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Message 1990141 - Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 13:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 1990126.  

I'd only booked it three weeks earlier, and departure was brought forward, not delayed - a trivial amount, and made no difference to my plans. But it didn't seem like a normal procedure.

I suspect they knew well in advance of officially announcing it that you wouldn't be on a 737-800. Of course it takes some time for them to work all changes through their schedule.

I wonder if the 737 MAX planes will ever fly passengers again. The damage to the brand seems more significant than Tyenol's. All it takes is one insurance company lawyer to say, will not cover. Anyone want to get on a de Havilland Comet?
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Message 1990142 - Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 13:43:01 UTC

Hmm, will those States that subsidise Boeing increase their subsidies so that Boeing can cover their losses?
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Message 1990143 - Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 1990141.  

I'd only booked it three weeks earlier, and departure was brought forward, not delayed - a trivial amount, and made no difference to my plans. But it didn't seem like a normal procedure.
I suspect they knew well in advance of officially announcing it that you wouldn't be on a 737-800. Of course it takes some time for them to work all changes through their schedule.

I wonder if the 737 MAX planes will ever fly passengers again. The damage to the brand seems more significant than Tyenol's. All it takes is one insurance company lawyer to say, will not cover. Anyone want to get on a de Havilland Comet?
The email announcing the change explicitly stated the same aircraft type (737-800) and the same seat number for the replacement timing - but then, they've probably got a seat 19A on most planes.
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Message 1990150 - Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:59:37 UTC

AA only have 24 B737MAX-8, but over 200 B737NG-800....
I've had a few flights rescheduled over the years, most of the time it's down to some minor change in ground handleing times or some change in permitted routing (unless it's PaddyAir, then it's them having run out of crew again).
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Message 1990891 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 2:39:37 UTC

This time Charleston built Dreamliner. From NYT Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
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Message 1990935 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 13:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 1990891.  

Interesting report. Numerous issues but the 2 that really stand out are:
While inspecting a plane being prepared for delivery, Mr. Clayton, the technician currently at the plant, recently found chewing gum holding together part of a door’s trim. “It was not a safety issue, but it’s not what you want to present to a customer,” he said.
At the same time, Boeing said it was eliminating about a hundred quality control positions in North Charleston.
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Message 1990938 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 13:40:51 UTC - in response to Message 1990891.  

This time Charleston built Dreamliner. From NYT Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

From the article:

Faulty parts have been installed in planes. Tools and metal shavings have routinely been left inside jets, often near electrical systems. Aircraft have taken test flights with debris in an engine and a tail, risking failure.

On several planes, John Barnett, a former quality manager who worked at Boeing for nearly three decades and retired in 2017, discovered clusters of metal slivers hanging over the wiring that commands the flight controls. If the sharp metal pieces — produced when fasteners were fitted into nuts — penetrate the wires, he said, it could be “catastrophic.”

Mr. Barnett, who filed a whistle-blower complaint with regulators, said he had repeatedly urged his bosses to remove the shavings. But they refused and moved him to another part of the plant.

Those responsible in Boeing should face criminal consequences.
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Message 1990944 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 13:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 1990938.  

Those responsible in Boeing should face criminal consequences.
Money talks, safety walks.
South Carolina doled out nearly $1 billion in tax incentives, including $33 million to train local workers. Boeing pledged to create 3,800 jobs.
A pledge is one thing, did they actually provide that number of jobs?
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Message 1990948 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:06:43 UTC - in response to Message 1990944.  
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Those responsible in Boeing should face criminal consequences.
Money talks, safety walks.
South Carolina doled out nearly $1 billion in tax incentives, including $33 million to train local workers. Boeing pledged to create 3,800 jobs.
A pledge is one thing, did they actually provide that number of jobs?

Since there are many innocent lives lost and Boeing is being continuously reported to the public.

The 'Money" would best be utilized in Defense Lawyers.
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Message 1990950 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:11:48 UTC - in response to Message 1990948.  

The 'Money" would best be utilized in Defense Lawyers.
Much better spent on "retaining" those 100's of Quality Control jobs don't you think?
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Message 1990952 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:14:30 UTC - in response to Message 1990950.  

The 'Money" would best be utilized in Defense Lawyers.
Much better spent on "retaining" those 100's of Quality Control jobs don't you think?

Why wouldn't I believe that?

You disagree with my post that those responsible in Boeing should be facing criminal charges?
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Message 1990956 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 1990952.  

Much better if, considering the actual industry being discussed, those from the top to the bottom did their jobs efficiently & professionally rather than "chase" the almighty $.
Had they done so, many would still be alive today & no need for defence lawyers don't you think?
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Message 1990959 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1990956.  

Much better if, considering the actual industry being discussed, those from the top to the bottom did their jobs efficiently & professionally rather than "chase" the almighty $.
Had they done so, many would still be alive today & no need for defence lawyers don't you think?

Question just answered in Message 1990952 and awaiting your response.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=82918&postid=1990952#1990952
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Message 1990962 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 1990959.  

Much better if, considering the actual industry being discussed, those from the top to the bottom did their jobs efficiently & professionally rather than "chase" the almighty $.
Had they done so, many would still be alive today & no need for defence lawyers don't you think?

Question just answered in Message 1990952 and awaiting your response.
By quoting my post, one would actually see that your question was answered then followed by a further question. In your "need" for constant repetition, you failed to comprehend yet again.
Answer highlighted just in case you fail to see it. :-)
BTW, cannot see where a disagreement with your post was mentioned, in fact those 3 highlighted words actually agree with you. :-)
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Message 1990963 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:43:41 UTC - in response to Message 1990962.  

Much better if, considering the actual industry being discussed, those from the top to the bottom did their jobs efficiently & professionally rather than "chase" the almighty $.
Had they done so, many would still be alive today & no need for defence lawyers don't you think?

Question just answered in Message 1990952 and awaiting your response.
By quoting my post, one would actually see that your question was answered then followed by a further question. In your "need" for constant repetition, you failed to comprehend yet again.
Answer highlighted just in case you fail to see it. :-)
BTW, cannot see where a disagreement with your post was mentioned, in fact those 3 highlighted words actually agree with you. :-)

I answered the question and you did not answer my question of why I wouldn't agree.

Your need to personally insult another poster is well known.
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Message 1990967 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 1990963.  

Your need to personally insult another poster is well known.

Insult
speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.

None seen in posts on this thread. What is seen is senseless repetition.
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Message 1990971 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 1990967.  

Your need to personally insult another poster is well known.

Insult
speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.

None seen in posts on this thread. What is seen is senseless repetition.

You can't stop :-D

Keep it up :-D

BTW: Enjoying the confirmation of my opinions.
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Message 1990975 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 14:58:42 UTC

But did not both Boeing and the airline companies who bought the 737 Max 8 deliberaly chosed to neglect the new optional anti-stall system in order to save some bucks?
Many pilots was not even aware of the system and certainly have not tried it in a flight simulator
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Message 1990980 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 16:18:16 UTC - in response to Message 1990956.  

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Message 1990982 - Posted: 21 Apr 2019, 16:28:46 UTC - in response to Message 1990975.  

But did not both Boeing and the airline companies who bought the 737 Max 8 deliberaly chosed to neglect the new optional anti-stall system in order to save some bucks?
Many pilots was not even aware of the system and certainly have not tried it in a flight simulator

It appears that the resulting investigation(s) may criminally implicate many, many more.
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