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Message 1949571 - Posted: 14 Aug 2018, 5:08:42 UTC

Do you feel safe with the basic structure of your country's government? I can only speak from my experience as a citizen of the U.S., that political party differences make things difficult, but I don't think those problems are insurmountable. Whether I love the current political party in power or not, I feel ok in the grand scheme of things.

Would you feel better if there was no organized government?

I don't really see how modern life could survive and progress without some sort of group leaders, but what do you think?
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Message 1951353 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 15:03:06 UTC - in response to Message 1949571.  

Do you feel safe with the basic structure of your country's government? I can only speak from my experience as a citizen of the U.S., that political party differences make things difficult, but I don't think those problems are insurmountable. Whether I love the current political party in power or not, I feel ok in the grand scheme of things.

Would you feel better if there was no organized government?

I don't really see how modern life could survive and progress without some sort of group leaders, but what do you think?

Sorry for the delay Gordon. I just noticed your Topic.

Do I feel safe regarding the basic structure of the USA's Government?

My belief is that although we must have some form of Representative Government. No power controlled by humans, should be considered benign nor incapable of evil.

Our present System of decentralized and limited government power. Was instituted by a remarkable group of people (yes, we were very lucky) who understood that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Having said that. I do understand that we have experienced much worse political problems in the past, and survived.

May that happen again.
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Message 1951408 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 21:10:19 UTC

I'm quite happy with the way our government here is structured Gordon, but then I do live in a country with a Social Democracy setup.

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Message 1951421 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 22:16:36 UTC

Any relationship from an individual all the way up to the top, I've always believed requires 3 things. Trust, Respect & Honesty. With just one of those breached, the relationship is in trouble. With any 2 or more, it's dead!
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Message 1951431 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 22:39:57 UTC
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Hi Gordon...

Since a Representative Capitalist Social Democracy/Social Welfare State is possibly the best we can hope for and attain.

We must still guard against centralizing power in the hands of imperfect and sometimes evil humans.

Since most Americans understand that Non Capitalist Economies have always lead to the destruction of The People. There is still hope for our future.

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Message 1951554 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 16:10:40 UTC

How can you trust a government that won't allow everyone to vote?
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Message 1951564 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 16:50:53 UTC - in response to Message 1951554.  
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How can you trust a government that won't allow everyone to vote?

What intelligent person would trust any Government?

Thanking, whatever Deity or Deities which may or may not exist. That the USA has never and hopefully never will. Follow much of the rest of the world in 'trusting' Leadership.

That is why we have separated our Nation into (now) 50 separate State Government's and the Federal component into three separate parts.
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Message 1951572 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 17:11:14 UTC - in response to Message 1951564.  

So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.
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Message 1951573 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 17:15:03 UTC - in response to Message 1951572.  
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So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.
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Message 1951599 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 18:33:59 UTC - in response to Message 1951573.  

So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.

Advocating anarchy! Got it!
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Message 1951602 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 18:36:11 UTC - in response to Message 1951599.  

So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.

Advocating anarchy! Got it!

Hi Gary...

I will take your post as a silly and unsuccessful attempt at humor :-D
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Message 1951628 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 19:43:52 UTC

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Message 1951656 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 20:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 1951602.  

So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.

Advocating anarchy! Got it!

Hi Gary...

I will take your post as a silly and unsuccessful attempt at humor :-D

Why do you say that, can you trust all of the elected officials in your city or county?
Or in the next county, what if the have radically different views as can happen at the borders of rural and urban areas.
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Message 1951682 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 22:37:09 UTC - in response to Message 1951656.  

So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.

Advocating anarchy! Got it!

Hi Gary...

I will take your post as a silly and unsuccessful attempt at humor :-D

Why do you say that, can you trust all of the elected officials in your city or county?
Or in the next county, what if the have radically different views as can happen at the borders of rural and urban areas.

Precisely. The anarchy he advocates may be very good for one person and very bad for another. Balance it out and you have government. If you have 51 governments, same problem, good for some, very bad for others, balance it and you have federal government, let people vote and you have a republic. Have a free press reporting news and corruption has no place to hide. Have FAUX news and corruption flourishes.

Or is the problem that he doesn't understand the opposite of government is anarchy? Would he trust anarchy?
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Message 1951693 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 23:57:37 UTC - in response to Message 1951656.  
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So Clyde, 51 governments that can't be trusted. Note that is 51 governments that don't allow everyone to vote.

Correct. No Government can be trusted.

That is why those who believe in Centralizing Government's Power over more and more and more, are their own worst enemy.

Advocating anarchy! Got it!

Hi Gary...

I will take your post as a silly and unsuccessful attempt at humor :-D

Why do you say that, can you trust all of the elected officials in your city or county?
Or in the next county, what if the have radically different views as can happen at the borders of rural and urban areas.

Since all humans are imperfect and some are evil.

Trusting those with Legal and Governmental Power over you...

It is them, for the good of all, which must be kept under a microscope.

"Power tends to corrupt, and..."

Do you disagree?
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Message 1952505 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 7:44:05 UTC

Trust...hmm...is it instantly applied or is it earned?

The pitfalls of trust broken/betrayed

Hmm... the CEO of the GMC...

Charlie Massey – Chief Executive

Charlie leads our senior management team who are responsible for what we do day-to-day.

He builds on the key reforms we've delivered, including:
•expanded medical education and training role
•revalidation
•language checks for doctors from Europe
•Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service.

Charlie joined us from his Director General role at the Department of Health England. Before that, Charlie was Director for Ageing Society and State Pensions at the Department for Work and Pensions.

He has also worked in a variety of roles across government and the wider public sector. During this time Charlie has led:
•improved funding of final salary pension schemes as Executive Director of the Pensions Regulator
•childcare and drugs reviews in the Prime Minister’s Strategy Unit
•work on Royal Mail and the future of the Post Office network at HM Treasury.
Can't see any medical degree amongst all that gumpf.
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Message 1953073 - Posted: 31 Aug 2018, 19:09:06 UTC - in response to Message 1952505.  

There is an important point in this bit:
"Dr Bawa-Garba said in her defence she had worked a 12-hour shift with no break and there was a lot of miscommunication in the ward."

Such a scenario is all too common.

As a research scientist in the hospital lab i get to go home at 5.30pm (much to my colleagues on the ward's envy!). After twelve hours of staring into microscopes i would be absolutely knackered, yet the most damage i could do would be to myself.
Were I a medical doctor, with other people's lives (sometimes literally) in my hands, the risks are much higher!

Charlie Massey is a manager, not a doctor, you don't need a medical degree to do what he does.
A functioning pair of ears to listen to concerns then (in an ideal world) act on those concerns is what's necessary.


Trust...hmm...is it instantly applied or is it earned?

The pitfalls of trust broken/betrayed

Hmm... the CEO of the GMC...

Charlie Massey – Chief Executive

Charlie leads our senior management team who are responsible for what we do day-to-day.

He builds on the key reforms we've delivered, including:
•expanded medical education and training role
•revalidation
•language checks for doctors from Europe
•Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service.

Charlie joined us from his Director General role at the Department of Health England. Before that, Charlie was Director for Ageing Society and State Pensions at the Department for Work and Pensions.

He has also worked in a variety of roles across government and the wider public sector. During this time Charlie has led:
•improved funding of final salary pension schemes as Executive Director of the Pensions Regulator
•childcare and drugs reviews in the Prime Minister’s Strategy Unit
•work on Royal Mail and the future of the Post Office network at HM Treasury.
Can't see any medical degree amongst all that gumpf.

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Message 1953087 - Posted: 31 Aug 2018, 19:44:59 UTC - in response to Message 1953073.  

There is an important point in this bit:
"Dr Bawa-Garba said in her defence she had worked a 12-hour shift with no break and there was a lot of miscommunication in the ward."

Such a scenario is all too common.

As a research scientist in the hospital lab i get to go home at 5.30pm (much to my colleagues on the ward's envy!). After twelve hours of staring into microscopes i would be absolutely knackered, yet the most damage i could do would be to myself.
Were I a medical doctor, with other people's lives (sometimes literally) in my hands, the risks are much higher!

Charlie Massey is a manager, not a doctor, you don't need a medical degree to do what he does.
A functioning pair of ears to listen to concerns then (in an ideal world) act on those concerns is what's necessary.
Very true. What is also important is what I've underlined.

The problem is that too many managers let their positions (read status) overcome their common sense.
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Message 1953088 - Posted: 31 Aug 2018, 19:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1953087.  

There is an important point in this bit:
"Dr Bawa-Garba said in her defence she had worked a 12-hour shift with no break and there was a lot of miscommunication in the ward."

Such a scenario is all too common.

As a research scientist in the hospital lab i get to go home at 5.30pm (much to my colleagues on the ward's envy!). After twelve hours of staring into microscopes i would be absolutely knackered, yet the most damage i could do would be to myself.
Were I a medical doctor, with other people's lives (sometimes literally) in my hands, the risks are much higher!

Charlie Massey is a manager, not a doctor, you don't need a medical degree to do what he does.
A functioning pair of ears to listen to concerns then (in an ideal world) act on those concerns is what's necessary.
Very true. What is also important is what I've underlined.

The problem is that too many managers let their positions (read status) overcome their common sense.

No arguments from me there.
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