1050 in my Mac Pro 5,1, (a secondary card to the native ATI HD5770), and have the Alternate NVIDIA Driver already installed - Ver 387.10.10.10.40.105. I DON'T yet see a newer NVIDIA Driver available for Security Update 2018-002, AND, because I have the NVIDIA Card installed, I ALSO see that the System WILL allow me to Update to Mojave 10.14.1. (No NVIDIA Driver yet available for Mojave, either.) Anyone know what the status is for Alternate NVIDIA Web Drivers for Security Update 2018-002, or Mojave??? (Are the 10x0 and above cards now native in Mojave?) I don't want to Update to either Security Update 2018-002 for HS, NOR Mojave without proper Driver Support for the 1050 as this is the sole card used in my Mac for Crunching. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962661 ·  |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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Anyone??? I was hoping TBar would have responded to this Thread as he works pretty extensively with Mac and Linux... Again, will Mojave natively recognize the 10x0 Line of Cards; or, only the 20x0 Cards??? I read something about Native Kepler support... AND, I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable would chime in about the new High Sierra 2018-002 Security Update; will there be a new NVIDIA Web Driver for MacOS High Sierra or is it more recommended to go to Mojave. I was holding off on the Mojave Update until I saw new NVIDIA Drivers for the 10x0 Cards; BUT, if there is Native Support then I'd skip the High Sierra Second Security Update and move right into Mojave. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962738 · |
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TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768
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You know the drill by now. Any change to the OS build number requires a New Web driver and it usually takes 1 to 3 days before a driver appears. It's been like that fore-ever. Why not just go to nVidia and search for Mojave yourself? Or even the MacRumors MacPro board? https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1042520/driver/-when-will-the-nvidia-web-drivers-be-released-for-macos-mojave-10-14-/post/5293903/#5293903 The LAST nVidia GPU supported by Apple was Kepler, that's why there has Always been Native Kepler support. Just because Kepler is supported in the OS doesn't mean anything newer is supported. ID: 1962752 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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You know the drill by now. Any change to the OS build number requires a New Web driver and it usually takes 1 to 3 days before a driver appears. It's been like that fore-ever. I'm ONLY asking about Mojave as it's BEEN OUT SINCE September!!! NO NVIDIA Web Drivers have shown up for it, YET... So, if Kepler is older than the 10x0 Cards, (which I was unaware of before), then that explains the Kepler ONLY notation I just recently found for Mojave... I don't typically keep up with Card Development Names; I only know that my 750TI SC Cards are Maxwell because that was discussed here in NC for quite awhile. TL [EDIT:] TonyMacx86.com - NVIDIA Web Drivers' List. The above url ONLY shows 387.10.10.10.40.105 as the Latest NVIDIA Web Driver for High Sierra 10.13.6 - 2018-001. So, I've been waiting for Mojave news on this front for quite awhile, actually... ALSO, nothing new for 2018-002... TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962760 · |
Keith Myers   Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873
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Stick this in your memory bank for Nvidia family architecture timeline. From oldest to newest. Fermi >> Kepler >> Maxwell >> Pascal >> Turing Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours   A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) ID: 1962770 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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Stick this in your memory bank for Nvidia family architecture timeline. Thank you. This is a great help. :-) So, then, even though Mojave has been out for a month AND in the past week FINALLY my High Sierra gave me an initial Prompt to Update to Mojave, (because it detected my Metal Capable EVGA GTX-1050), NVIDIA has done NOTHING as far as Driver Support for Mac Users... SAD state of affairs! WOW Users are even commenting about NVIDIA's "Lack of Support" in Mojave. I've read at Blizzard's WOW Forum that people there are "Forcing" Older Drivers to work - using 387.10.10.10.40.105 in Mojave to keep their cards running. I'm NOT up on how to "Force" an Older Driver to work in a newer OS; but apparently this is NOT new. Apparently some of the older 378.x.x.x.x.x Drivers had issues for WOW Users in High Sierra, and they were forcing the Prior Driver(s) to work while NVIDIA 'fixed' the issues... Now it seems like we've just been abandoned by NVIDIA, as Mojave has been out since September and NO new Drivers... I don't even know IF they will make a Web Driver for the just released High Sierra Security Update 2018-002 that just hit yesterday. This is why I thought I should post here to see if 'MAYBE' I was missing something, or if someone else had knowledge beyond what I knew... Apparently, NOT... TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962773 · |
betreger   Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66
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If it an't broken don't fix it. New is often worse. Accept reality or seek help. ID: 1962775 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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If it an't broken don't fix it. New is often worse. Accept reality or seek help. Well, some of the more frustrated WOW Mac Users have turned to BootCamp and installing Win 7 Pro x64, or Win 10 Pro just to keep WOW going with their NVIDIA Cards. <<--- NOT a WOW Player, BUT, I keep up with that Forum to see where, (potentially), Blizzard 'MAY' be heading with other games like StarCraft:Remastered. Though Mac Support in general at Blizzard seems lacking. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962777 · |
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66
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I'm giving up on W10 pro it keeps breaking my mouse with it's forced security updates, I've totally opted out of the feature updates. Either I can get an old W7 pro HD working on it or it will be a Linux box. ID: 1962778 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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[Update for Mojave:] MacRumors Article on Lack of NVIDIA Drivers for Mojave. THIS SUCKS!!! Apple seems to be abandoning NVIDIA for AMD/ATI Cards with "Native" Support. Meanwhile, NVIDIA is blaming Apple for NOT approving Drivers submitted to them. Apple Users with NVIDIA Cards are SCREWED until this gets fixed - IF this gets fixed. :-( TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962909 · |
Gary Charpentier    Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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[Update for Mojave:] Perhaps because the Mac Pro has AMD cards? Nvidia must not have offered a big enough discount or the power consumption or heat was a bit too much for the picky ones. ID: 1962914 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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[Update for Mojave:] I don't think so... iBuildMacs EXCLUSIVELY uses the NVIDIA Cards for "Higher End Usage"... iBuildMacs offers True HDMI Ports on NVIDIA ONLY Cards, starting with the old GTX-680 and going up to the 1080TI. The HIGHEST ATI Card offered by iBuildMacs for the Mac Pro is the HD5870. AND, the Cards by iBuildMacs are Pre-Flashed with MacROM so the Mac Boot Screen shows up... Of course, outside of iBuildMacs, one MAY buy PC GPUs "Off the shelf" and IF one buys current ATI Cards, (WOW Users recommend the Sapphire Pulse), that ALL ATI Cards are now Native to MacOS. Though, I still haven't read anything about anyone using PC ATI Cards in Hackintosh OR in Mac Pros regarding the Boot Screen. I would still assume that the PC ATI Cards, (NOT being Flashed with MacROM), DO NOT show the Boot Screen, thus ONLY showing the Login Screen, or if Direct Login to Desktop - that the first screen shown would be the Desktop. iBuildMacs already has a Web Page set up for "Potential" Modifications to the upcoming Mac Pro 7,1 coming out next year. On that Web Page, iBuildMacs shows order options for the Turing Cards. So, there's still demand for NVIDIA by "Power Users" wanting Mac Pros. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962919 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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OH!!! AND, all the past NVIDIA Web Drivers that are Linked from TonyMacx86.com to Apple's DL Site have been removed by Apple. NOW, the TonyMac Links go to a different page, AND NO Web Drivers are available anymore to DL... (TonyMac has Links for High Sierra 10.13.6 - Web Driver 387.10.10.10.40.105 and going back all the way to El Capitan. ALL these Links are essentially DEAD as NO Drivers are available via Apple now.) I DID find all the old Drivers STILL available at InsanelyMac as they Host the Drivers directly at their Site instead of Linking to Apple. Yet, NOT even they have anything newer than 387.10.10.10.40.105 that can be Downloaded. NO Mojave Drivers... TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962922 · |
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Brent Norman Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 2786 Credit: 685,657,289 RAC: 835 
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First, Why would you upgrade the OS when you know the attached hardware isn't support? Just downgrade the OS and problem solved. Just like any OS, if you want the latest, get the hardware that is supported by it first! I'm sure if you contact Apple Support with your Authentic Apple ID number they would give you a link to the proper OS and driver for that system "as sold." But wait, you have a 'Hackintosh' so why the heck should they provide drivers for you or other 3rd party sites to link to and use there servers? They should get the rights to distribute the drivers themselves. ID: 1962931 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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First, Why would you upgrade the OS when you know the attached hardware isn't support? Just downgrade the OS and problem solved. Just like any OS, if you want the latest, get the hardware that is supported by it first! The Hackintosh DIED months ago! I'm on an AUTHENTIC Mac Pro 5,1 - Mid 2010 System! I've installed an EVGA GTX-1050 2GB GDDR5 VRAM Card that is Secondary to the ATI HD5770 that came WITH the System! AND, I have NOT yet Upgraded the OS to High Sierra - 2018-002 Security Update! (NO Driver YET!) TL [EDIT:] The Hackintosh was on a Mac Pro 3,1 Profile! [EDIT 2:] AND, the Hackintosh ONLY had EVGA GTX-750TI SC Cards! [EDIT 3:] ALSO, the Hackintosh WAS on an Intel Quad Core Extreme - QX9650 at 3GHz. The 5,1 is Dual Xeon 2.4GHz! TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962943 · |
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TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768
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It's getting to the point where it's only sensible to run a Hackintosh at SETI. The OpenCL Apps are about three times slower than the CUDA App, and you have to run a recent CUDA card to run the Special App. The last version of the CUDA Special App, the one that works with High Sierra, has some Conflict with the Web Driver which causes at least one GPU to start missing All pulses when running a monitor. You kinda can't run your machine without running a monitor. So, the only alternative is to run SETI on a machine that you don't use. Since most people use their Real Macs, it makes sense to run SETI on a Hackintosh sitting over in the corner with the screen turned Off. I recently moved my Real Mac's BOINC folder to a Hackintosh and now my Real Mac doesn't crunch anymore. It's a shame after working for years on an App the final product doesn't work on my machine. The only alternative is to run the older Special App zi3v in Sierra, unfortunately, the older App is quite a bit slower than the current one that works in Sierra and High Sierra. It would be nice to see how it works in Mojave, but, it appears we might have to wait until around 14.4 for new Web Drivers. It's nothing New, Pascal didn't work until Sierra 12.4, why should you expect Mojave to be different? Meanwhile, Sierra and High Sierra work with certain provisions. ID: 1962946 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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[Update for Mojave:] Scott, is iBuildMacs = Apple Computer Inc? Didn't think so. As to your old machine, Apple built it to run with the cards Apple sold when it was built. If it runs with anything else, you are the alpha tester. Apple is in the business to make money. If you want newer, buy newer. It is called planned obsolense and it drives Wall Street. Didn't I also see something that the mid 2010 Macs can't run Mojave, or was that just for the MacBooks? Would you expect a door handle for a 2019 model car to fit a 2010 model car? ID: 1962952 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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[Update for Mojave:] The Quote I've picked up from the WOW Users at the Blizzard WOW Forum states: "Mid-2010 Mac Pros and higher WILL run Mojave WITH a Metal Capable GPU." (Verified by Apple's Site for Mojave Capable Systems.) MacOS itself PROMPTED me to Upgrade to Mojave, IN FACT, I just noticed that in Applications, MacOS ALREADY Downloaded Mojave 10.14.0 to my Mac Pro 5,1! This is because of the Secondary EVGA GTX-1050 Card in the System currently crunching SETI. TL [EDIT:] I told MacOS High Sierra 10.13.6 to "Postpone" Upgrading to Mojave and over the past couple days the new High Sierra 10.13.6 Security Update 2018-002 came out. I've postponed this, too, because of the NVIDIA Driver issue. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962954 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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It's getting to the point where it's only sensible to run a Hackintosh at SETI. The OpenCL Apps are about three times slower than the CUDA App, and you have to run a recent CUDA card to run the Special App. The last version of the CUDA Special App, the one that works with High Sierra, has some Conflict with the Web Driver which causes at least one GPU to start missing All pulses when running a monitor. You kinda can't run your machine without running a monitor. So, the only alternative is to run SETI on a machine that you don't use. Since most people use their Real Macs, it makes sense to run SETI on a Hackintosh sitting over in the corner with the screen turned Off. I recently moved my Real Mac's BOINC folder to a Hackintosh and now my Real Mac doesn't crunch anymore. It's a shame after working for years on an App the final product doesn't work on my machine. The only alternative is to run the older Special App zi3v in Sierra, unfortunately, the older App is quite a bit slower than the current one that works in Sierra and High Sierra. TBar, Just found this Link through InsanelyMac: New NVIDIA Driver 387.10.10.15.15.108 - For HS Sec Upd 2018-002. I've Downloaded it myself, but am still holding off from Updating to Sec Upd 2018-002. A few Users at InsanelyMac are reporting Acceleration functions working again with this new Driver for Sec Upd 2018-002. However; this DOES NOT mean that OpenCL and/or CUDA will pick up and work for our needs. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1962955 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Scott, Remember cripple ware is "functional." Also remember Apple is a very "green" company. They don't like things that run on their computers to suck a lot of power. Look at the newer versions of Activity Monitor. They now have a power tab. As we all know BOINC isn't available for iPhones, because it is a high power drain application. The "green" company doesn't want to make compute engines. They don't make Xserve any more. They make consumer products. Now for my own issue, Apple updated webkit so it no longer functions with a security DVR that is at work. To log in I now have to boot back into Yosemite or earlier. Not a happy camper, but at least I had the foresight to partition a pocket drive with every several earlier O/S versions so I can. Oh, that power issue causes problems with BOINC. If you have a UPS and get a momentary hit OS/X will throttle the science threads, BOINC will then suspend them, the power comes back a 1/10 later, BOINC will tell them to run again, but OS/X will not remove the throttle until you wake the MAC! ID: 1962970 · |
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