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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
And how on God's green earth btw, can you get 65 Meg download speed from ADSL, when the max from the latestI think Bernie lives in an urban area with closely-spaced telephone exchanges. I'm in a semi-rural area, and I'm getting Downstream: 54.93 Mbps Upstream: 9.999 Mbps I'm probably ~3 miles from the exchange, but the UK has a technology called 'Fibre to the Cabinet' (that being optical fibre). That effectively moves the DSLAM out of the exchange and into the roadside connection point - in my case, about 0.3 miles away. That final leg is still some form of ADSL (using the same in-house filters as I've used since 2001), but the ISP-provided router isn't showing me the technical specification - those have gone out of fashion and been replaced by vague platitudes like 'Superfast' and 'Ultrafast'. Bah humbug. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I've just checked with my own ISP, and their line checker says that the fastest I can get is 38-40 Mbps. I'd best keep quiet about the almost-55 Mb, or they'll put my price up! |
Brent Norman Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 2786 Credit: 685,657,289 RAC: 835 |
I too am limited to a 5Mb/612k connection due to the 6km cable limit to the downtown exchange (just barely make that limit). It's ironic since the same companies Trans Canada fibre connection (T off main) to the city and Canadian Forces Base is located about 400 feet from where I'm sitting. And their cell tower for the area is on the opposite corner of our home quarter section of land. That 100Gb connection is so close I can smell it, but just out of reach. Well that is without paying for the fiber run ourselves ... |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
I'm on real "old-time", copper telephone line ADSL all the way, with my exchange/DSLAM several kilometers away.What a lot of people forget and most ISPs don't tell you, is that fibre is nice and all, but the lines inside the house are mostly all copper. If not the Ethernet cables from the modem to the computer, then the telephone wires from the exchange box in the street to your house. Only if you have a laser modulator/demodulator in your computer, do you have fibre all the way. And then the numbers they don't want you to know: Copper can reach 10GBit speeds. Fibre can reach 255Tbit speeds. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I haven't kept up to date with the copper standards since 100 MBit 'fast ethernet', but the rules then were: No cable run longer than 100 metres No more than two hubs/switches between endpoint users No more than 5 metres between hubs/switches Fortunately, my house is less than 205 metres in any dimension except the fourth, where it's about 160 years. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13727 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Reading the internet, the image problem with Internet Explorer is widely known and discussed, but Microsoft are showing no sign of curing it. They're pushing people to use Edge. Unfortunately, while it is very quick to load & display pages & their contents, everything else about it leaves a lot to be desired. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13727 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
What a lot of people forget and most ISPs don't tell you, is that fibre is nice and all, but the lines inside the house are mostly all copper. If not the Ethernet cables from the modem to the computer, then the telephone wires from the exchange box in the street to your house. I'm lucky enough that my NBN (National Broadband Network) connection is FTTP- Fibre to the Premises, the connection from the exchange to the NBN modem in my house is fibre, the connection from the modem to my router is Cat5E and 1GbE (Gigabit Ethernet). Unfortunately for various political reasons what was meant to have been FTTP for 95% or so of the population became rather corrupted. Now you're lucky if you will end up with what Richard has- FTTN (Fibre to the Node) where the fibre is run to mini roadside exchanges, and they connect to your house using ADSL or VDSL technology (the data rate Richard has makes me think they're using VDSL). Not much good if you've got crappy phone lines all the way to your house. The really unfortunate people get HFC- Hybrid Fibre-Coaxial which makes use of existing pay TV Coax cable runs. Fibre from the exchange to a roadside box that then connects to the Coax cable runs and those go the houses. Unfortunately HFC has something like a 15% + failure rate at present- it's reliability is exceptionally poor. It's rollout was suspended for a while, although it appears they think they've sorted it's issues out as they have re-commenced it's rollout. The other method for connecting people is wireless- Fibre to the wireless tower & then a 4G connection for the users. And the final method is Satellite (The less said the better). And then the numbers they don't want you to know: And of course those are data cables, not phone lines. The fact that phone lines are capable of 24Mb speeds over short distances is still pretty impressive given their original intended purpose (although with VDSL / VDSL2 / VDSL2+ apparently 100/ 200/ 300Mb/s is possible). Grant Darwin NT |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22188 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
While my desktop is wraping things nicely on my phone some posts just run on and on...... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
While my desktop is wraping things nicely on my phone some posts just run on and on......Could you give details, please, ideally with a screenshot? One of us needs to tell David about that. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22188 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I'll try.... Phone is a Samsung Galaxy A3. The wrapping issue is there in both "portrait" and "landscape modes - even the short line I posted earlier extends beyond the screen in landscape mode (portrait was always an issue, but is far worse now). Longer lines in the "test" thread can be two or three screens wide, and that is a real pain as I have to continuously swipe to read almost every message. Now using my laptop, which is wrapping "correctly", even when I reduce the window to "stupidly narrow". Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
We'll probably need to report the name of the browser / display app your Samsung uses. |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
No, those numbers are for phone lines. And that already in 2014!And then the numbers they don't want you to know: My ISP uses cable and I've had 200/20Mbit for a while now. Even had 250/25 for a bit, but adjusted my subscription and went back a bit in speed. Not that we notice that. Their fastest speed is 500Mbit, but later in the year they expect that to go further up to 800. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22188 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Browser describes itself as "Samsung browser", and I'm using whatever the defaults are for that, including font size. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I posted a screengrab from my Sony Xperia M2 (960 x 540) in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/2743#issuecomment-429895536 My Sony says: Screen Size 4.8 inches Resolution 540 x 960 pixels, 16:9 ratio (~229 ppi density) Rob's A3 seems to be Size (Main Display) 4.7" (120.4mm) Resolution (Main Display) 720 x 1280 (HD) (~ 312 ppi) |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
These posts about connection speeds from International users other than U.S. just reinforces the articles and studies that show the U.S to have the worst connection speeds in the world. I have a 18Mbs download/1 Mbs upload ADSL+ connection (15.5M/768K in actual tests) and that is the fastest available. My entire city is just copper pairs. Same for dozens of cities in any direction for 100 miles. Only the large metropolitan cities like San Francisco or Sacramento are beginning to get fiber to the home in new constructions. I am so envious. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22188 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Richard - the picture you posted is very similar to the sort of thing I see on my Samsung -- apart from mine (in landscape mode) not having the extra buttons.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
fiber to the home I've seen the Google people laying fiber in the streets here in Louisville, but I am curious how they get it to the home. I guess they trench the yards and run it up to the house? Then, I guess they use the home's existing copper, or maybe they will continue the run with fiber to your computer if you want? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
These posts about connection speeds from International users other than U.S. just reinforces the articles and studies that show the U.S to have the worst connection speeds in the world. I have a 18Mbs download/1 Mbs upload ADSL+ connection (15.5M/768K in actual tests) and that is the fastest available. My entire city is just copper pairs. Same for dozens of cities in any direction for 100 miles. Only the large metropolitan cities like San Francisco or Sacramento are beginning to get fiber to the home in new constructions. I am so envious. it's branching out, no longer solely restricted to huge tech cities. I live in a normal suburban part of Baltimore County (not city). Both myself and my parents have fiber connections. I pay for a full 1Gbit up and down connection (~980 Mbit max up, like 880 down or so, I've tested this and actually seen these speeds in real life use). I think my parents pay for a 150-200 connection, but they have TV service bundled in and i do not. my bill is only $80/month. I was previously on a 150Mbps service from Comcast, but they are stuck in the past and refuse to offer fast UPLOAD speeds, which is something i need since i host a Plex server and i want the ability to stream 1080p and 4k content over the internet to friends and family. in my area, I could get up to 2Gbit downloads, but there is absolutely no option for anything faster than 35 Mbit no matter what i pay, so i dumped them for Fios, saved money, and got the speeds i want. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
fiber to the home in my case, they had a hub installed on the telephone pole just a few hundred feet from my home. the installer just ran a long fiber connection from that, along the telephone pole wiring, and then down to my house. I'm not sure what the limit is, but i wasnt charged extra for it. ideally it wont hit copper until it gets to the ethernet port. or maybe your home coax if you install that way. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
From the construction details I gather from reading the posts on DSLReports.com fiber deployment, the fiber comes off the street to a ONT (Optical Network Terminal) located on the side of the house or inside the dwelling. That is where the fiber transitions to typically CAT5e cable to get to the ISP gateway device. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
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