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Message 1958547 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 12:11:11 UTC

Every task I've gotten on my Android device has gotten a computation error. Working fine for World Community Grid and Asteroids and Universe but not for SETI.

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Message 1958550 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 12:29:38 UTC - in response to Message 1958547.  
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It works on 801 tasks on my Ulefone with Android 7.1.1
SETI@home v8 8.01
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Message 1958555 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 12:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 1958550.  
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It works on 801 tasks on my Ulefone with Android 7.1.1
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Yes, I see that in your computer list... I dunno why SETI won't run when other projects will on my Android phone... I am fairly sure I have all the updates but I will double check those now. I only have 4 ARM processors not AArch64 Processor rev 4 (aarch64)
(8 processors) as you have on your device... my OS is currently as listed in the computer details - Android 3.18.31-perf-g0200b58 (Android 7.0)

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SETI works on like nearly anything I throw at it even an old 32bit netbook
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Message 1958568 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 13:29:25 UTC - in response to Message 1958555.  
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My Android is 4.4.22+
The funny thing is that the SETI server sees also an on board GPU
OpenCL GPU Mali-671 (4096 MB) driver 1.02 which is not used by SETI.
The Einstein@home server does not see it.
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Message 1958570 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 13:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 1958547.  

This thread may be useful... SETI@Home may not work with some Android 7 or higher devices. For some, letting tasks error out may eventually lead to tasks that work (slowly) but not always.
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Message 1958699 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 23:56:53 UTC - in response to Message 1958570.  

This thread may be useful... SETI@Home may not work with some Android 7 or higher devices. For some, letting tasks error out may eventually lead to tasks that work (slowly) but not always.


Yes good thread. Good info there. So I will now let it keep getting SETI@home tasks and see if it decides to use a different version like 8.01 instead. I didn't want to error out on a zillion tasks but it seems this is necessary so it knows it can't use that app version. Will know in a few days.
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Message 1958771 - Posted: 6 Oct 2018, 7:28:20 UTC

My 8 cores ARM64 has also an on board GPU. I wish somebody could write a SETI@home app that uses it.
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Message 1958795 - Posted: 6 Oct 2018, 9:43:05 UTC - in response to Message 1958771.  

I wish somebody could write a SETI@home app that uses it.
Writing isn't necessary. Just have someone port the OpenCL application to be able to use the Mali GPUs. They're already detected. And as far as I know, the base program for the Intel, Nvidia and AMD OpenCL apps are one and the same (although these are probably optimized for specific brand GPUs).

So it just needs porting to Android. Where you then probably have to problem that the API doesn't allow for using of the GPU, just as it now doesn't allow for using all foreground and background CPUs at the same time, without especially disabling the code that sets that.
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Message 1958809 - Posted: 6 Oct 2018, 11:49:07 UTC
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There is a recent "|Nature" article which says that scientists are discovering the use of GPU boards to speed scientific computing. It cites the example of the Summit supercomputer, number 1 on the top500 list with its 27000 GPU boards by nVidia. I think we at BOINC have been a kind of pioneers of this trend. I am using GPU boards in Einstein, SETI and GPUGRID.
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Message 1958817 - Posted: 6 Oct 2018, 13:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 1958570.  

This thread may be useful... SETI@Home may not work with some Android 7 or higher devices. For some, letting tasks error out may eventually lead to tasks that work (slowly) but not always.


I ended up buying an older phone to process Seti. (It doesn't have a phone #).

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Message 1959180 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 2:39:21 UTC - in response to Message 1958817.  

This thread may be useful... SETI@Home may not work with some Android 7 or higher devices. For some, letting tasks error out may eventually lead to tasks that work (slowly) but not always.


I ended up buying an older phone to process Seti. (It doesn't have a phone #).

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now that's a cool idea. works through the Wi-Fi is my guess. Great idea. But I would still like to get it working on my newer device.
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Message 1959181 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 2:41:04 UTC

Up to 112 errors as of this post. Still no new app being used like 8.01.
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Message 1959188 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 3:54:15 UTC

I am getting no more SETI@home tasks on my Android 7.1.1, only Einstein@home.
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Message 1959217 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 7:11:34 UTC - in response to Message 1958795.  

just as it now doesn't allow for using all foreground and background CPUs at the same time, without especially disabling the code that sets that.

So, finally, number of CPUs in device became same advertizing hype as number of megapixels on shit-optics cameras or number of gigabytes of device memoty already filled with preinstalled crap.
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Modern Android versions seems to actively resist to computaional load. On both my Digma phones (Android 6) I experience silent BOINC shut downs. They happen w/o any other phone activity.
Device just cools down so I understand that computations stopped again. Sometime it can continue for hours or even days, sometimes it stops very shortly after relaunching.
On relaunch BOINC says that "another instance detected" and refuses to start. Second attempt usually results in operational (for some time) BOINC client with working scientific (SETI) apps.
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Message 1959220 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 7:32:27 UTC

I am getting again SETI@home tasks on my Ulephone. They all complete and validate.
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Message 1959222 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 7:33:58 UTC - in response to Message 1959181.  

Up to 112 errors as of this post. Still no new app being used like 8.01.

v8.01 is a 64-bit application. Your ARMv7 CPU isn't 64-bit, it's a 32-bit CPU.
So your CPU ought to be able to run the armv6_* and armv7_* applications, but there's not guarantee it can. Some Android devices just cannot run these tasks.

I am running solely Android devices. My oldest phone, a Huawei G700 is coming up on its one year anniversary on the 17th and it still hasn't figured out which of the 12 applications is the fastest it can run with. It's got a 32bit CPU, Android 4.2.1, it runs the same applications your device is erring on, 24/7 all year round @ 2 KWh electricity a year.

So you probably want to find a project you can run on that device, I saw it did manage to run Universe@Home.
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Message 1959241 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 11:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 1959222.  

Up to 112 errors as of this post. Still no new app being used like 8.01.

v8.01 is a 64-bit application. Your ARMv7 CPU isn't 64-bit, it's a 32-bit CPU.
So your CPU ought to be able to run the armv6_* and armv7_* applications, but there's not guarantee it can. Some Android devices just cannot run these tasks.

I am running solely Android devices. My oldest phone, a Huawei G700 is coming up on its one year anniversary on the 17th and it still hasn't figured out which of the 12 applications is the fastest it can run with. It's got a 32bit CPU, Android 4.2.1, it runs the same applications your device is erring on, 24/7 all year round @ 2 KWh electricity a year.

So you probably want to find a project you can run on that device, I saw it did manage to run Universe@Home.


Yeah I'm figuring SETI@home isn't an option for it. I've had it running Universe@home, World Community Grid, and Asteroids@home so I will stick with those for now.

Was working on getting up to 2 million credits as my next goal, so I was running SETI@home on all my devices, losing one won't be devastating.
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