GTX is dead long live RTX !!

Message boards : Number crunching : GTX is dead long live RTX !!
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 . . . 12 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15184
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1951173 - Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 22:24:23 UTC
Last modified: 21 Aug 2018, 22:28:53 UTC

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/ says it's $799.- and if you want to bridge two or more together, you'll need to buy a special bridge device for an extra $79.-

The GeForce RTX NVLinkâ„¢ bridge connects two NVLink SLI-ready graphics cards with 50X the transfer bandwidth of previous technologies. This means you can count on super-smooth gameplay at maximum resolutions with ultimate visual fidelity in GeForce RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 graphics cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080-ti/ is only $1,199

260W power intake? And it may only become max 89C? Windows 10 requires April 2018 Update or newer.?
Btw, Turing chip: you think it can have an intelligent conversation with you? When it's hot, tell you it's hot?

Edit, quickly adding that missing 'g'.
ID: 1951173 · Report as offensive
Profile Cliff Harding
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 Aug 99
Posts: 1432
Credit: 110,967,840
RAC: 67
United States
Message 1951197 - Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 23:02:23 UTC

Having the advantage of being RETIRED, I allocated a block of time to watch the live GamesCom 2018 stream yesterday just to see the Nvidia announcements, and most of what is being speculated about RTX is true. The visual effects of what was being displayed with TRX being turned on/off, it'is selectable, anything but astonishment. It's like watching something with one eye close and the other barely open, then with both eyes fully open. Truly amazing and I'm watching all of this on a 1920 x 1080 monitor, image if I was watching all of this on a 4K screen. Jensen did say that they locked down the fps to 60 because of the screen they were display everything on. I would love to know how the Turing or the RTX aspects will affect SETI crunching, but I anyone has $1K for a RTX 2080 Ti, to give to an olde man to try, I will surely make a serious stab at it.

Here's a link to the live stream to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG2wVjQUr3c on You Tube. Unless you are really interested in watching the complete 6 hrs., forward to Jensen Huang 's keynote speech @ 1:26:26. ENJOY!!!

Watch out for the GPUs that they put together to use as a super computer for the deep learning for the end point GPUs. List price @ $68K for the whole beast. If I had the money I would grab it in a instant just to crunch SETI, regardless of how Turing or TRX affects crunching SETI. I'll worry about the electric bill later. I'll probably have to go solar to afford the juice.


I don't buy computers, I build them!!
ID: 1951197 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1951393 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 19:56:18 UTC

Interesting opinion piece at PC Perspective on Turing vs. Volta.
Turing vs Volta: Two Chips Enter. No One Dies.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1951393 · Report as offensive
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15184
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1951427 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 22:33:35 UTC

I've been looking at the Dutch prices on these. I doubt these are going to be bought by gamers, as they cannot afford one.
2080 between €879,- and €1049,-
2080 Ti between €1249,- and €1399,-

Absolutely ridiculous.
ID: 1951427 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1951439 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 23:32:19 UTC - in response to Message 1951427.  

The product that is launched as a RTX 2080Ti is the same product that would have launched as a Titan in previous generation product launches. Is the $1199 price outrageous for a Titan Xp in the Pascal launch? No, it isn't, it's right in line with previous pricing. Is the $699 price for the RTX2080 outrageous? No it isn't. It's $50 cheaper than the launch price of the GTX 1080 Pascal.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1951439 · Report as offensive
mmonnin
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 8 Jun 17
Posts: 58
Credit: 10,176,849
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1951445 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 0:06:11 UTC

GP102 or 1080Ti to TXp is 471 sq mm and 2080Ti is ~775 from a ruler measurement so $1k for the die size means Turing is a better deal than then 1080Ti. At that kind of die size NV is looking at just double digit usable chips per wafer.
ID: 1951445 · Report as offensive
Ian&Steve C.
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 Sep 99
Posts: 4267
Credit: 1,282,604,591
RAC: 6,640
United States
Message 1951446 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 0:10:29 UTC - in response to Message 1951439.  

The product that is launched as a RTX 2080Ti is the same product that would have launched as a Titan in previous generation product launches. Is the $1199 price outrageous for a Titan Xp in the Pascal launch? No, it isn't, it's right in line with previous pricing. Is the $699 price for the RTX2080 outrageous? No it isn't. It's $50 cheaper than the launch price of the GTX 1080 Pascal.


both the 1080 and the 1080ti had a launch price of $699 for the Founders Edition cards.
the 1080 base model had a retail MSRP of $549 (IE, all the cards released later than the initial FE cards)
the 1080ti had a base model retail MSRP of $699

you also have the launch price of the RTX 2080 incorrect. it is $799 now for FE cards, it will be $699 later presumably

the RTX 2080ti is $1199 now, but will be $999 for the later cards.
Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

ID: 1951446 · Report as offensive
Profile arkayn
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 May 99
Posts: 4438
Credit: 55,006,323
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1951457 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 0:49:25 UTC

I will be waiting for the 2060, just to see what they have in store for the middle of the pack model.

ID: 1951457 · Report as offensive
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1951487 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 3:50:10 UTC - in response to Message 1951439.  

The product that is launched as a RTX 2080Ti is the same product that would have launched as a Titan in previous generation product launches. Is the $1199 price outrageous for a Titan Xp in the Pascal launch? No, it isn't, it's right in line with previous pricing.

The RTX 2080Ti is the equivalent model to the GTX 1080TI. It might have the performance of a TitanXp, but the RTX Titan will have even better performance still when it is released.

Is the $699 price for the RTX2080 outrageous? No it isn't. It's $50 cheaper than the launch price of the GTX 1080 Pascal.

Ah, not so. It's $100 more.
Nvidia GeForce Model         XX70  XX80  XX80 Ti
GTX 10-Series Starting MSRP  $450  $600  $700
RTX 20-Series Starting MSRP  $500  $700  $1000
(Reference Design)
Increase over previous model $50   $100  $300

(Source)
If some of the latest noises about RTX card performance on current games titles are correct, the increase in performance is greater than the increase in price, but the prices are still outrageous.
As long there isn't some new Crypto fad in the mean time, i'm thinking by Feb/March of next year the pricing should be somewhat more reasonable.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1951487 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1951492 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 4:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1951487.  

OK, so my statement that the RTX 2080 is $50 cheaper than the GTX 1080 is wrong. I was just parroting the numbers from Jayztwocents YT video today. He said the 1080 launch price was $750.

Considering the huge die size of Turing, the cost would have to increase over Pascal simply because the yields off a wafer will be significantly less.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1951492 · Report as offensive
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1951500 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 5:37:57 UTC - in response to Message 1951492.  
Last modified: 23 Aug 2018, 5:49:17 UTC

Considering the huge die size of Turing, the cost would have to increase over Pascal simply because the yields off a wafer will be significantly less.

Yep- the large die size, and the use of the latest generation of VRAM (GDDR6) combined with the presently high price of any form of RAM have all contributed to the new record high price for a newly released video card.
But hopefully with more RAM production coming on line over the next few months, production of the new video cards ramping up, and continued improvement in die yields over time then come the end of the 1st quarter of next year the prices for the higher end and upwards models will have reduced from ridiculous back down to just plain painful.
*fingers crossed*


EDIT- just had a look at a couple of Australian suppliers.
GTX 1080Tis are presently going for the price of 2* GTX 1070s. No RTX cards listed yet (at least not at the places I've used).
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1951500 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1951503 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 6:32:27 UTC - in response to Message 1951500.  

I believe the end of the embargo is September 20th worldwide for sales. Seen reports that the usual retail channels are still unloading Pascal cards at very good prices in advance of Turing sales.

I still believe Pascal prices will fall further after Turing sales start to ramp up. Still unknown is if there is any use for Turing in crypto currency mining. I would hope that the current trend back to ASIC crypto mining continues and that mining does not cause the same effect we saw on Pascal.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1951503 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1952472 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 2:11:25 UTC

Every one needs to watch the latest Gamers Nexus YT video where Steve rips on the Tom's Hardware editor's article that "You should buy just it!"
Response to Tom's Hardware's Insane "Just Buy It" Post [RTX 2080]
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1952472 · Report as offensive
Al Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 3 Apr 99
Posts: 1682
Credit: 477,343,364
RAC: 482
United States
Message 1952636 - Posted: 29 Aug 2018, 1:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1952472.  

Found another interesting thread, from JayzTwoCents, giving what appears to be a reasonable explanation of the pricing structure of the new series of cards: People are MAD about NVIDIA RTX... and I think this is why

Not that it makes it much more palatable to pay that kind of money of course.. ;-) Or heaven forbid preordering it. Really like Gamers Nexus' take on Toms Hardwares Opinion Piece, although the article was revised recently to explain that it was both an opinion piece, as well as him taking the pro side of the pro/con pair of articles that they published regarding the new cards, because I'm pretty sure he took a Ton of heat about it.

ID: 1952636 · Report as offensive
Profile Tom M
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 28 Nov 02
Posts: 5124
Credit: 276,046,078
RAC: 462
Message 1952637 - Posted: 29 Aug 2018, 1:14:27 UTC

For what Seti/Boinc uses these cards for, do we know they are faster? Or are faster because of the higher CUDA Core count?

Tom
A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).
ID: 1952637 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1952642 - Posted: 29 Aug 2018, 1:29:13 UTC - in response to Message 1952637.  

For what Seti/Boinc uses these cards for, do we know they are faster? Or are faster because of the higher CUDA Core count?

Tom

We know absolutely nothing about the cards for the purpose and suitability what we do with graphics cards for Seti and distributed computing. All the hinted at performance specs in comparison to previous generation have been with gaming performances. We use almost none of the video hardware in graphics cards. So nothing rumored so far has given us any indication of the compute performance.

The only way we will know anything is once the actual released consumer product is in the hands of independent third party reviewers. The review we will be most interested in will be from AnandTech website. They are the only reviewer that benchmarks compute performance of graphics cards with several compute suites and also a Folding@Home performance test. That will indicate where Turing stands with respect to compute performance of previous generations.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1952642 · Report as offensive
Wedge009
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 3 Apr 99
Posts: 451
Credit: 431,396,357
RAC: 553
Australia
Message 1953824 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 11:43:30 UTC
Last modified: 5 Sep 2018, 11:46:09 UTC

Those benchmarks are better than nothing, but it's tricky when different GPUs perform differently under different workloads - that is, AMD and NV appear to have different advantages depending on the BOINC project/application.

As I understand it, the OpenCL applications used here won't have any use for those tensor and ray-tracing cores (at least not in its current state - would be interesting to see what heterogeneous processing can do). The higher CUDA core count of the top-end consumer units over the previous generation is likely to give a performance boost but probably not enough to justify the price premium (especially if it's only being used for GPGPU). Like Grant said, the Australian prices are way too unreasonable (and obviously due to lack of current competition in the graphics rendering space). I haven't seen Pascal generation prices go down yet either (they're still around the level they were just before the cryptocurrency demand-spike). I'm hoping Vega 64 continues its downward-trajectory as it is deemed 'equivalent' to GTX 1070 in graphics, though its GPGPU capabilities can exceed the GTX 1080 Ti, hence its ridiculous prices in the recent crypto madness.

Also, a reminder: TDP != power consumption. ;) Plus GPGPU workloads don't use the GPU in the same way as graphics rendering so the power consumption may be quite different (compared with typical graphics processing).
Soli Deo Gloria
ID: 1953824 · Report as offensive
Profile Tom M
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 28 Nov 02
Posts: 5124
Credit: 276,046,078
RAC: 462
Message 1953857 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 15:22:41 UTC

Long live GTX! Especially in the used card market :)


The price of a GTX 1080Ti is coming down,

coming down,

coming down.

I hope.
A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).
ID: 1953857 · Report as offensive
Profile Keith Myers Special Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 13161
Credit: 1,160,866,277
RAC: 1,873
United States
Message 1953860 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 15:33:54 UTC

Petri is able to crunch with his Titan V with its 80 CUDA SM's with his special app. The card only consumes about 140W at maximum when crunching. So pretty efficient with power and you get superior gpgpu processing power compared to Pascal. I would think that Turing is also some incremental improvement over Pascal when processing Seti with the special app. But Petri has said he is happy with his Titan V and is not looking to upgrade to Turing. So whether the special app is usable on Seti with Turing remains to be seen.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)
ID: 1953860 · Report as offensive
Profile Brent Norman Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 1 Dec 99
Posts: 2786
Credit: 685,657,289
RAC: 835
Canada
Message 1953863 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 15:59:42 UTC - in response to Message 1953860.  

Petri has said he is happy with his Titan V and is not looking to upgrade to Turing.
Yes, but those 3 - 1080 series cards are getting worn out by now :D
ID: 1953863 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 . . . 12 · Next

Message boards : Number crunching : GTX is dead long live RTX !!


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.